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- The_Ox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+111As Paul K posted on that site : "Are the camera stores going to start selling starter pistols? Will Amazon start suggesting things like "68% of buyers who purchased this [expensive camera here] also purchased [starter pistol here]"?"
- Sc00t, on 10/12/2007, -4/+88Guns are not illegal, and if you have them, you're suppose to check them and declare them just as this photographer did. I think MORE people should do this. There's not illegal about having a gun, and if everybody did this, they wouldn't have time to bother every person.
- anonymous6237, on 10/12/2007, -1/+78I fly at least twice a year and I always carry a handgun. Never once have a been interrogated or anything like that. You tell them you have a gun, you show them the gun, they lock the case and give you back your keys, you pick it up when you land. It's really very simple. There's no reason why you would go on a suspicious flyer list. There are hundreds of reasons as to why people would want to take a gun with them when they fly that aren't suspicious.
- wibblewibble, on 10/12/2007, -13/+56Tough, thats business. If they cant make money, shut up shop.
- mc7winkie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40Best title ever.
- wibblewibble, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28Sure it will, make sure you use a lock and case that cant be opened with bolt cutters and then you can scream your GUN CASE was TAMPERED with by the baggage handlers (who now are terrorsts in the public view after such a new item :) ), the news channels would love that.
- Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25I just finished a 7 week safari in Africa. My friend and I had our cameras in our carry-ons and his dad checked his rifles. The rifles got stuck in Athens and by the time we had made our way to Zimbabwe the rifles had gone back home.
I do have to admit we had been in Africa for a few weeks before the liquid bomb foolishness - omega1045, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24My wife and I were just talk about this. Between business and vacation, we have probably flown 100 times over the last 10 years combined. I have had my luggage lost once, she has had her luggage lost twice, and we both had our luggage lost on a trip together. It really does happen, and it is a huge pain when it does.
- Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29@ phenolholic: What a bizarre comment. I'm not sure if I should say thanks or tell you to ***** off. On any account I am now the proud owner of a new .375 H&H magnum, purchased for a fair price in Africa, with which I took a fine trophy Nyala and Bushbuck.
- Sp0rAdiC, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22because they're both retarded
- beelz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20http://www.starterpistol.com/
- bigdogg019, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16@atworksurfer:
Handguns are never illegal in any place. Its the means of transportation that is illegal. In some places like Chicago, it is illegal to carry a concealed firearm. If you are flying, you put the pistol in a locked case with no ammo in it, and you declare. All airports will allow you to do this. If you are driving in Chicago, you keep the gun locked in the case away from ammo, in the trunk of the car, and there will be no problem. - psylence, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Umm, patience, the sex toy guy told them it was a bomb. That tends to get you detained and charged.
- Pottersquash, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Once again, as the NRA has always claimed, GUNS ARE THE SOLUTION!!!
- XxN3RDC0R3xX, on 10/12/2007, -18/+33Er.. airlines are bankrupting themselves because they sell tickets so cheap..
They're basically sacrificing themselves for the customers. Making them pay for more things will just make the flying experience worse in the long run. - anonym41414, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Don't you get it? This guy WANTS close attention paid to his bag. Because the contents are valuable.
Clever way to game the system. - DMark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15patience: Starter pistols are on the list of things not allowed in the cabin, not an extra screening list. I have actually flown with a pistol in my checked bags a few times, even since 9/11. As long as you check with your airline before hand and submit the weapon for screening as they instruct and lock it with a non TSA approved lock it will go smoothly. For what it's worth I have even checked a pistol on a flight from Frankfurt Germany to Detroit MI. For that flight I just had to have forms pre approving the import of the pistol from the ATF.
- Shinta, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Or you could just tan up your skin and grow a brown beard. Then security will watch everything about you.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Trains: America's favorite way to travel... with weed.
- JoeLeo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Leave the gun. Take the canoli.
- john2kx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10just because you've been lucky in the past doesn't necessarily mean your luck will hold up.. but i'm glad it hasn't happened to you yet.. it's a huge inconvenience, and it's not like it should be that hard for the airline to keep track of luggage.
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Trains: we charge as much as airlines and get you there in about 10x the time! Hey, you can take your car too so you won't have to waste money renting for the low low price of $700!
What's not to like? - badantheugly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@thehoodie
I've never had my face sliced off by broken glass by having my head thrust through a car windscreen at high speed in a crash. Therefore I don't think I'll bother wearing a seatbelt.
Isn't that how your arguement works? WTF? - FlyboyP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Speaking from previous experience as a baggage handler for Delta at the busiest airport in the world (Atlanta), I can say that your baggage will NOT receive special treatment just because there is a gun, or anything else, in it. A bag is a bag, and where there are literally millions of them streaming through you don't have time to care about what's in them.
Luggage gets treated like bags of horse feed - thrown around and stacked high. It will fall off the belts, get run over by carts, stepped on, and generally abused. If you have a crappy lock it will bust open and your stuff will be all over the tarmac. And yes, there have been cases of theft from baggage, although I think this is very rare. I've never witnessed it.
I have however seen guys waving big pink dildoes around that fell out of some luggage. I've also seen a dog kennel fall off the ramp and the crazed animal taking off across the runway at full speed with his tongue hanging out. Also bags have gone to the wrong city because the tag was wrong or ripped off and there was nothing inside to indicate the destination.
If I were shipping something valuable that I couldn't carry on, I would be sure to either pack it extremely well and put my contact information inside in an unmistakable way, or I would forgo the airline and ship it to my destination UPS, insured. - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9If you declare that you have a weapon and you're flying to a country that doesn't allow people to carry them then I'm sure the airline would inform you and tell you that you couldn't take it.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I'm sure few will believe this but 9 times out of 10 one of our bags is lost on our return trips to Greensboro airport (NC). We always get them back the next day but we can't believe how common it is. It really makes the airline industry seem incompetent.
Nowadays, I am actually surprised when we make it home with all of our bags. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Try going from Hartford, Connecticut to Portland, Oregon on Amtrak sometime. Just try it.
- garyh84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9As much as airlines? Last time I checked (this is a few years ago, so it might be different now) an flight from KC to Washington DC was around $240 (thats for both ways) and a train from KC to Washington DC was around $700.
- ArmandoM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Why? People fly with guns checked and declared in their baggage all the time. (in the US anyway)
- keithwired, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7You guys are missing the entire point of this. His camera equipment got stolen because of how expensive it was and with the current TSA guidelines, you CANNOT lock your luggage when you have it screened or they will break the lock off if they want to search your bag if something slightly suspicious comes up on the x-ray that they want to take a closer look at. If you declare you have a weapon, you are forced to lock it with a non TSA approved lock that is bolt cutter resistant and greatly increases the chances of your stuff not being stolen. You are right, it probably won't get tracked any better then the rest of the luggage but you are now required to put a lock on it as opposed to before where they strictly reccomended that you did not put a lock on it. Please read the article and understand the arguement before babbling about stupid *****
- nrbelex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I wonder what extra attention they pay to a bag with a gun. Since the article clearly states that the bag/case can't have any markings indicating its contents, if the bag does somehow get lost, why is there any better a chance of it getting found? Do these bags get put in a special location on the plane? Are they grouped together? Somehow, it doesn't seem to me like the airlines have that much extra incentive to keep these bags from getting lost; the true goal is to keep them from being accesed by anyone in the cabin, which I would imagine isn't too hard.
- StatusQuoRules, on 10/12/2007, -19/+26Guns are illegal here. :(
- tallin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@bigdogg019:
Unless Chicago is different from the rest of Illinois, the part about driving with a gun away from the ammo is untrue. I live in Southern Illinois and, as long as you have what is deemed an approved case for transportation, you can keep a loaded magazine literally right next to the handgun. You are within the law as long as the loaded magazine is not actually in the gun. - stisaac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It will, because you're allowed (forced) to use a non-TSA approved lock that they can't open. So if you've got a pelican case with a good lock, pretty low chances of problems.
- toomuchpete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Which could happen to your bags no matter what.
In fact, your anecdote supports the article's assertion... your bag made it to its destination even when you didn't. - theRIAA, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7vegans are such nice people, unfortnatly, cpmcd2000 is just an *****
- Gorrondonuts, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Don't worry Bhima they pose no threat to you, they are too busy hugging their trees :-D
- tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That's pretty cool. And it's a great solution to an (almost) impossible problem.
- saralk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Trains are probably not a viable option in the US, but in the UK, trains are used a lot. Although, in the past, they were full of delays and the trains were crap, they are now getting a lot better. Virgin Trains now have plugs for laptops and mobile (cell) phones. They also have a bar in the middle of the train which is a nice touch.
Also, the new tilting trains are much faster Manchester - London in 2 hours, which by plane takes 1 hour fly time + check in + security checks. - Sixcolors, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Untortunately, trains in the US are horribly inconvinient. Last time I looked into taking a train from Florida to Tennessee, the only one available was very expensive and made stops in several other states over the course of several days. Then of course there's the whole, "I need to get to (insert name of foreign country)". Trains can't go everywhere, at least not the way they are now. Maybe super trains that can hover over water? That would be awesome. Just hope the fuel rods don't give out in the middle of the Atlantic.
- drag, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8""
They're basically sacrificing themselves for the customers. Making them pay for more things will just make the flying experience worse in the long run.
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Not realy. They are attempting to keep themselves relevent.
Beleive or not while some airlines are failing miserably and loosing money.. others are thriving. Yes, there are airlines that are making money and are entirely profitable. Of course the news doesn't talk much about those. They are undercutting the bloated major carriers and that's why those major carriers are losing business.
For instance regional carriers such as 'North West', 'SouthWest' and 'Jetblue' are making lots of money AND they are consistantly the most inexpensive airlines out there.
Go to Orbitz or Travelocity's websites and compare prices. Look at the prices for going on trips to Newyork or Chicago or something. For instance Delta consistantly charges much more per ticket then Northwest airlines.. but Delta is losing money and Northwest isn't.
The reason?
My guess is that it's probably because of a combination of entrentched labor 'biting the hand that feeds them' and very simply lousy management and bloated beuacracy. But there congress is willing to fork over large amounts of tax revenue to Delta to keep them in business.
In a capitalist system this sort of problem works it out on it's own.. old bloated companies go out of business and more nimble companies step in and take over. It's part of the natural evolution of the economy. But the airlines have enough political cloat to keep themselves afloat on other people's tax money. - montagg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's a clever way to use a bad general security to make individual security (or at least baggage handler dependability) better.
- dunning, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I work as a baggage handler for air canada jazz, and what gos on in the back may surprise some people. We do not carefully place your bags on carts and planes, we toss them, throw them, kick them, and sometimes stomp them so they fit in the pit. Your better off not labeling your bag as fragile as they sometimes get treated worse, and don't bother paying more to label your bags as priority because they all come off the plane on the same damn cart. You may be wondering why we treat bags like this and sometimes take things from them , its because it does not come back to us, the customer service agents deal with it. If we do get asked about it you blame it on whichever airport the bag came from or went to.
And don't put stuff on the outside of your bag. every time I see one of the rock climbing clips or a lanyard i take it off, or it gets broken off. Ive got quite a collection. - patience, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4DMark: Thanks for the clarification
- dunning, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I dont understand why people travel with there pets, it is truly frightening for them being moved around on belts and into the pit of a noisy 737. Ive seen a few dogs get out of there cages and run onto the tarmac which was not fun for us. One time someone had the wise idea of taking a cat out of its cage cuz it looked cute, it took off through the x-ray machine onto the belt into the terminal. We cornerd it and shoved it back in its cage, I dont think we ever told the owners about that. I would never travel with my pets unless it was absolutley neccissary, and I would have the animal sedated.
- perral1, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11"Try going from Hartford, Connecticut to Portland, Oregon on Amtrak sometime. Just try it."
How about: try going from New York to Hong Kong on a train....
@thescimitar: Trains can't be compared to airplanes, sorry...
-Perral1 - JVaux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4For international flights:
Airlines are responsible for loss, damage or destruction of your baggage to a maximum of 1000 Special Drawing Right (about $1500 US). This is from the moment they take your baggage until it's back in your hands. Even if it isn't their fault they're still responsible (with certain exceptions... ) In fact, if you can prove it was their fault, the $1500 limit doesn't apply. If your baggage is worth more than $1500, you simply need to state that at the time of check-in, and you're automatically covered for that amount - tho the airline has the right to add a service charge..
You might have to argue a bit with the airlines, maybe even take them to court. Normally you can just send them a copy of the Montreal Convention of 1999 (http://whitman.syr.edu/facstaff/pcihon/MontrealConvention1999.htm) and underline Chapter III, Article 17:2,3,4 and Article 22:2,5,6 - Sixcolors, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The key point is to declare the item is in your luggage. If you're declaring a weapon, there's little chance you intend to use said weapon on the plane. Besides, it's going to be packed into the underside of the plane. Not exactly the easiest place to get to from inside the cabin.
- Insert31990, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Way to play the system! Hoorah!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yay for connecticut residents! And seriously, trains are awful. It took my friend 24 hours to get form New Jersey to Hartford, CT via train, and it cost him an arm and a leg.
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