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- StatiK69, on 02/06/2008, -5/+190Normally, seeing the name Verizon makes me cringe... However in this case, I cringed less.
- protogenxl, on 02/06/2008, -5/+109FIOS FTW
- QuickeningYak, on 02/06/2008, -3/+88In other words, it will cost more to get Verizon to bend over than it did for AT&T.
- Vhaeos, on 02/06/2008, -2/+77Regardless of motive, I'm happy to be with an ISP that isn't going to filter.
- NYC83, on 02/06/2008, -4/+62they don't give a damn about customer privacy. it's all about cost and liability: "He said the company’s view combines a concern for the privacy of its customers with SELF INTEREST. It may be costly for it to get into the business of policing the traffic on its network. Indeed, phone companies have largely spent a century trying not to be liable for what people say over their lines."
- InfamousAtheist, on 02/06/2008, -0/+35Are you sure you don't mean Verizon Wireless?
Their wireless division is completely separate from the network provider side of things and has a hideous reputation with consumers. On the flip side, I know many people who love Verizon's cable and internet services. My choices are *****: AT&T or Comcrap... if FIOS were available I'd have signed up ASAP. - scrappyvintage, on 02/06/2008, -2/+28"That would violate customer privacy, it says, and would be expensive too."
Ray Liotta had a better line: "Business is bad? ***** you, pay me" --Goodfellas - typicalusername, on 02/06/2008, -2/+22It's all positioned for the time when Verizon comes in with FiOS to all the Comcrap areas. Mass service migration ftw!
- TheUngod, on 02/06/2008, -0/+19Seriously, does it matter why they're not invading your privacy? As long as they don't do it I'll go with them.
- FukUrCouch, on 02/06/2008, -0/+16Verizon knows people don't get FIOS to download websites faster....blocking 15mbps downloads would be bad for business....
- tehpwnerofn00bs, on 02/06/2008, -1/+15True, but it still works out in our favor. I think everyone is aware that they did not make this decision out of concern for the freedoms and opinions of their customers.
- shellybee, on 02/06/2008, -0/+14Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't part of being a "common carrier" that one doesn't check the content of the data carried through the network? That is, a telecom can't be sued for not stopping a crime, even if the planning for it happened over their network, because they're just the carrier.
If a company began to monitor for infringing content, shouldn't they then be held liable for the data that they allow over the network? That is, sure, AT&T might stop torrents or whatever, but then couldn't they be sued for allowing, say, child porn to travel over the network, since they're no longer a "common carrier"? - inactive, on 02/06/2008, -0/+13Comcast would go out of business within a week. That's why they bribe, err lobby local politicians...
- ivandir, on 02/06/2008, -1/+13VERIZON: Customers, customers need more customers please
CUSTOMERS: FIOS FAST FIOS, Privacy, Privacy, Internet
ATT: Monopoly, Monopoly, Sleep in bed with Gov.
What has changed? - fani, on 02/06/2008, -0/+11Actually, Verizon Fios isn't available everywhere, so its more like
"Verizon, here I wait for you..." - PimpinOnWelfare, on 02/06/2008, -0/+10I've had the 30/15 for over a year now and I've seeded terabytes of data with no speed degradation or any threatening letters from our favorite four letter companies. When I first signed up, I drilled the customer support line for answers on privacy and bandwidth and I got her into admitting that she was an avid pirate herself and hails verizon for not only keeping customer privacy at a record high but actually FIGHTING for their customers privacy!
- poppieprong, on 02/06/2008, -0/+10You are correct. Once a carrier begins monitoring the content, it loses its safe harbor protections and can technically begin to be liable for contributory infringement. For that reason, I cannot fathom why AT&T would agree to monitor its network.
- tigerjk, on 02/06/2008, -0/+9Verizon is laying down fiber optic cables in my town (Cherry Hill, NJ) as I type. When they are done...I will be switching everything (TV, phone, internet). Hurry up VZ!
- scrappyvintage, on 02/06/2008, -2/+11I wouldn't count on this being the case for very long.
- TheUngod, on 02/06/2008, -2/+11Good for verizon yes, but you're still a moron.
- norman619, on 02/06/2008, -1/+10I'm a very happy FiOS Internet customer. I used to have Comcast. I dumped them when it was apparent they were messing with torrent connections. No issues at all. I actually get faster torrent speeds than I ever got with Comcast since my switch. I'm even happier now with this bit of good news.
- nblsavage, on 02/06/2008, -0/+8You're not wrong. I don't know why you got dugg down. Altho the whole telecom immunity thing will probably make that issue moot.
- Shiftyeyedgoat, on 02/06/2008, -0/+7And this is why I'm sticking with VZW.
The iPhone is a beautiful thing, but being tethered to the mothership and having her watch over your every move is not appealing in the slightest. - agentVivid, on 02/06/2008, -1/+8good... it's about time someone starts making sense!
- PathDaemon, on 02/06/2008, -0/+6Don't get too antsy. It can be a year or two between when you see the trucks and when service actually becomes available.
- HarleyQuinn, on 02/06/2008, -0/+5It makes sense pure and simple.
What these Telco's and Cable companies (ISPs in general) need to do is start comparing themselves to something like "The Department of Transportation". They build the freaking ROADS. It is not the guy on the steamroller or the guy patching a pot-hole's job to chase down speeders or drug traffickers. xDOT does not care if you drive a blue Chevy or a semi-trailer loaded with weed.
ISP's please build the roads and tell RIAA, MPAA, and Goverment to piss off. You provide transport, nothing else. - ThE0eNiGmA, on 02/06/2008, -0/+4God damn it, I live in Deptford, NJ. Not that far from Cherry Hill, but they are taking their sweet time to lay the fiber down.
- SniperGX1, on 02/06/2008, -2/+6Full duplex fiber directly to your house is not better than comcast's half duplex coax to your house. I must ask... are you retarded?
- calibration, on 02/06/2008, -0/+4They already laid down their fiber, but they don't have service available in my area.
I've heard it can take 1 or 2 years. - rdoger6424, on 02/06/2008, -0/+4Verizon completely locks down its phones.
- norman619, on 02/06/2008, -1/+5Nope becasue the price difference wasn't enough for me to go through the pain of switching ISP's. The filtering crap changed all that.
- Firehed, on 02/06/2008, -0/+4You didn't switch the day FIOS became available? I pay a ton for 10/1Mbit Charter, and would pay considerably less for 15/2Mbit (at least) FIOS if it were available in my area.
- Firehed, on 02/06/2008, -0/+3For incoming? Yeah. They don't want you hosting servers. It works a bit differently when you're browsing web pages, as you initiated the outgoing connection on port 80.
Of course, you could always just have your router map incoming port 81 to local port 80 (or just change your server), so you can hit your.dynamic.address:81 and get the same thing. - sgtpppr, on 02/06/2008, -0/+3It's too late. AT&T already knows about your horseplay videos and they plan to use it against you when you next run for president! They'll put a chip in your brain and you'll be their Manchurian candidate. Was paying $500 to look trendy worth that? Was it??
- LANjackal, on 02/07/2008, -0/+3Of course, no one noticed he said that Verizon's also looking into tiered pricing. It's at the bottom of the article, quite conveniently.
- saranagati, on 02/06/2008, -0/+3wow thanks for reminding me about that line, i think i'm going to use it on my boss in a few minutes when i ask wtf happened to 1/3 of my check.
- inactive, on 02/06/2008, -0/+3How about I digg you down
- octophobic, on 02/07/2008, -0/+3Still waiting for FIOS TV in my area. (-_-)
- akkibaba, on 02/07/2008, -0/+3Verizon uses the CDMA standard, which does not use SIMs or anything of the sort. You can't just buy an unlocked phone and start using it.
- Louis11, on 02/06/2008, -1/+4wtf? HTTP?
- tgc1, on 02/06/2008, -0/+3AT&T is just more in bed with the gov than Verizon is.
- LuCiFer6, on 02/06/2008, -0/+3I'm noticing that AT&T is willing bend over for everyone. First the Government, then Apple and now the MPA.
- sw33tsarin, on 02/06/2008, -0/+2haha same here man, maple shade. I can't wait for them to complete everything.
- turkoftheplains, on 02/06/2008, -0/+2Cool, now if they could stop crippling handsets...
- GOVATENT, on 02/06/2008, -0/+2wow. This is a huge plus for Verizon. What have they been smoking. First they "opened" their system to other phones, now they make this decision. I am so switching over to FIOS when it hits my area. (Which as of now seems to be never :(
I have comcast right now :( its my only option. - digjam, on 02/06/2008, -0/+2I seriously doubt Verizon in this case.. .its a cash whore and there would be definitely something much more that just "privacy concerns" here... If verizon really did it for privacy sake ...I am much more delighted.. but I have my doubts..
- saranagati, on 02/07/2008, -0/+2he caved before i got a chance to use it
- Gabberwok, on 02/07/2008, -0/+2To be fair, pretty much every cellphone company sucks. However, it is clear that Verizon sucks less. The iPhone is a great device and the reason I switched from Verizon to AT&T, but the "fewest dropped calls" commercials that AT&T has are blatant false advertising. I had NEVER had a dropped call using Verizon, and was always able to place a phone call in a major metropolitan area as long as I wasn't a mile underground. With AT&T, calls are dropped left and right, and sometimes in the middle of Manhattan I can't get a signal. I personally feel the iPhone makes up for the difference, but there is no doubt that AT&T is at the moment much worse than Verizon. Kudos to you Verizon, but if you win the 700 MHz auction I will curse you again anyway.
- Strokemouth, on 02/06/2008, -0/+2He mentioned that they would need to look at that as a cost saving option assuming they go down the road of monitoring network traffic, meaning, that's not something they want to do.
- HouseofEl, on 02/06/2008, -0/+2Yeah, I think it has more to do with it being expensive rather than worrying about their customer's rights.
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