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- venir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+63This is unbelievable. All of our civil rights are slowly being taken away and it seems like people are just sitting idly by as we lose our liberties. The only terrorists I am worried about are the ones who have taken over our Government.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+55I am not a leftist, hippie. I voted for bush twice (lesser of two evils both times). However, I think there is good grounds to impeach him. He steps on numerous constitutional rights.
- Falldog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43This is when someone steps in and sues the federal government.
- rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29Yeah that's what all totalitarian govenments say--"don't be afraid of those secret rooms" or "don't be afraid of those secret camps" or "don't pay any attention to that man behind the curtain" or "it's all for your own good."
Umm correct me if I'm wrong but, free, open and democratic societies aren't supposed to have "secret rooms" that we aren't supposed to be afraid of. - MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28Furthermore, it's our tax dollars that fund all these fishing expeditions. Regardless of whether or not it's legal/constitutional, I don't want the government spending billions of dollars recording every our every phone call, reading Myspace profiles, cataloging IP addresses, logging bank transactions, and then compiling all of that info on the *chance that they might find some pattern that leads to some terrorists... someday... somewhere...
They say that it's making us safer, but if that's true, why haven't they caught anyone? If they're not catching, prosecuting, and convicting "evil-doers" on a daily basis, then what is the purpose of all these programs? They're just a waste of money.
The government's casting a very wide net hoping, without justification, to catch something. It's going to look especially bad for this administration when, after wasting billions of dollars violating the constitution, the next domestic terrorist attack happens anyway. When you cast a wide net, the little fish still get through. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27It's obvious AT&T fully opened there phone records and lines up to be tapped by the government without a warrant that is legally necessary. (It don't matter if you are the prez, you need to serve some time for this one buddy...)
They just want help so that folks don't leave them because AT&T didnt fight the privacy fight for their customers.
If you have AT&T, I would suggest you leave them and get another carrier. They dont care about your privacy, and it shows. - digduggler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Yeah, that's going real well...
- illynova, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24You mean like the EFF suing AT&T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepting_vs._AT%26T)?
- bugsy187, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23The government isn't going to open the record out of the kindness of their heart. We have to force them to do it.
I don't agree with your comment about transparency going both ways. Citizens like you and I have a right to privacy. Big business isn't a citizen and holds power over our lives. They should be transparent, especially when illegal activity has been caught. We have a right to know what they're up to. It's weird and creepy for big business and government to be collecting info. about us. They claim it's for "terrorism" or "protecting legitimate business interests." Give me a break. It's about concentrating power even more and once they have it they'll just use it in whatever arrogant fashion they choose. They'll leverage it to take a little more and crack down on dissidents or whatever. Hasn't that been the trend so far? - bugsy187, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26It's interesting you call Bush and Co. terrorists. They are and I agree with you. The term terrorism used to mean a government using fear and violence to control it's people. When the Reaganites came in office they connected the term to civilian militants fighting governments instead. There's something very hypocritical about this. On top of this many of the current Bush admin. are recycled Reaganites.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I don't mean this to be a troll or offensive in any way, but I must say for us in other countries (me in the UK, which I know is nearly as bad), we are constantly suprised by how draconian your government and it's agencies are, and how much your "land of the free" is nowhere near as free anymore.
I hope for all our sakes you get that freedom back, through civil rights, activism, legal action or whatever. There's common sense, there's anti-terrorism, there's patriotism (all well and good) and then there's taking the piss and I fear the US Gov is now in an advanced state of the latter.... - LucianSolaris, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Bush really wasn't the 'lesser' of the two evils. Bush and Kerry were the same people. Skull and Bones, CFR, controlled by the globalists and world bankers. Voting either would NOT have made a difference!
The Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin, the same management team.
I will admit, in the name of politics, i did support Bush on ONE SINGLE ISSUE:
his administrations support for the idea that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right.
Always figured that if a revolt is inevitable with both sides, pick the one that supports your right to own the tools for such a revolt. - DurangoSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Us.
- pr0t0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16
@Virmundi
Like Chris Rock, I tend to be conservative about some things, liberal about others. I voted for Gore and Kerry (lesser of two evils from my perspective). I'm curious (not trolling) as to whether you think Gore or Kerry would have been the better choice now, given the nature of hindsight. Do you feel GWB has helped or hurt the Republican Party, or has it changed your feelings about it. Finally, do you think this is the beginning of a shift in the GOP agenda? If so, do you fear that?
Again, not trolling. I'm just trying to understand the perspective of someone who's voted the republican ticket. This discussion probably belongs under the World section and not Tech-Security, but here we are. - interiot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Transparency and openness goes both ways. It's sort of inevitable that the government will use increasing amounts of information in their law enforcement and self-defense purposes. However, by the same token, they can't really be that secretive about their actions... the information will get out one way or the other.
- digduggler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Who watches the watchmen?
- jsusanka, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16good anything to get this crap out in the open and let more people know about is good
this spy crap really has to stop - meanwhile our borders are a joke but lets spy on citizens -
when I saw enemy of the state I thought it could never happen but I think we are there.
all in the name of terrorism
can't wait till the current regime is out - 2008 can't get her quick enough - then we don't have to listen to George W try to talk. - vistic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15"I just simply don't trust Kerry, wait I do, no I don't. Just kidding, he doesn't seem to have a moral or ethical compass."
And you think Bush and his fellow reactionist/totalitarian republicans have morals?
Why? Because they are willing to use gay marriage as a tool to manipulate people's bigotry to win elections? Because stem cell research is "murder"? Because one American life is equal to 1,000 brown-skinned foreigner lives?
These are the people who are consumed by greed, want to squash the poor people, create an economic elite, have disdain for science and education, don't care about helping others, will manipulate people's religious faith, have no moral qualms about killing thousand upon thousands of foreign civilian lives including children, yet will say stem cell research is murder, who cheat at elections, who think you should have no personal liberties or privacy, will sell out your American jobs overseas to increase corporate profits, and who try to conceal evidence of their crimes by any underhanded method necessary... I mean the list goes on and on and on and on....
They're corrupt.
I know Bush is trying to create the image that he is a good Christian and that he is "strong American moral values"... but that's all propaganda. If you think Jesus Christ would approve of the kind of people that Bush, et al are then I think you don't understand anything Jesus taught.
Moral compass, indeed. Ethics, indeed. - Lane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Geeze, its a bout time to secede again
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13And you know what I think pisses me off the most about all of this? The fact that AT&T doesn't address our obvious concerns. The government doesn't address our concerns. It's as though they don't hear us. I know I'd at least feel a little better hearing the blatant lies coming straight from the horse's mouth.
It just screams to me, "We own you, so what the hell are YOU going to do about it?" - JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Sorry... to busy watching these traceroutes... hey... they're all going through the same IP add-
*Transmission terminated. Connection reset by client.* - AwRy108, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Well said, man. Well said.
- rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Hell a lot of them cut their teeth in the Nixon administration--what does that tell you?
- drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Unfortunately you are one of the few who stays up to date on things there are people who voted for bush and those who didn't that still don't understand the problems associated with this sort of thing. They buy that national security line everytime its used. Its just as bad as using "remember 9/11" everytime people start asking questions that hurt.
- drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11The reality is that we have no clue if either party would be any better when it comes to this *****. Remember even though you shuffle the top cards of the deck every 4 years, theres still the reality that most everyone in the NSA, CIA, FBI are going to be the same people until they retire.
- wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11*AT&T commercial* "My company is in seventeen counties... and I can say delivered to the NSA, I mean secure in every one of them."
- wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12You know his press corps just cringes every time he opens his mouth.
example ~ "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."—Sept. 6, 2004, Poplar Bluff, Mo. - LucianSolaris, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15GET OFF THE PARTISAN HORSE!
It isn't just Bush, or Kerry, Republican, or Democrat. It is BOTH. Both are one in the same! They have slight differences but they have one thing in common up at the top, they are both controlled by a globalist elite who see no wrong in killing for more power. The politics in this country is a horse and pony show!
WAKE UP AMERICA! EACH TIME YOU VOTE FOR A MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATE TO A MAJOR PARTY, YOU ARE VOTING TO FURTHER RAPE YOUR LIVES, LIBERTIES, AND LIVELYHOODS! - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Kudos to Missouri for having some balls. States rights are our last line of defense.
- drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Except its worse then that because they control a lot of key bridges on the internet which means its not just about phones, they can easily give the NSA access to most US internet communications and its been said that they already have packet sniffers setup.
- rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13I'd rather be a smelly leftist hippy than admit I voted for Bush twice. Come on--voting for him once is almost forgiveable, but by the time the second chance came around you had to be blind deaf and stupid not to see this coming.
But at least you are starting to wake up. Need another cup of joe? - LucianSolaris, on 10/12/2007, -8/+159/11 was real in the sense that things got destroyed, but it was a fraud in that 'terrorists' in caves did it.
WTC 1, 2, and 7 were the first modern buildings to come down due to fire and in such a short timespan. No plane ever hit the pentagon (it was a missile), and United Flight 93 never 'crashed'. It unloaded in cleveland and was shot down over Penn.
The point of staging 9/11? Put us into a perpetual and unwinnable war on terrorism. As long as politics and humanity lives with each other, there will always be 'terrorism', be it from real terrorists or from governments purpetrating such attacks. This isn't Bush or Gore, this is higher. Think Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Comission, Bilderburg, Order of Death (Skull & Bones), World bankers, etc.
9/11 was a FRAUD, learn about it in this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1519312457137943386&q=Loose+Change+2 - roeboedog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Everyone keeps saying LEAVE AT&T. What if you live in an area where the only local phone service is AT&T, and worse they are the only broadband provider too.
How do you suppose I leave?
Those of us who live in small to medium towns are stuck with what we have. - bugsy187, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"The U.S. government, citing national security concerns, on Tuesday sued Missouri officials for demanding that AT&T Inc. (T.N: Quote, Profile, Research) disclose whether it gave customer data to the government's spying program."
AT&T probably did give up customer data to the spying program. Why else would the government sue? Sure, it's not proof, but the signs look strong. - frostcrow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7So the federal government is bought and paid for by ( Net Neutrality / NSA Spying / Corp Buyouts creating monopolies). Now the individual states seem to be going to bat for us at least some are anyway in regards to Net Neutrality and the NSA Spying.
I wonder if the politicians at the state level actually give a damn or if this is just their way of reminding the huge corporations that they need to donate a little more cash at the State level of the political process. - Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I hope that's true!
- seeSharp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I agree with Lewis Black about how we should select our next president: "When the winner of American Idol is selected, that person is immediately blind-folded and handed a dart that they throw at a large map of the United States. Wherever the dart lands is where we send the monkey. We take a monkey and strap a parachute to him, load him in an airplane and when the airplane is over the spot on the map where the dart landed, we shove the little ***** out of the plane. The first person's hand that the monkey grabs is the president!"
Go ahead, mod me down but it's worth a chuckle anyway... - p1mpjuice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@dead
Have you checked the ratings at all?
Last time I checked, the government was supposed to be for the PEOPLE, not the other 2/3 of the governement. It really _shouldn't_ matter what the rest of the government wants, unfortunately, this isn't the case anymore. - jschrab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It would appear that didn't fly:
Federal judge doesn't buy state secrets argument in NSA wiretap case
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060720-7316.html - kilofox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Digg needs a privacy section. The jest of the OP has very little to do the technical aspects of security and more to do with politics and privacy.
- FirefighterBlu3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5well .. if we had government v2.0 we wouldn't need digg v1.0 ^_^ things are only a conspiracy when there is no hard evidence.
- grendelwraith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You mean the tubes?
- JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://torpark.nfshost.com/
- optimus008, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6You are so right, everyone I know form other countries don't see the USA as they used to.
I my self have look at movie out of this country to the UK or Germany (my girlfriend want us to move to Croatia, that's where she is from, but what I would do there I don't know). - rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah like a lot of us even have a choice. Do you realize that a lot of their competitors are just reselling ATT's bandwidth? They own the pipes baby.
- elephantdog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@pr0t0 Owned by the same hand. Vote third party.
- elephantdog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Dugg for "silly goose". But yeah, you guys should just chill until after you're sent to the Gulags.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+81st, the hippie comment was just to deflect the automatic -diggs because I said something negative about Bush. I've heard those insults thrown at people with ideas different from Bush.
2nd, I still would have voted him in. I don't think Gore could have handled the pressure of the 9/11 attack. I just simply don't trust Kerry, wait I do, no I don't. Just kidding, he doesn't seem to have a moral or ethical compass.
As for hurting the Republican party, I think they've been doing that to themselves lately. Anti-flag bu ring, etc.
Those are my two-reply-cents. - Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4*****
- eggo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3nitpick; jest means"A frolicsome or frivolous mood: spoken in jest" the word you are looking for is gist "The central idea; the essence". Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine--I'm not a spelling Nazi I swear! I dugg your comment, because I agree we need a section for privacy issues.
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