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- iching, on 10/15/2007, -2/+57If this was a private individual doing this to you they would be considered a stalker
- 1laradream, on 10/10/2007, -4/+30"But new details about the information being retained suggest that the Government is monitoring the personal habits of travellers more closely than it has previously acknowledged, the report said." Terrorists? Yea, pull the other leg!
- praefectus, on 10/15/2007, -3/+26We are just getting warmed up.
nwo - D3koy, on 10/15/2007, -2/+24Books to carry with you when flying:
1984
Catcher in the Rye
Anarchists Cookbook - razorart, on 10/10/2007, -4/+24the Big Brother is watching...
seriously, the growing similarity with the book 1984 is scary, to say the least. - 11Heather, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20If it's you or me, it's criminal. If it's the Bush Administration, it's institutional and for our own good. Completely screwed up. Makes me not want to travel through the USA.
- TheBigBrother, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13I actually brought 1984 to the airport- i'm suprised I didn't get tasered
- Calculon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12whats the quote? "A person who gives up freedom for security deserves neither?"
- DirtySnachez, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13It's a criminal act for a regular citizen to employ questionable surveillence methods and document a list of activities or possessions of private people going about their private lives.
If you don't think so, Can you invite me over to your house ? - EXreaction, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9We can't let the terrorists take our freedom!
So give your freedoms up, then the terrorists can't take them! - dimebonics, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Agreed, the honeymoon is over and the sinking ship is going down fast.
- thecosmicpope, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11They collect this information for non-Americans coming into the US also by the way. Part of the form you fill out on the plane. I had problems getting into the States in 2006 because I didn't have the address of the hotel I would be staying at because I didn't know it (I was being picked up by a co-worker). Eventually got it when I had to borrow a phone and get the details. Needed a bunch of other information which I thought was unnecessary too.
- Aidenag, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Here is the Washingtonpost article this one is quoting that was submitted before this as well:
http://digg.com/politics/Homeland_Security_Data_Co ... - morpheus69, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12Why is it that whenever the media cover a story like this, they always frame it as "government protecting our security versus privacy advocates protecting our freedom." They always miss the real story. That is, that these automated systems simply do not and cannot possibly work, and are therefore a huge waste of money. Given the enormous number of travelers, and the extremely small number of "terrorists", the system would have to be impossibly accurate to catch the terrorists without generating huge numbers of false positives which would take far too much time and resources to investigate. I think Bruce Schneier did an analysis which showed that even if these systems were 99.99% accurate, they would still generate over 10,000 false positives for every correct match. Why are we wasting our money (and giving up our privacy) when we're not getting anything in return? That is the real story.
- noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9He's right, hasn't anyone had to fill out the little forms on the plane or hell been through customs on the other end. Some of these questions ALL governments (at least where I've travelled) will collect. Not to say it isn't a bit unsettling of late though.
- Dou6, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8What's it like living life as a total moron?
- superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Information wants to be free.
- StateTheObvious, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10This actually started happening in the 90s...not new
- Matthew720, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Most sane and smart people care because they don't want to be blackmailed by some maniac in power when that maniac pressures them to vote for him OR ELSE.
Most people care because they don’t want their lives and their freedoms taken away by some authoritarian goon.
Most people care because in Fascist Italy and in Soviet Russia people who read anything but government ‘issued’ books disappeared without a trace.
Most people care because when they do disappear it’s because the government WANTS to make sure of that.
If you’re so concerned about getting lost get a GPS receiver and spare us your nonsense. - specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7No, you disappear and they won't give a ***** about you, they will deny they ever had any record about you. But, if you look suspicious they'll ***** you out of your ass.
- ZiggityZhang, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Why would you be? Bushies are using it as an instruction manual. If they had their way you would be flying free for bringing it.
- mrmatchgame, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9*****, they know I read the U.S. Constitution while on the plane, I'm really going to jail now!!!
- Herolint, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7That's why I like to take reading material like books on how to build your own semi-automatic rifle, survival books, The Art of War, biographies of Mother Theresa, and the Bible. It confuses and disorients the data entry folks at the airport.
- Sil369, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5May I ask what kind of other information so future-to-be travelers can get an idea of what to expect?
- lithera, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6"Kill us...why you still can."
*pling*
Was that the sound of the dollar taking another small plunge?
We don't need to kill you, the U.S. is perfectly capable of a economic suicide itself.
We just sit, stare and wait and try to clean up the mess after it. - kd1s, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7If the government has looked at my library records and receipts for the books I've bought via Amazon and Borders I'm screwed. They're how shall we put this, just just mildly seditious, irreverent, and advocate the overthrow of the government as it exists now. Not only that but blog posts advocating for the secession of the northeast, changing the Constitution to exclude corporations from ANY rights, etc. would definitely get some interest.
Luckily I only fly domestically. - chsbrgr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5and while you're at it run up to the nearest thief and hand him your money before he has a chance to rob you.
- DirtySnachez, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5How does that book finish again ?
- DirtySnachez, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I'd rather not, but when they start saying that you cant fly because you checked-out 1984 from the library (for English class) and you're a suspiscious character, It'll be a tad too late. Oh wait, thats now.
- tonycomputerguy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+49/11 will not happen again, this ***** is retarded, sure they are out there, but they are not going to hijack a plane and fly it into a building again, thanks to Flight 93. We need to stop playing catchup and harassing our own citizens for no reason, we need to start talking about other ways they are going to attack us, instead we waste time and money collecting information on people who are just trying to live their ***** lives. Get your head out of your ass and stop living in fear, fear is just one of the many reasons why things have gotten so bad for this country, once you're afraid, you'll believe or support anything, and in that way, the terrorists have already won.
- nwoantibody, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6this must be reason #12453 for not travelling to the US...
yet... the ***** US dollar trumps all these unconveniences. who it really sucks to are the americans who get to live under these laws and get paid in paper toilet currency - Zarokima, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6What's it like living in that neat little box?
- strictnein, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4No, that's not the quote at all. Because it's very paraphrased and removes some very vital points.
From wikiquote:
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin - D3koy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4"He loved Big Brother." (Actually the last sentence)
/spoiler - Zarokima, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4He's "reeducated" and murdered (assassinated? Since he found out the truth?) feeling love for Big Brother. In other words, they tortured and brainwashed him so they could kill him without him being a martyr.
- jaxcs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3So much effort to monitor ordinary citizens. So little attention on actual terrorists.
- bizchris, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Wow, advocating for the secession of the northeast huh? We've been doing the same for the Pacific Northwest! Hey, want to get together?
- bizchris, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I brought my pocket copy of the Constitution (like Kucinich showed in the debates) - surprised I didn't get tasered either.
- jdaniel284, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Nah. Thanks for the offer, but I figure I'll just stick around and try and get a Libertarian elected.
- NikoKun, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Boy I'm glad I don't give them any of that information... lol Last time I traveled abroad, I didn't give them any excess of information, and they didn't know anything about my trip, other than the country I was going to. lol
- johnnick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You have to provide information about where you're staying in almost every country I've traveled to. That's not just a US thing.
- Matthew720, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Your response illustrates why parents need to monitor what their kids are doing online.
The only reasonable point you brought up was #4 and even then information that seems trivial to you can come back to haunt you when you apply for a loan or a government job. - Error601, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That's funny because they've never asked my any of that information. In fact the only time they asked me any questions was coming back into the country and then it was the basic, "where you coming from, where you going, and was the trip business or pleasure." Customs asks you more stuff about what your bringing back than immigration does.
- empirefalling, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Your government is rapidly turning against you. We warned you over and again that you would be subjected to such tactics. Will you now join the fight and renounce your current way of life and join the World Body in it’s struggle against your Fascist Government?
- Error601, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Sorry...the tax man has to get his money. That's the job of customs. The questions about who you are and where you're going is the job of immigration to make sure you're legally allowed into the country.
- marcgil, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4What else is new..
- Zarokima, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Don't let Bush find out about that or you're really screwed.
- 3Den, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2True, however.
In most countries, if I'm staying in "Downtown Yakville" I an just put "Downtown Yakville" or "The Marriott HOtel, downtow yakville"
When coming into the US, they will say "I don't care if your aunt is picking you up at the airport and taking you to her house. We need the *exact* address and phoen number, and if we find out you aren't staying there, we'll deport you for life".
And don't even think to mention "We're going on a road trip" or something like that, they will demand to know every place you are going to stay through the entire trip.
So no, it's not just a US thing, but so far only the US makes it a point to use to degrade and humiliate you while coming to spend your hard earned money on vacation. - madroneDorf, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Christian terrorist
doesn't sound that confusing -
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