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UK to monitor and record every phone call, web page & email
engadget.com — We're not sure if these plans will ever make it to reality, but the Telegraph is reporting that Britain's Home Office is working on database designed to store the details of every phone call, email, and web page accessed by British citizens in the previous year. The idea is to have various telecom providers hand over their records...
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- cashman57, on 05/21/2008, -22/+17It worked for "W"
- sockpuppets, on 05/21/2008, -3/+61˙ǝdʎʇ ı ƃuıɥʇʎɹǝʌǝ ʇdʎɹɔuǝ ı ʎɥʍ s,ʇɐɥʇ
- jptolife, on 05/21/2008, -3/+6 ˙ƃuıʎouɐ ʎɹǝʌ ƃuıʇʇǝƃ sı ʇɐɥʇ
- WELLDOITLIVE, on 05/21/2008, -4/+1¡sʇnu ʎǝʞɹnʇ
- Ganpachi, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Sorry, I was so used to reading upside down that by the time I got to your comment I dug it down by accident.
- flashback99, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6This will never work. If the data contains info on everyone, it will also include data on people who can access the data. It would create a culture of paranoia within government and between government and the people. Maybe we would all learn we are alike in many ways. Also, who cares what 70m people do. we know this already - it's called facebook.
- xaeon, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1You'll probably find that MPs will be exempt, for "national security."
- jptolife, on 05/21/2008, -3/+6 ˙ƃuıʎouɐ ʎɹǝʌ ƃuıʇʇǝƃ sı ʇɐɥʇ
- sockpuppets, on 05/21/2008, -3/+61˙ǝdʎʇ ı ƃuıɥʇʎɹǝʌǝ ʇdʎɹɔuǝ ı ʎɥʍ s,ʇɐɥʇ
- humanerror, on 05/21/2008, -12/+141Get on the ball, UK. We've had this in America for years.
- hiPpymIck, on 05/21/2008, -3/+18im worried UK & US will both just end up with the worst of each others security worlds
eg
youll import more of the idea of cctv surveillance
UK'll import more of the idea of internet snooping
i think those national security types are just egging each other on and - as theyve been flavor of the month since 9/11 - theyre actually getting whatever they ask for.. no matter how stupid or excessive the idea - astronomical, on 05/21/2008, -4/+2Really?
- widdershins, on 05/21/2008, -2/+13If this happens, I'm leaving the UK. Seriously.
- wellyuk, on 05/21/2008, -1/+13Have left already.
- MrLlama, on 05/21/2008, -8/+1Good, and take the Daily Mail with you since you obviously read it based on how paranoid you are.
- hempydave, on 05/21/2008, -3/+1The Daily Male suks
- wellyuk, on 05/22/2008, -0/+8Paranoid? Daily Mail? You really don't know me. It's because of the Daily Hate and it's nasty fascist readers that I've left the UK. The continued invasion of privacy and lackadaisical attitude by many UK residents on issues like this.. not just this but as a whole, are just a few reasons to stop me from changing my mind and coming back to the UK.
I was just getting fed up of living in a country full of people who are content bending over and taking whatever the government and corporations give them. I'm considering writing to the advertising standards authority and telling them that "Great" in Great Britain is most definitely false advertising.
- altf4me, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1I'm planning to leave next year. Wooo! :D
- jdepp, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6This is actually very clever lobbying on the part of the people who make and sell tape drives and storage arrays. "Let's lobby for legislation that requires everyone to keep oodles of largely pointless data forever."
- Chaos12, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Good point.
- djm101, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Apologies for the highjacking but a direct link to the article from the Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1990999/Hom ... - r3zonance, on 05/22/2008, -0/+5I wouldn't be too worried. Every government-funded database project here in the UK has failed miserably and been canned (only after going 300%+ over it's original budget).
- GrantTLC, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Our Govt is rather charming in the way its ambitions always seem to exceed their capabilities, and the way in which greed and politiking then destroy whatever's left.
Olympics, NHS Database...
I'd just rather not suffer ANY attempt to have our privacies eroded in such a manner, let alone a half-assed, expensive, badly managed one.- r3zonance, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3"I'd just rather not suffer ANY attempt to have our privacies eroded in such a manner, let alone a half-assed, expensive, badly managed one."
Me too, I was just pointing out that fact :D
- r3zonance, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3"I'd just rather not suffer ANY attempt to have our privacies eroded in such a manner, let alone a half-assed, expensive, badly managed one."
- GrantTLC, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Our Govt is rather charming in the way its ambitions always seem to exceed their capabilities, and the way in which greed and politiking then destroy whatever's left.
- billbert, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1that's cause americans just submit to everything.
you guys should try and get that undone...
- hiPpymIck, on 05/21/2008, -3/+18im worried UK & US will both just end up with the worst of each others security worlds
- JDenigma, on 05/21/2008, -9/+123It looks like the Brits now need to have "V" rise out of the ashes. We could also use some of that V spirit here in the states.
- Inthenameofmine, on 05/21/2008, -6/+1Already there ;)
- yayintertubes, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Oh yeah... with the avatar... on digg.. I see what you did there.
- yayintertubes, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Oh yeah... with the avatar... on digg.. I see what you did there.
- Feralvision, on 05/21/2008, -1/+10England prevails
- Shogi, on 05/21/2008, -4/+40I believe he goes by "Anonymous" these days.
- jongam, on 05/21/2008, -1/+13I respect what Anonymous is doing, but imagine if instead of focusing on Scientology they focused on our corrupt government.
- Mejogid, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5They'd get attention from people with actual power and a legal standing with which to prosecute the assorted members. Proxied hacking/bulletin board actives would undoubtedly continue, but real life appearances & media attention would disappear, and they'd just be another group of anti-government hackers (as if that doesn't already happen between governments).
That is, of course, if they even warranted that much attention. - shakbhaji, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1THAT would be epic justice.
- Mejogid, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5They'd get attention from people with actual power and a legal standing with which to prosecute the assorted members. Proxied hacking/bulletin board actives would undoubtedly continue, but real life appearances & media attention would disappear, and they'd just be another group of anti-government hackers (as if that doesn't already happen between governments).
- 4d669, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1I love big brother.
- jongam, on 05/21/2008, -1/+13I respect what Anonymous is doing, but imagine if instead of focusing on Scientology they focused on our corrupt government.
- blackjack75, on 05/21/2008, -0/+12I don't see how being invaded by alien lizards is going to help.
- WNW3, on 05/21/2008, -1/+7How could it hurt? Sure they eat people but the red jumpsuits are superfly!
- zerohex, on 05/21/2008, -2/+1If only I could Digg this comment more than once!
- Loornadune, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4Didn't V come out of ashes once already? Give the guy a break.
- evilesttoast, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6Bad time to have a ban on guns...
- hempydave, on 05/21/2008, -0/+8There's a good time?
- Stavrosian, on 05/22/2008, -2/+2Yeah...guns. That would help.
- Inthenameofmine, on 05/21/2008, -6/+1Already there ;)
- Beveridge89, on 05/21/2008, -21/+13If you take the time to click through the links to the original article, it's really not as bad as this makes out. The information is currently stored by Telecoms and ISPs, with the Home Office being required to obtain a court order to access it. Under the proposal, the information would be centralised, but the Home Office would still require a court order to access it. If the government is going to be able to be access it, something which is extremely useful in obtainind convictions not just in terrorist cases but other crimes as well, I'm not sure if I care under which system it is done.
- drkeclpse, on 05/21/2008, -3/+17It's the fact the information is stored anywhere at all that's the problem, not who technically should have access to it and under what conditions blah blah blah. If you honestly believe a government willing to monitor their citizens in this way will abide by its own rules and not simply go into such a database for ***** and giggles, you're sadly mistaken. It's sad to say but I imagine that there won't be the big uproar there should be over this, and I don't imagine the U.S. is too far behind.
- SilverBlade2k, on 05/21/2008, -1/+14Tracking and monitoring EVERYTHING removes our freedom of privacy. It is only *my* business of who I call, what site I go to, and what is in my e-mails. No one else's
1984, anyone?- MrLlama, on 05/22/2008, -2/+2It still is your own business. While such information may be collected, nobody is going to personally check what sites you visit or what emails you send. No physical person will specifically care or read about one person's useless information in a country containing millions of people, that would be a complete waste of resources employing millions of people to personally monitor your surfing/email habits when 99.9% of people are not comitting significant, arrestable crimes.
Why not think about the REALISTIC way that a database storing this type of info will be benefitially used, instead of making up some stupid worst case scenario drivel that won't happen.
- MrLlama, on 05/22/2008, -2/+2It still is your own business. While such information may be collected, nobody is going to personally check what sites you visit or what emails you send. No physical person will specifically care or read about one person's useless information in a country containing millions of people, that would be a complete waste of resources employing millions of people to personally monitor your surfing/email habits when 99.9% of people are not comitting significant, arrestable crimes.
- JohnP, on 05/21/2008, -0/+7LOL, you wont get anywhere with facts mate. Substitute hyperbole with fact and this article wouldnt have gone past 10 diggs.
Its a stupid idea in my eyes, why use taxpayers money to do the job of the telecommunications companies? They should (and are) be obligated to keep records on hand. Im more than sure this is the fatal flaw that will kill this idea within months.- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/21/2008, -2/+4Once you make it automatically available -- then who would keep track of accesses of the data?
No, once you create the ABILITY for government to do this -- despite the guarantees to the contrary -- it WILL be abused.- JohnP, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2You are right, it just opens up the risk of abuse. Its a ***** idea and it will never be made.
It wont be shot down on one single reason, but consider the security implications and and needless cost and you can bet that this is someones wet dream. Probably someone who wants to do a LOT less paperwork and doesnt give a ***** how they go about it.
- JohnP, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2You are right, it just opens up the risk of abuse. Its a ***** idea and it will never be made.
- Beveridge89, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3Yeah, I think thats the best argument against it; it does seem a rather pointless waste of money. Just gets annoying to hear people scream fascism over this, which at most will amount to a bureaucratic mess if it passes.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/21/2008, -2/+4Once you make it automatically available -- then who would keep track of accesses of the data?
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/21/2008, -2/+7Once you make it automatically available -- then who would keep track of accesses of the data?
No, once you create the ABILITY for government to do this -- despite the guarantees to the contrary -- it WILL be abused.- Beveridge89, on 05/22/2008, -1/+3You have no idea what the checks and balances for the new system would be. For all you or I know, this will it make it more difficult to access. Don't pretend you know.
- QGYH2, on 05/21/2008, -1/+70I'm sure Google can help with the logistics..
- MellerTime, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1I was just thinking that this would be a great usage of the Google BigTable infrastructure.
- xaeon, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1No, they'll get iSoft to do it... again. And they'll screw it up... again.
- dsmx, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1The moment the government realise how much money it will cost in storage to institute this plan it will be quickly dropped, you would need a budget of billions to do something like this and the treasury will throw a fit if you request that.
- nemock, on 05/21/2008, -2/+37I thought this was called "echelon" and it was deployed decades ago...
- borez, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4echelon is a keyword, non data harvesting monitoring system.
- spudnic, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
- JimJD, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Well kind of.
The new version is called R.E.M.F. .- borez, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1R.E.M.F??
- MellerTime, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Isn't it also only phone calls, while this is much more?
/ didn't read the wikipedia entry
- TheColonel, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2JC Denton already destroyed that..
- GrantTLC, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1And this will be one they can admit to.
- borez, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4echelon is a keyword, non data harvesting monitoring system.
- BigManOnCampus, on 05/21/2008, -5/+89Obligatory:
Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...- eigenweasel, on 05/21/2008, -1/+12The last honest man to enter the Houses of Parliament.
- xtinamo, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6I guess fear has gotten the best of us.
- hempydave, on 05/21/2008, -4/+1Between MANBEARPIG and PEDO BEAR. I'm very afraid.
- sap959, on 06/05/2008, -0/+1pedo bear :|
- hempydave, on 05/21/2008, -4/+1Between MANBEARPIG and PEDO BEAR. I'm very afraid.
- kevdotbadger, on 05/21/2008, -1/+40Awesome! I hope they fall for my meatspin trick links i post to all my friends via email.
- Dumbledorito, on 05/21/2008, -1/+23There could be an up side to this. If the NSA, while spying on me, could tell me where I put stuff I've misplaced, it wouldn't seem so bad. Similarly, if the government would filter all the stock and medication spam I get and hang up on the unsolicted sales/charity calls that annoy me, I might tolerate them reading the e-mails I get forwarded by ancient relatives.
(for those who think I'm serious, please envision a flashing "SARCASM" sign above this post)- uziko, on 05/21/2008, -2/+6i almost prematurely dugg you down
- 4d669, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Your comments are similar to Colbert's "Enjoy the Police State" thing.
- borez, on 05/21/2008, -2/+44Considering the British governments past record with losing data, I can't see this ever happening and, to be honest, the ISP's and human rights lawyers will put up such a fight that it won't be worth it.
We've put up with a lot of surveillance ***** in the UK over the last ten years, but this is just a little too Orwellian for it to be considered properly.
Never say never though- groumpf, on 05/21/2008, -0/+7Yeah, but considering the British government's past record with dropping diskfulls of confidential files in public places, I can see this becoming a problem when it happens.
- skyroket, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4I don't understand how this is any more Orwellian than recording every street corner in London. Isn't that what you guys have in place right now?
- AgentVladimir, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9Yeah but we have special electronic counter-measures called H.O.O.D.S.
- borez, on 05/21/2008, -0/+8The cameras may monitor me, but they don't gather any of my personal data
- xaeon, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3This is the mistake people make when talking about the big brother society. Being recorded in a public place: no problem. Recording, monitoring and storing my personal communications that are completely outside of the public domain: that's not okay.
- CharlesDance, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10I don't mind CCTV, all it can see and hear is anything anybody could, it doesn't violate any privacy rights and hasn't tried to infiltrate my life or change my political affiliations in any way and has came to the aid of friends more than a few times. What people don't mention when they bring up stats on CCTV is that the majority are put up by private business owners to stop people stealing kebabs.
As far as internet monitoring goes, i tell people i watch horse porn anyway. - Herostratos, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1This is not due to the UK government, it is due to the new EU telecommunications data retention directive. It will be implemented in all of the EU, almost without any debate in the parliaments of the afflicted countries.
- r3zonance, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1"It will be implemented in all of the EU"
Most likely with the exception of France, as they don't like applying EU laws for some reason, and opt out of everything anyway (and somehow still manage to force everyone else to implement it).
- r3zonance, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1"It will be implemented in all of the EU"
- wynja, on 05/21/2008, -2/+39Because Britain is not to be outdone by Communist China for surveillance on it's citizenry.
- blackjack75, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2"And now we are again at war. This war has taken on dimensions of such magnitude that one may well say that *countryname* has never been involved in a greater struggle than this one. There are two fronts we have before us: the external front and the front at home. The task of the external front through all these years has been, and until the final victory will remain that of protecting the homeland and winning this victory."
That is, I believe, a quote from the official annoucement:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1942/420520a.htm ... - jcannonb, on 05/21/2008, -0/+16For your computer lets do TrueCrypt and use a OTR chat program like Adium for Mac, or Pidgin for Linux/Windows. Keep your stuff to yourself. Do everything encrypted.
- EuphoricAgony, on 05/21/2008, -2/+11Too slow. Only encrypt what needs to be encrypted. The government wants to look at my e-mails about Midget sex and string theory, let them.
- SPECOPS, on 05/21/2008, -5/+3Too slow? Maybe for a 90s machine - but, funny how you are so open of your midget sex and string theory, but I bet you'd not be open to other aspects of your life - give in to one, you might as well give in and let them do anything - its people like you who don't stand up for basics, that make us all lose everything - sure I don't have anything to hide either, but then again, they don't have any legal reason to look either - if they did, they can get a warrant, with a good non-bribed judge, each time they gather this info, will be for a good reason.
- Stavrosian, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3Are we talking about midget sex and string theory within the same email, or in separate emails?
- randumbusername, on 05/21/2008, -3/+1if gov't outlaws encryption tools what's your next play??
how about fighting for independence and dignity instead..........who am i kidding. seeing as how people are either dependent on government or want to be dependent on government for something i don't see a fight taking place......use TrueCrypt. - theright, on 05/22/2008, -1/+4@randumbusername:
I know this is going to fuel your little paranoid fantasies, but encryption is already "outlaw[ed]" to a certain extent. Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (2000), in the interests of national security, preventing or detecting crime, or the economic well-being of the United Kingdom, you can be required to give up encryption keys.
Failure to disclose encryption keys under Section 49 can result in a fine or a prison sentence of up to two years. - GrantTLC, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1And even if it weren't technically against the law, it'd be hard to implement among the less technically-minded masses.
- EuphoricAgony, on 05/21/2008, -2/+11Too slow. Only encrypt what needs to be encrypted. The government wants to look at my e-mails about Midget sex and string theory, let them.
- angusm, on 05/21/2008, -1/+75It's stuff like this that makes me wonder about representative democracy. You can be sure that no one in Britain phoned up their MP and said "I'm really worried about crime and terrorism. Could you please start recording all our phone calls and logging everything we do on the Internet? And sprinkle about a gazillion surveillance cameras over every built-up area with a population of more than 100. I realize that it'll cost a lot, but perhaps you could use the money you were planning to spend on schools and hospitals. Lord knows, we don't have any use for them. Oh, and please be sure that you log every single web page ever visited by anyone - that'll make me feel so much safer. kthxbai."
When a government does something like this, it's not about what we want, it's about what they want. And once the wheels are in motion, it's an uphill struggle to organize enough people to lobby enough of their representatives to get them to vote against the proposal (and against the wishes of whichever of their campaign donors has a vested interest in selling the technology to the government). In the case of any US administration, they'll probably go ahead and do it anyway.
When did democracy become a constant battle to opt-out of whatever insane violation of our basic rights our so-called representatives have decided we need this week? And why do we stand for it?- maxmccabe, on 05/21/2008, -2/+5In a representative democracy, the electorate elect representatives to make judgements on issues, coming to conclusions which they believe do the best for the citizens of that country. Not to impliment their exact wishes such as them phoning an MP. That would be direct democracy, or through electing delegates.
So this is repesentative democracy..however, i dont think everyone will agree that the best representatives have been chosen.- angusm, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2I understand how representative democracy works. My post was intended to question whether our representatives are still acting in our interests, or whether their agendas are diverging more and more from the priorities and wishes of the electorate.
There's a slippery slope that starts when our representatives decide that "they know what's best for us". It gets steeper when they start taking steps to ensure that we can't interfere with their grand vision of what's good for us. And the slope becomes perpendicular when the electorate is too apathetic, ill-informed or intimidated to do anything to set them straight.
- angusm, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2I understand how representative democracy works. My post was intended to question whether our representatives are still acting in our interests, or whether their agendas are diverging more and more from the priorities and wishes of the electorate.
- uziko, on 05/21/2008, -4/+7You kind are right, bot not really.
I don't think the problem is a representative democracy itself. I think the problem is the people that vote in the representative democracy. A representative democracy would work if the right people were voted in. And if those people went against what we want we voted them out. And don't mean waiting for their term to end, i mean vote them out that week.
Example:
1.Look at the kind of people that in office right now. How do you think they got there? That's right WE voted for them.
2. Look at who is going into power this election. Obama. The guy ***** VOTED FOR THE PATRIOT ACT.
And you people are practically wanting to suck his dick.
The reality is that we can't blame the representative government. The blame lies in the pathetic people that vote in the representative government.
It's absolutely pathetic that someone like ron paul didn't even have a chance. And a scumbag like obama is getting his dick sucked by every liberal in america.
- maxmccabe, on 05/21/2008, -2/+5In a representative democracy, the electorate elect representatives to make judgements on issues, coming to conclusions which they believe do the best for the citizens of that country. Not to impliment their exact wishes such as them phoning an MP. That would be direct democracy, or through electing delegates.
- Disregard, on 05/21/2008, -1/+11It's reassuring to know that our government is too utterly inept to pull off it's worst 1984 fantasies.
- Papajohn56, on 05/21/2008, -9/+69╔╗╦╔╔╗
║╦║╠║║
╚╝║║╚╝ - Camelrie, on 05/21/2008, -6/+10Welcome to George Orwell's 1984 :|
I don't want to get vaporised :(- drewpost, on 05/21/2008, -1/+18Funny thing - I was over by Orwell's house in Notting Hill the other day and I saw no less than 8 CCTV cameras within view of his front door. Thought that was rather ironic
- 4d669, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Maybe you should run towards the cameras and throw a hammer at them with some retro shorts and a weird hair cut.
- hiPpymIck, on 05/21/2008, -3/+10"It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. Winston Smith, his chin nuzzled into his breast in an effort to escape the vile wind, slipped quickly through the glass doors of Victory Mansions, though not quickly enough to prevent a swirl of gritty dust from entering along with him."
the rest..
http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/0.html - cambob76, on 05/21/2008, -3/+13If you never do anything 'wrong', you don't have to worry!!! MWAH HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
- yayintertubes, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Trouble is, the UK govt keep changing the definition of "wrong".
- chrissku, on 05/21/2008, -1/+26I thought the govt. was supposed to work for the people, not against?
- Double-Z, on 05/21/2008, -0/+15Welcome to Labour's new vision. Tax the people, spy on the people, limit the freedoms of the people.
- 7952, on 05/21/2008, -0/+14Oh but they do. You just have to be one of the right people.
- Archer007, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2In other words, not black, female, old or people who just aren't our kind of people.
- GrantTLC, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1"One Man - One Vote. He [Lord Vetinari] was the Man, he had the Vote."
The Genius of Pratchett. :)
- Parkinsons, on 05/22/2008, -2/+1But they could intercept e-mails about child pornography. Think of the children!
- Hetman, on 05/21/2008, -3/+7I feel sorry for the UK. I also feel sorry that American politicians will use it to justify doing the same thing in the U.S.
- xaeon, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Haven't they already been doing this for years?
- r3zonance, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Don't the US usually start it.
- dudefather, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5In before Benjamin Franklin quotes
- aflaks, on 05/21/2008, -1/+12Big Brother Is Watching.
- ultraJesus, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3you masturbate
- MrLlama, on 05/21/2008, -3/+1But no human is physically watching you and gaining any useful information so why bring up the subject?
- LucerinRed, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2It's scary how close the UK is getting to 1984 and not even realizing
- qetuo, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1We should start putting on things Big Brother is watching. I am serious.
- NoQuarter, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3It's going to record who is contacted and when, not the actual conversations, text, etc.
That's bad enough, but they're not exactly "recording" everything, more making a record of it so they can check whether you've been talking to someone in Pakistan, then see who else you've spoken to. They can't do a retrospective wiretap on what has already been communicated. - PhonicUK, on 05/21/2008, -1/+19That settles it, I'm moving to Iceland.
- yayintertubes, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Dibs on Bjork.
- spitsnaugle, on 05/21/2008, -0/+7Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you...
- UltX, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9Something, something, something...darkside...
- ultraJesus, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4Something, something, something... complete..
- MrLlama, on 05/21/2008, -3/+4Paranoid digg users lead to submitting scaremongering articles. Scaremongering articles lead to digg users mindlessly digging article without thinking. Mindless digging leads to more and more people becoming paranoid. I sense much paranoia here...
- Carl306, on 05/21/2008, -2/+18Just make it a point to say something along the lines of "terrorist," "bomb," "GW is a dumbass" at the end of every phone call or email you communicate through.
For that matter: terrorist, bomb, GW is a dumbass.- GeekyGerge, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10I can never see that taking off.
C4, Balaclava, Infidels.- ZaZ2137, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9Me neither, also:
Dirty bomb, USA, democracy, infidels, assassinate bush, anthrax
- ZaZ2137, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9Me neither, also:
- yingjai, on 05/21/2008, -0/+7I don't think the word terrorist would be tagged. What kind of terrorist speaks to his fellow conspirators using it?
"Hey terrorist buddy, let's go bomb something." - TheRealToma, on 05/22/2008, -0/+4Your comment was the bomb. I laughed so hard I nearly gassed. I took the subway this morning to work, and they had this advert for planes. There were also ads for suicide hotlines :(. Then, this Muslim guy told me a hilarious joke that was so funny I nearly died of laughter. There was an aussie guy too, he said "Allah Mate! 'Ow ya dewin aye?" I said, "Good thanks, been dieing to drop a brown bomb in the porcelain tho."
- hypodan, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3I had to read that one twice, pretty sneaky of you.
- GeekyGerge, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10I can never see that taking off.
- billbugger, on 05/21/2008, -7/+3An i thought our U.S. govt. was bad, wow!
- DigitAl56K, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6They are. They already do this, you just hear about it after the fact instead of before, e.g. last years illegal wiretap scandal.
- zongamin, on 05/23/2008, -1/+1cretin
- drmangrum, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9Good luck with that. There is so much data floating around, by the time it actually gets analyzed it's out of date. Trying to create a catchall system is a fruitless endeavor.
- Stavrosian, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Exactly. They don't even have close to enough people to monitor the CCTV network as it is, so there is no way they can hope to actively monitor all of our communications. If it comes to checking for evidence after the fact, with this system in place it's not as if anybody who was planning anything nefarious would be talking about it over their registered phone line/email anyway, making this completely pointless and a total wasted expense.
Sounds like the perfect government project.
- Stavrosian, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Exactly. They don't even have close to enough people to monitor the CCTV network as it is, so there is no way they can hope to actively monitor all of our communications. If it comes to checking for evidence after the fact, with this system in place it's not as if anybody who was planning anything nefarious would be talking about it over their registered phone line/email anyway, making this completely pointless and a total wasted expense.
- Catbert107, on 05/21/2008, -2/+8It really bothers me that the providers even have that info
- davidamerland, on 05/21/2008, -1/+15The road to hell is paved with good intentions and the moment a government takes absolute control of its citizens' lives "for their own good" we will have a paved road to hell. Considering that just in the last six months the UK government managed to lose three CDs containing the records and bank account details of six million tax payers a government-ran database ran by the government to aid in the fight against terrorism (this must be up there with the pre-Iraq invasion WMDs mantra) is akin to putting all our eggs in one basket and handing it to the Keystone cops.
- adml_shake, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1Well the writers of the echelon must be thrilled that they are moving in to an over seas market, I wonder if they really monitor for that on the inte(connection terminated at source)
- 7952, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5Its lucky the terrorists never send emails offshore. If they did they'd really have us by the balls.
- Computer_Kid, on 05/21/2008, -1/+9How are they possibly going to store and sift through Terabytes of data each day?
- ZaZ2137, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2They don't they just want you to know that they COULD...if they wanted to.
- decadence, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9Step 1: Filter out all emails containing the word 'enlargement'
- somestranger26, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4Step 2: Filter out all emails with "FW:FW:FW:FW" in the subject
Step 3: ???
Step 4: PROFIT!
- somestranger26, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4Step 2: Filter out all emails with "FW:FW:FW:FW" in the subject
- nikomo, on 05/21/2008, -1/+8They'll run out of storage space for the 1TB harddrives in a week.
- roho76, on 05/21/2008, -2/+10I actually had respect for the UK at one point. I just don't understand how you guys put up with this *****.
I was talking to this guy at work today and he actually gave me the "well as long as your not doing anything wrong you don't have anything to be worried about." pitch. Where does this logic come from I just don't understand. I told him that he will see it diferently once they mistake him for a terrorist, and they are so certain that they got the right guy they torture him. He replied that that would never happen. I just looked at him and snickered.
I thought about giving leads to the DHS about people who think it is OK for this stuff to happen. Maybe it will change their minds because they obviously can not think rationally enough to make an educated decision about the effects this could have on us as a society.- MrLlama, on 05/21/2008, -6/+3"I told him that he will see it diferently once they mistake him for a terrorist, and they are so certain that they got the right guy they torture him. He replied that that would never happen. I just looked at him and snickered."
If you really think this is a likely scenario then you should be the one thats being laughed at. The guy you spoke to is completely right and your just a paranoid freak.- Stavrosian, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3Nobody ever thinks they are going to be the one who falls foul of the system, do they? It happens to somebody, why wouldn't it be you?
- GrantTLC, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2It isn't paranoia if someone IS out to get you...
- xxbrighteyed, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2Wasn't it in the U.K. where an innocent foreigner was shot because he LOOKED like he could be a terrorist?
- MrLlama, on 05/21/2008, -6/+3"I told him that he will see it diferently once they mistake him for a terrorist, and they are so certain that they got the right guy they torture him. He replied that that would never happen. I just looked at him and snickered."
- smurfz, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5REBEL!
- knight666, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3"Of course, there's no reason why police couldn't simply ask the ISPs for the appropriate data when they get that court order, since records are already required to be kept for a year [...]"
How do you like your slippery slope *****? - shiny100, on 05/21/2008, -2/+251984 aint a ***** instruction booklet!
- oliversan, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1I was under the impression the Home Office were doing this already. Perhaps just making its intentions public now.
- comeradealexi, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3what will become of torrent downloading?!
- tk0680, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1It'll get encrypted, like everything else will. Cue lots of politicians looking sheepish and then glaring at their IT-savvy kids who didn't think of that when asked.
- Ramble, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4This'll never get through in a million years. Apart from the ISPs and human rights groups being on the governments back, they will get such a grilling in the Commons and Lords.
- GrantTLC, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Absolutely. We are right to have such an immmense faith in our systems of Govt because of the sterling work they did stopping our country assisting the the US in their illegal invasion of Iraq...
...oh, wait.
- GrantTLC, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Absolutely. We are right to have such an immmense faith in our systems of Govt because of the sterling work they did stopping our country assisting the the US in their illegal invasion of Iraq...
- Mtber, on 05/21/2008, -2/+6Why do they feel the need to control everything.
- Stavrosian, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1To quote London mayor Boris Johnson (not normally a man I care for, but sensible in this regard) from the terrifying documentary "Taking Liberties":
"What do they want with this information? Why don't they just butt out of it?"
- Stavrosian, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1To quote London mayor Boris Johnson (not normally a man I care for, but sensible in this regard) from the terrifying documentary "Taking Liberties":
- Liability, on 05/21/2008, -3/+5Viva la Revolution
- DigitAl56K, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6If this bothers you, please realize that we need to change the way the Internet works. Nearly everything you send anywhere on the web can be monitored by parties along the chain of transmission. All the URLs you request, the contents of all unencrypted pages, all unencrypted form submissions, nearly all of your e-mail (unless it is submitted securely to another user on the same service), your non-secured FTP transfers, picture uploads, the feeds your RSS client pulls down, the internet radio stations you listen to, your private messages that on most servers do not use encrypted form submissions, etc.
The Internet is built upon services that usually operate with minimal security and authentication, if any, and that needs to change. Until it changes, you should not expect any privacy whatsoever, especially from your ISP. - Rainemaker, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5It's getting so bad, I'm thinking about opening up a private sector counter-intelligence store. On Sale This Month! Plastic Surgery and Fake ID cards!
- richnojutsu, on 05/21/2008, -1/+9I read an article last night about "Police State 2.0" in China. The tech the Chinese are using (high res cameras disguised as street lamps, facial recognition software, etc) all come from US and European contractors in the "security" industries. It doesn't surprise me that it's trickling down into the governments of the West now, it was only a matter of time.
- zongamin, on 05/23/2008, -1/+2Must be pretty clever facial recognition to tell them apart!!! (joke racism)
- xxbrighteyed, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1you ruined that with the (joke racism)
- comeradealexi, on 05/21/2008, -2/+3Every Phone call....
Every Email....
Every Webpage....
They will run out of space within one hour!!
Even if this does happend it cant last long!
Can it?- SSUK, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1They keep track of what websites you've visited. Many ISPs do this right now in the UK anyway, so no real change there.
- hempydave, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1mac desk top models can store 4 Tera bites of data!
severs with thousands of Tera bite hard drives?- Cryoniq, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2You don't know what the heck you are talking about. And it is spelled Bytes btw..
- hempydave, on 06/22/2008, -0/+1Specs directly from Mac.
Are you fscking stupid?
O grammar Nazi wow
sorry I spelled it wrong.
- hempydave, on 06/22/2008, -0/+1Specs directly from Mac.
- Cryoniq, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2You don't know what the heck you are talking about. And it is spelled Bytes btw..
- CrudeDarkness, on 05/21/2008, -4/+4our internet isn't as fast as the UK (top speed is 4mb/s) but Dubai welcomes you.
oh... I forgot to mention that porn websites are blocked here. Who needs porn anyway.- ogloom, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5me =[
- xaeon, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Who doesn't?!
- stikkitjim, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3"We are the Dead."
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