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- xtmno3, on 10/12/2007, -9/+78"It appears that this flaw may only apply to older versions of Firefox, prior to the current 2.0 release, but Beyond Security was unavailable for comment on the matter."
- UglieJosh, on 10/12/2007, -26/+94You forgot the rest of the title.....
"2 flaws found in Firefox. 179 found in Explorer" - rudy23, on 10/12/2007, -5/+48OSX = Operating System
Firefox = Browser
Now repeat this 5 times. - dsignr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Irony would be net.com or org.com or com.org.
Com.com is just redundant. - FyberOptic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Firefox always has open issues, some which never get resolved before they jump to a whole new point release, and even then, some remain. Look at its security history somewhere like Secunia.
IE6 – 67% patched (out of 110 reported bugs).
IE7 – 25% patched (out of 4 reported bugs).
Firefox 1 – 87% patched (out of 39 reported bugs).
Firefox 2 – 50% patched (out of 4 reported bugs).
Opera 8 – 100% patched (out of 15 reported bugs).
Opera 9 – 100% patched (out of 3 reported bugs).
Safari 1 – 93% patched (out of 15 reported bugs).
Safari 2 – 33% patched (out of 6 reported bugs).
The important thing to notice is Opera always being right on top of things. Not to mention, being the most secure in the first place, especially having been around much much longer than Firefox. - Th3P4st, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13KrazyKoala As a fellow Opera user I strongly disagree with your comment.
Firefox as a browser is Opera's best ally in making the web a better place, the only problem with Firefox is the rabid fanboyism it seem to generate. To quote Firefox founder and creator Blake Ross on the conflict between Opera and Firefox users.
"I think it’s ridiculous. Millions of people out there rely on us to make the Web better, not have pissing contests. Let’s just agree that…
Firefox stole features from Opera.
Opera stole features from Firefox.
Opera is a better embedded browser (congratulations on Wii).
Both are fantastic browsers.
Asa is a troll.
…and get back to serving the people."
http://operawatch.com/news/2007/01/interview-with-firefox-founder-and-creator-blake-ross.html
- iamdanielj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@MSTK:
Is it found in the 1.5 Branch. I still have quite a few family members running the 1.5.0.9 build, and I suspect theres still quite a few people still doing so. Therfore it is a minor issue.
However I suspect if this is the case 1.5.0.10 (Or however the naming system works) will be released in less than 24 hours. - IMustBeEmo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Firefox may be fast, but it IS a RAM hog. It uses 200 MB of RAM on a good day with few tabs open.
Opera stays consistent at 30-40 MB. - rockforever, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13I like firefox because it is so highly customizable. So many addons and pluggins. Not that I need them all, but the options are here.
- diggityiggity, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@xtmno3:
"It appears that this flaw may only apply to older versions of Firefox, prior to the current 2.0 release, but Beyond Security was unavailable for comment on the matter."
Keep reading... the second flaw applies to 2.x. - 13thfloor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10The two flaws seem to affect versions other than the current version. It's just another reason that you need to keep whatever software you use current.
- mcspectrum, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13com.com is CNET. How is that a flaw? Someone please explain. Or is it irony? I'm lost.
- sh0gun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Yea, cuz smooth scrolling on digg pages is much more important than a safe browsing experience. I'm convinced.
- V1ncent, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10There's not just 2 flaws found in Firefox.
- MSTK, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11What sensationalist non-news. "Two flaws were found in outdated version of FireFox that nobody uses anymore, and its inevitable doom seems nigh.. Mozilla unavailable for comment."
- phlogiston99, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You can also RTFA, one flaw involves tricking the user in disabling the popup blocker (why would I do that? Really?) And the other flaw is in the anti-Phishing feature.
"The phishing flaw does appear to apply to the current 2.0.0.1 version of Firefox."
That would be because the anti-Phising stuff did not exist in the base 1.5. But still, don't click on links you get from spam emails claiming they are from your bank in the first place. Gee. "But my bank said they needed me to confirm my DOB, last 15 known adresses, SSN, all my credit card numbers, my eBay username/password and the names of my children, and they also needed power of attorney on all my assets otherwise they were going to come to my house and tearing up the wallpaper, plugging my toilets with toilet papers and pouring maple syrup on my carpet. Do you know how hard it is to get Maple syrup out of the carpet? I HAD to give that information to the bank. They are the BANK after all. They are to be trusted no matter what. It's what they do!" But I digress.
IE still has not had its biggest flaw plugged yet: activeX. Downloading random code from a remote location, when the only protection is a dumber than a bag of rocks users and a confirmation dialog box: brilliant!.
"Please click yet to the next box that show up in the security warning in order to see your VIRTUAL POSTCARD": brilliant! - lengau, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Here's my experience with the rendering speed etc. on digg:
By speed:
1. Opera
2. Firefox
3. Konqueror/Safari (Konqueror used to be much slower than Safari, but (and I'm not sure why, it could be something to do with Digg, too) but they're about the same now)
4. IE7
5. IE6
So right now I'll stick to using Firefox to browse Digg and Konqueror for everything else. I'll look again after KDE 4 comes out (and after FF3). Maybe I'll change my mind then. - flag564, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Why do some people feel that they can cover up the flaws of one product by changing the subject to another program.
If you use Firefox, you should be concerned with THESE flaws not problems with other applications. - zhouray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4RTFA, it says two _new_ flaws.
- anonymous6237, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ pcgeek: That's still less than 3. Yes I realize that you said there were a lot more for Firefox in general but then comparing FF over all and JUST IE7 doesn't seem right now does it? Also the comment was referring specifically to IE7 and FF 2.0. There are more for IE7 than for FF 2.0
- kill, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@pcgeek101
There are 5 for IE7 and 0 for firefox 2.0, sorry you lose now learn to read. - KrazyKoala, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I wish more people used Opera, I like it way more. Trouble is that some pages won't play nicely with it, I suppose because there's not enough demand. Come on Firefox fans, make another switch :P.
- FyberOptic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6A funny thing about Firefox is that, even though it was based off of Mozilla, if you go get the last released version of that browser, it renders Digg much faster on pages with lots of comments. Firefox is absolutely intolerable at times. Opera however is much better at handling it, among doing other things better as well. But blame still falls back on Digg for being so ***** bloated in the first place.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@lengau
I'd like to know why you don't use opera, eventhough you list it as #1 - unlimitedorb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+52 flaws? I for one am relieved...I was beginning to feel that the safety and security built into Firefox had an inhuman-like quality. They are mortals after all!
- unlimitedorb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Amazing only 2...
- durrty, on 10/12/2007, -3/+539 total comments at the time I read this, 22 of them are dugg down, what about Firefox spurs people to make retarded comments?
- pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -13/+15I'm not sure how IE7 is "unsafe" ... got any factual evidence?
- pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Wow, that comment was -not- biased at all ... no way ... nope ...
- Redlobo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I use Firefox because it is Open Source, it has wonderful Extensions, and the "Firefox" brand and logo are cool to me.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.helpero.com/news/Internet/Browsers/Pop-up-Blocker-Flaw-in-Firefox_258.html
- thadiusdean, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The browser is far from perfect, but I believe the website is talking about actual loopholes. Unless you know more than I do.
- marsrover21, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah, I have to agree. These flaws seem like a non-issue. No biggie.
- Bamborzled, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"The second flaw, announced by SecuriTeam on Wednesday, concerns Firefox's phishing protection feature. With this vulnerability, an adept phisher could fool the browser into believing that a fraudulent site is actually secure by adding particular characters into the URL of its Web site.
The phishing flaw does appear to apply to the current 2.0.0.1 version of Firefox."
That flaw DOES apply to 2.0. - gsansom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0and who's keeping an eye on the plug-ins people install? i had firebug running which kept causing Ajax callbacks to fail. who knows what a malicious plug-in writer could do!
- DarkShroud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"IE still has not had its biggest flaw plugged yet: ActiveX. Downloading random code from a remote location, when the only protection is a dumber than a bag of rocks users and a confirmation dialog box: brilliant!."
@phlogiston99: If you don't respond to that bar is does not load/install that ActiveX so it works. Plus you can disable ActiveX in IE7 altogether and there were opt out features in IE6.1 but people were too ignorant to use it. ActiveX being the point of attack is a thing of the past with IE7 get used to it. Find something new and relevant to complain about in IE7 or keep quiet.
I will continue to use my Secure and more memory efficient Opera and IE7 when I need a working Phising filter. - Electric_Sheep, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7Firefox flaws?
Fix released in 3... 2... 1... - iamdanielj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You can quite easily still run the 1.5 branch. It's still being maintained so all its security holes will be plugged to. (and is so for a few more months, I cant actually remember when they are going to stop maintaining the 1.5 branch).
- Cablito, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42 flaws? Check secunia... there are tons more.
- XISUPERMANIX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Opera sometimes doesn't update a page unless you reload the page. Might sound confusing but like going to digg.com then going to a different site then 5 minutes later you type digg.com back into the url and the same exact page come up, you hit reload and then it updates. It has problems with its cache, I ran reload every on all night once and it stopped working because the images wouldn't load.
- Th3P4st, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Easily answered. Fanboys and fanboys that are tired of the other fanboys. That's how an endless loop of pointless bickering similar to the "my daddy is stronger than your daddy" that can be heard at playgrounds all around the world starts.
- lengau, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@jeifurie: I dunno, I just don't. There's nothing wrong with it, but I don't. Although I do tend to use the Duggmirror extension a lot.
- thomas41546, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Finally, microsoft invested soo much time and money looking for flaws in mozilla .. its about time they found something
- Pataflafla, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2oh, 100%, I checked that just now in my workshop.
IE7:10min Youtube video:13%
Firefox2.0:same video:12%
This test was performed on two identical Desktops, all software and hardware were the same, no additional files were stored on either. only variable was the Web browser.
RAM usage of Firefox did not in anyway cripple my computer, so all thing being more or less equal, I'll stick with Firefox. Reason being; IE7 has a horrible interface and for some reason came preloaded with the Yahoo! Toolbar, despite the fact I haven't even gone to Yahoo! - dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1"I'd like to know why you don't use opera, eventhough you list it as #1"
Well, I didn't make the original comment, but personally I don't use Opera because (despite it being "faster") I don't like the UI, and there is several Firefox extensions I really like and have grown attached to (AdBlock, Firebug, Coralize, CustomizeGoogle, IEView, among others). The few seconds I'll having the browser start up slightly faster is neglible, as is the load-times of webpages (I can't notice a few miliseconds extra load time)
I've tried Opera several times, but just can't get used to it - The only reason I can see that would make me consider switching to it is the memory usage, but Firefox 2 is less bad, and if I close it every so often it never gets all that bad (Never slows the computer down, although I do try and close Firefox if I'm using something that needs lots of memory).
Also, seeing as how it's (Firefox) an extremely popular browser, people tend to make sure sites work in it, more so than most browsers (excluding IE) - I know it's a chicken-or-the-egg situation (If Opera was more popular, more people would check sites in it, so more people would use it, so more people develop sites for it, [recursive loop]), but for now, the lack of extensions, the few things in Opera that annoy me (The middle-mouse-click scroll centering the mouse cursor being one of the main ones), the fact I really don't need my browser to also be my torrent/mail/RSS reader client, and the fact I'm so used to Firefox now are all part of the reason I use Firefox over Opera..
[That's not to say I don't wish Mozilla would sort Firefox's memory-usage "feature", Firefox is currently using ~130MB of memory for very little reason - This page is the only one open.. Although I've had a lot of other webpages open recently. Minimizing and restoring the browser seems to lower the usage a bit, but it's still somewhat annoying]
- Ben - alamko1999, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0IE - 60% - 114
Firefox - 25% - 43
Safari - 4% - 21
Opera 1.5% - 18
Now there are just too many 14 years old to hack IE and Firefox. Plus i bet Opera in this stats are not from computers but from other gadgets.
I use Firefox on my computer but Opera on other gadgets like mobile, why? because firefox is the best browser on computers (consider the addons/plugins) and opera is the best on other gadgets except for computer. - UglieJosh, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4I have no idea what all this talk of IE being faster is. I have IE7 and the newest Firefox and one of the things I marvel about with Firefox is how much faster it is.
- Shodemofi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I used firefox until the current version came out. The current one almost drove me insane. It is so terrible. They like took out the pop-up blocker or something because it doesn't block popups anymore. And if you have more than like 2 tabs open it dies and makes you restart it. I switched to Netscape.
- pabster, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Opera FTW!
- iamdanielj, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2From TFA:
"The phishing flaw does appear to apply to the current 2.0.0.1 version of Firefox." -
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