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- ph713, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"heh...if I want to read about the legion of doom then I'll break out Hacker Crackdown by Bruce Stirling. The whole point of me writing that article was because there weren't many sources on what happened. Though certainly notorious, those groups in the 80's and 90's didn't get involved in a fortnight long, world-spanning hackfest. The guys in the article did. So sue me ;)"
A number of people that were around then are still around now in various guises and professions, and would beg to differ with your descriptions.
"Those groups in the 80's and 90's" would never have been so trite as to spend two weeks defacing websites at each other. The wars back then lasted for years between larger well-established groups, and people's lives were destroyed as a result. Money was stolen, credit cards were maxxed, credit ratings were ruined, public utility services were disconnected, homes and businesses were physically invaded, employers were convinced to fire people, people went to jail, etc.
Mostly, it was driven by the juvenile, irresponsible phase that all of these hackers go through. They mostly all eventually grow up, and then get pissed off at the next generation (I use the word generation loosely - in such a fast-moving, dynamic, and ill-defined subculture, generations sometimes span mere months) that starts doing these things to each other, and so on.
Eventually hacker culture proper has largely cleaned itself up. But then you've got guys like those in your article, who spawned from outside the established culture, and thus are having to learn everything the hard way all over again. Luckily for themselves and the rest of the world, they're mostly too stupid to do much damage. - Tweekster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Last week I saw two guys kissing in the park and that was the gayest thing I have ever seen until I read this article about Hacker World wars.
apparently the author missed the 80's and the 90's. you know with the real notorious hackers, not web page defacements. I mean give me a break, its a lame web page defacement that makes script kiddies look like Kevin Paulson.
and what reputations were hurt, they had no reps, they werent even on the radar of most geek circles. yeah their reputations were hurt more by the fact they are a bunch of teenagers that just got the latest script off the net.
If you want to read interesting stories about real hacker wars, go read Masters of Deception etc. - Paperghost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"apparently the author missed the 80's and the 90's. you know with the real notorious hackers, not web page defacements. I mean give me a break, its a lame web page defacement that makes script kiddies look like Kevin Paulson."
heh...if I want to read about the legion of doom then I'll break out Hacker Crackdown by Bruce Stirling. The whole point of me writing that article was because there weren't many sources on what happened. Though certainly notorious, those groups in the 80's and 90's didn't get involved in a fortnight long, world-spanning hackfest. The guys in the article did. So sue me ;) - Tweekster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1paperghost: they defaced websites, big deal...
Okay, you want international, Chaos Computer Club, its got some glitz, corporate espionage, dealing with the Soviets.
basically, defacing web pages, is about the lamest hack in the world. - Paperghost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Interesting article, although the writer apparently can't tell the difference between a helicopter and an airplane."
Apologies, I wrote it after having been sitting on a long haul flight from India for 11 hours along with a whole bunch of other horrendous travel-related stuffage.
Fixed it now though ;) - MarkStrube, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hack tha planet!
LOL.
No digg. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0an explaination, woo
- Sell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The only thing i can hack into is a Big Mac
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Interesting article, although the writer apparently can't tell the difference between a helicopter and an airplane.
- multifaceted, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Like other users have said people that deface websites are idiots. I had my site defaced once but all they did was change my index file and not delete my other files, since my site host was also a friend of mine it just used a backup to fix it for me.
- cinemafreak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Teh ISB I worked for had USA in its title and they were hit.
- Stockwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Half-decent article on the first BIG hacker war.
Worth a dig nevertheless. - AToMusK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0lol @ sell
- SpazticChips, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0it was ytmnd and a bunch of other people, like Genmay, but the plans were made in the ytmnd irc channell
- Jether, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't think is would be the first. There was that LoD and MoD war aaaaaaages ago now.
- Bretso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0More interesting than paying attention to work.
Digg - mikal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The author seems no better than those who copy & paste the nuke status of scene releases from pre sites into public forums/chatrooms to get "oooh he is in the IN crowd" admiration.
Badly hidden fanboyism and overly obvious name dropping == NO DIGG. - phraud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0milw0rm, Ashtray Lumberjacks, Carparts Ninja Task Force, LoU, FTH, HFG, etc... these are all groups that were "warring" in the 90's. Some were also stirring up problems around the world - ie. India and their Nuke tests. You can also look back and see times like when Bronc Buster hacked the Chinese Firewalls... this article is definitely not anything new. Digg for nostalgia value.
- sub-seven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"
Badly hidden fanboyism and overly obvious name dropping == NO DIGG."
Well thats pretty stupid, how the hell are we supposed to know who did what unless, you know, people are named! - phraud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0oh yes, and LoD - MoD... that was goodtimes
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is nothing. Sites like japsclan.com elitecoders.org game-deception.com http://www.msxsecurity.com and others have had ddos wars which make the ytmnd thing seem like pissant crap.
- aonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0interesting article,+digg
- mikal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sub-seven, I think you don't know the difference between "naming" and "name dropping". Here, have a cup of definition: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1193021
Feel free to to substitute the "music, film or other modern arts" part. - gnarbuckets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"And following on from the untimely demise of the (unfortunately named) Chinese pilot Wang, due to his dubious collision with an American chopper that, as one American Hacker so eloquently put it, had all the agility of "A flying dildo", so began a "World Hacker War" that has been somewhat lost to the mists of time."
The grammatical disgustingness of the above sentence was enough to make me stop reading. Forever. - Paperghost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"paperghost: they defaced websites, big deal...
Okay, you want international, Chaos Computer Club, its got some glitz, corporate espionage, dealing with the Soviets.
basically, defacing web pages, is about the lamest hack in the world."
I never said it wasn't lame - it just so happens that page defacements was what the whole event was all about. As a sum total of web server break-ins, it was still pretty interesting to watch unfold. - Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0ISP you mean?
- 0Troy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ooooo... more like first script kiddie pissing match...
- winkydo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0is it posible to take back your digg?
- Drifton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This was not the first world hacker war, a nice story though.
- edto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0fun read
- Paperghost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Please note that the article begins with "The first contender for this title actually happened back in 2001." Meaning, this is part of a series that will explore other "big" hack efforts that span the globe, and can fight it out for title of "first one ever". I just started with this one primarily because its laced with memories of good pals in China who lost jobs because their boxes were rooted. But that's another story...
...and sub-seven / mikal, get a room will you ;) - teckjunkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I figured the first would have been VI vs Emacs
(emacs would win) - bigteebo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The one most prominent thing in "hacking scenes": fighting and drama. Often, this eclipses actual hacking in and of itself. All the more reason to get out of any said "scene".
- fugitivALiEN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0C'mon, this is not a WAR by any stretch, not even CYBER-WAR... it's just messing with some websites... if they could shut down the internet for more than 30 mins...then i'd call it more than just a rivalry =/
- wearescience, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Anybody else notice that sub-seven and paperghost are the same person? However, they switch back and forth to answer different comments. Did you digg yourself?
- sub-seven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"what about cheatnetwork vs fkn0wned"
What about it? It pulls up about 4 pages on google. type hacker world war in, and you get a whole bunch of relevant pages from everything from wired to cnn. for whatever reasons, this event was truly wide reaching in terms of hitting the massed media and, better or worse, this event also became *the* hax0r world war. i remember it actually reaching our local news station and considering all our news pieces were previously about frogs falling from the sky and other crud like that, thats pretty good going! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0what about cheatnetwork vs fkn0wned
- Paperghost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I dugg the story, yes, I dont see the big deal with giving myself a digg. However, sub is a longtime member of my forum - I've known him for a while.
- EsotericBoredom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Im not laughing at what took place, im laughing because this whole thing was caused by content control, author credit and disbursement of revenue generated from said content. Sounds like the riaa and thier efforts.
- aquafinality, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Also, can you really call Something Awful+YTMND vs. Ebaums World a real internet world war? It's more like a skirmish as a result of theft.
..from TFA:
A few weeks back, I wrote about the online cyber-war between Ebaumsworld and Ytmnd.com. I was dismayed to see people calling it the "first online cyber-war". It wasn't. - Otakoner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Seriously... This is by no account the first cyber world war. As many others mentioned, the LOD vs. MOD attacks took place long before 2001. Another great read, though slanted towards MOD, is "The Masters of Deception: The Gang that Ruled Cyberspace by Michele Slatalla.
Also, can you really call Something Awful+YTMND vs. Ebaums World a real internet world war? It's more like a skirmish as a result of theft. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Noob stuff, no digg. Read "CYBERPUNK: Outlaws and Hackers on the Computer Frontier" from 1991 by Katie Hafner and John Markoff to learn about what happened when "the net" was only a baby. Then read "Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution" by Steven Levy to get a fuller picture.
- cosmiclingo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I am disappointed in the lack of progress along the ebaumsworld front.
Check out : http://baumanisalive.ytmnd.com/
Comment to support our troops! If they are to defeat the ebaums, they need it now more than ever!
Freeeeeedooooom!!! - Legion303, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Whoopdee *****. Some kids fired up a program that scanned for servers running vulnerable versions of IIS. Then that program exploited IIS and let the kids upload their own index files. That's not hacking. That's just stupid.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I won't call them wars until these big nerds start killing each other outright. Right now it's more of a whiney slap fight between a bunch of spoiled brats.
- kai05yang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"ytmnd is overrated."
lol this article has nothing to do with ytmnd - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 Oh and, I can't beleive you are even advertising here.. lol ~_~
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0#
This is nothing. Sites like japsclan.com elitecoders.org game-deception.com http://www.msxsecurity.com and others have had ddos wars which make the ytmnd thing seem like pissant crap.
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Maz, how have you been! I'll be sure to visit you soon. :o - mikal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Sub-seven, as you attack a small detail of someone else's definition of name dropping and yet again prove you don't know what it means, I will now -- as proper code of behaviour demand -- respond with an attack of your use of all lowercase.
Go buy yourself a shift key! The lack of capitalization renders all your arguments false! - yagood, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Lame.
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