What is Digg?324 Comments
- evi1, on 01/16/2008, -1/+380"If you had people who the young people respect in this industry—Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Shia LaBeouf—if these guys did public service announcements that said, 'Don't steal, stealing's not cool,' I think you can go a long way toward stopping this."
Wow they really are clueless. - howlgaffgaff, on 01/16/2008, -8/+357if ethan were to be caught
he should get a lawyer
and the lawyer should coin the name
media defender-defender's defender - Eeqmcsq, on 01/16/2008, -4/+297In addition to talking about "Ethan" hacking MediaDefender, this story covers a lot of related stories, from the good ol' Napster days to the Pirate Bay. And the bottom line is that with the advances in technology and the Internet, ANYONE can become a "pirate" and download content for themselves while sharing it for others. And ANYONE with the skills can contribute to improving the technology, by improving the protocols, client apps, etc. We're basically evolving into a society of pirates. And MediaDefender and co think they can stop a whole society? Yeah, good luck with that.
- glucoseboy, on 01/16/2008, -0/+153great story, well worth the read (yes it's "long" by Internet standards)
- Tgg161, on 01/16/2008, -3/+114 From: Randy Saaf
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 1:11 p.m.
To: [various MediaDefender employees]
Subject: digg story on hd dvd crack
Look how ape ***** the digg community went over the hd dvd crack code post getting pulled from the site.
http://digg.com/news/popular/24hours
People sure love their pirated movies - rawg, on 01/16/2008, -1/+107"We're basically evolving into a society of pirates." yes - but only because of how the industry has defined piracy.
I take a CD from a store without paying. That's theft. A friend sends her physical CD to me via UPS so I can borrow it. Not theft. She plays me a song over the phone. Not theft. She plays a CD at a party where a bunch of people get to hear her music collection. Not theft. Pretty clear cut.
But if I only have a digital copy of the song, how can I share it without copying and transmitting it? I email my brother an MP3 of a song that I like. Piracy. I post an MP3 on my blog so that my family and friends can hear what I'm currently listening to. Piracy. I share a song through *old* napster so that people can browse my music collection and perhaps find something that they might be interested in. Super piracy.
It's not called theft because I haven't stolen anything from anyone. It's called piracy because the company that owns the digital publishing rights to the MP3 has lost a potential sale.
The old business model was that publishers got paid a reasonable profit for a value added service, making physical copies of media and distributing those physical copies to retail outlets. It used to cost money to do that and so it was understandable that companies would need to be compensated for investing in the production and distribution infrastructure. But now it costs almost nothing to copy and distribute media. In fact, we're doing it ourselves on our own computers using our own bandwidth, no investment from the publisher is required at all. They provide no value to the process any more. The only people who legitimately lose when music is pirated are the artists and the promoters.
The problem is that these publishing companies are narrowly focused on protecting their sales revenue by stopping "piracy." The real challenge for the industry is to figure out how to fairly compensate artists and promoters in a digital distribution model. This is where Radiohead and Trent Reznor have conducted some interesting experiments and iTunes is positioned well as a promoter for independent artists. - warchant, on 01/16/2008, -0/+86While downloads occur on a vast scale," they wrote, "most users are likely individuals who in the absence of file sharing would not have bought the music they downloaded."
wow...i'm so glad someone finally said this! - ngmcs8203, on 01/16/2008, -2/+87Shia LaBeouf... really? This guy? -> http://innerjoejoe.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/shi ...
If our "young people" look up to that guy, then we are ALL in trouble. - Lane, on 01/16/2008, -2/+86What that be in the ARRwaves? That be an open wifi connection? Prepare the torrents!!
- sweeneyowns, on 01/16/2008, -1/+74. "Online piracy has got to be stopped. The biggest spear in the neck of the pirates will be (a) being vigilant, (b) prosecuting, and (c) in a way, making fun of them, finding a way to say, 'That's not cool—that's anything but cool.'
LMAO! "thats not cool"....this guy is a douche. - tgc1, on 01/16/2008, -1/+72No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
- tumbler360, on 01/16/2008, -1/+65"Still, a few months after the MediaDefender-Defenders played their prank, there was a sign that some in Hollywood might be shifting their thinking. A new independent movie called Jerome Bixby's The Man From Earth showed up on one of the file-sharing sites in November. The film's producers had no idea it had even been pirated; all they knew was that suddenly its popularity was skyrocketing. Their websites received 23,000 hits in less than two weeks, and the film's ranking among the most-searched-for movies on the internet movie-tracking site IMDB went from 11,235 to 15. Eric Wilkinson, the film's co-producer, wrote a fan letter to the site responsible for driving traffic to the pirated film: "Our independent movie had next to no advertising budget and very little going for it until somebody ripped one of the DVD screeners and put the movie online for all to download.... People like our movie and are talking about it, all thanks to piracy on the Net!" He requested that fans buy the DVD as well and added, "In the future, I will not complain about file sharing. you have helped put this little movie on the map!!!! When I make my next picture, I just may upload the movie on the Net myself!"
I think this change is what scares the movie industry (entertainment in general) most. They have invested A LOT of money into advertising the products they want us to pay for and when we can freely choose what we want to pay for it means they cannot exploit us with crappy products that produce the most money for them. - chingy1788, on 01/16/2008, -0/+50basically if you have access to the internet, you are a potential pirate
- MindTrigger, on 01/16/2008, -1/+50No, we are 'evolving' into a society of people who share all human information, for free. That is where we are destined to end up if we don't destroy the world first. This is no excuse for stealing, but an explanation.
- unjustend, on 01/16/2008, -0/+45Now if only all journalism could be this indepth
- CanadianGuy, on 01/16/2008, -3/+46Sharing is NOT piracy. Piracy is SELLING copyrighted works and profiting from it, something the Chinese are very familiar with. Back in the 80's when people were copying cassette tapes and giving them to their friends you didn't hear one word about music sharing. And now because the music industry perceives that they are not benefiting any longer they are prosecuting people. Is it really sharing thats the problem, or is it the music itself?
- Chirp08, on 01/16/2008, -1/+43and that would make any protesters or supporters on his side media defender-defender's defender defenders
- kazamx, on 01/16/2008, -0/+42Thats *****. I know people who have almost half a million songs. I know for a fact that they would have bought every single one of those songs if they couldn't pirate them. I know this because the RIAA told me so. The fact they are poor students doesn't mean *****, I am sure they could have found the money from somewhere.
Lets see 500,000 songs. Lets say 10 songs per album and each album costs $10. Right so that would mean about $500,000 in music, yup I see no reason the RIAA might be wrong. I am sure every student has $500,000 sitting around in pocket change. - Zippo, on 01/16/2008, -2/+39Man, this kid is a genius. I'd kill to have even half his hacking talent and ability.
- xconverge, on 01/16/2008, -0/+36"(Ethan is a pseudonym.)"
- iceman0113, on 01/16/2008, -1/+37"he'll flex whatever political muscle he has acquired by being a _major donor_ to achieve one thing: "Tougher, more stringent piracy laws." Does he see any use for P2P systems? "No."" Harvey Weinstein, wow, so democrats would do what he says just because he donated a lot of money. Looks like democracy only works for the rich instead of the common person...
- g30ph, on 01/16/2008, -0/+32I don't do drugs because in the '80s Johnny Depp fried an egg and told me it was my brain on drugs. He was a celebrity. I had to obey.
- shedtroll, on 01/16/2008, -0/+32DO what you want cause a pirate is free,
you are a pirate - MonkeyFCoconut, on 01/16/2008, -0/+30Even if I highly respect an actor's work, as soon as they sell out and make one of those after-school-special announcements - they are speaking as some -individual- who has way more money than I'll ever have, and just got paid a bunch more to push someone elses message that they probably don't care a rat's ass about as long as the money keeps rolling in. Even if they are not rolling in donuts, to sell-out like that just kills it for me. Be cool and a genuine person and I'll buy your merch, period.
- krets, on 01/16/2008, -1/+29Company name: MediaDefender
MediaDefender's Defender: Prosecutor
MediaDefender's Defender Defender: Defense attorney
Are we crystal? - supaLink, on 01/16/2008, -0/+28media defender is sure gonna love seeing themselves up on digg.com
- Chirp08, on 01/16/2008, -0/+26who the ***** is that guy? Where would we see these advertisements? I don't watch tv, I browse the web for entertainment, I can see episodes of my favorites shows without intrusive ads while I read sites like digg. At no point would I even know such a campaign is going on unless I read about it on here.
- slvrbullet87, on 01/16/2008, -1/+26and if people who who dont want the protesters messed wi.... aw screw it
- icegoddess13, on 01/16/2008, -1/+26Long article, but a very good read. And of course a prepaid phone is traceable, it's just a futile effort tracing it cause you're not gonna find out anything about the person using it.
- scabbers, on 01/16/2008, -1/+22What sort of clowns were running their security?
- terminal157, on 01/17/2008, -0/+20If Shia LaBeouf told me to stop pirating, I think I'd slap on an eye patch and punch him in the nuts.
- chingy1788, on 01/16/2008, -4/+24Ninjas can't walk on water (as shown by MythBusters)
- kipmartin, on 01/16/2008, -3/+23ok mr. wise man--how do you trace a phone with no name or address associated with it calling another phone with no name or address associated with that phone either? dont say 'triangulation'. anyone who has ever used google locator or verizon's 'GPS' knows how good tringulatuon is. you can be right next to a triangulated phone and still have it hiding in 333 square acres. so, hows that 911 conspiracy looking, lee harvey?
- skyshock1, on 01/16/2008, -1/+21Shia Who?
- Impossis, on 01/16/2008, -0/+20he defends us From MediaDefender, obviously
- neio, on 01/16/2008, -0/+20Apparently the FBI is looking for him, I sure hope he covered his ass when he did the hacks otherwise he'll become another Mitnick.
- anselm83, on 01/16/2008, -0/+19You know you spend too much time on MySpace & YouTube when reading seven pages of text -- text you even admit is very interesting -- suddenly seems like an intolerable chore.
- Memitim, on 01/17/2008, -2/+21I'm a potential ninja!
- kazamx, on 01/16/2008, -1/+20OMG random guy thinks I am not cool, *****. I only downloaded because I thought that everyone would think I was cool. If this random guy says I am not cool then I will stop.
Downloading had nothing to do with rip off prices, adverts and being forced to watch the show at a specific tim. The fact that many of the shows I download aren't even released in my country had nothing what so ever to do with me downloading, I only did it to be cool. Yea right. - Dubbsacc, on 01/16/2008, -2/+20They lacked the teachings of real Ninja masters...
The myth busting test fails. - dafragsta, on 01/16/2008, -17/+35Anyone else get the impression that someone got a little over zealous with the drama shaker while writing this story?
- keitho, on 01/16/2008, -2/+20awesome article.
- Raptor007, on 01/16/2008, -1/+19I almost dugg you down until I caught the sarcasm. :¬)
- linksus, on 01/16/2008, -2/+19Yarrr
- Memitim, on 01/17/2008, -0/+17But they were all on one webpage. I thought that automatically got the Good Diggkeeping Seal of Approval.
- jordanrobbins, on 01/16/2008, -0/+17Great article, not long enough! Very interesting topic.
- Gonz037, on 01/16/2008, -1/+18That was awesome... People love their pirated movies, but it IS more than that. I liked the point that the article brought up about people don't want to pay 10 bucks to go to a movie, especially if the movie sucks! So instead of paying the money for a ***** movie they weren't going to go to anyways, they might download it. Plus... lets face it, if I don't download it, I'm just going to rent it off of Netflix anyways (yea netflix bought that copy but the point is I'm NOT). I guess it's just our way of fighting back against the money hungry ***** that run this world.
- Harley77, on 01/16/2008, -0/+16It's because you CAN'T download movies on The Pirate Bay. You download Torrents on The Pirate Bay, nothing more.
- cyranthus, on 01/16/2008, -13/+29Very interesting story!
But jesus... 7 pages! - trutek, on 01/16/2008, -0/+15if only we still had a democracy. it's more like an Corporatocracy.
-
Show 51 - 100 of 318 discussions
Digg is coming to a city (and computer) near you! Check out all the details on our 
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is 