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- nogami, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33Well, it's kind of the "thin edge" I suppose...
-It starts off with "you must open your RFID passport for the customs official"
then...
-"you must have your RFID passport open and 'readable' in the airport and on the plane while travelling" (so they can electronically trace your movements from the baggage check-in right onto the plane, and off again at the other side).
and eventually...
-"you need to have your passport available for RFID scans whenever you travel abroad - you need to have it on your person at all times, and open for scanning. If not, you get taken into custody by local police for questioning".
Crap like this just makes the intelligence (and I use the term loosely) community drool. Nothing like mounds of data to sift through AFTER a major world tragedy has taken place. At least they'll be able to pat themselves on the back for their clever forensics work after the fact - maybe they'll be able to even pick the proper country to declare war on next time... - kidd3ckz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29@rpg
They have magnet stores? I wish I knew where my local store was... I guess it shouldn't be hard, just walk around with a compass... - nogami, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23They say that they "might" not honor a passport with a busted RFID... However in all likelyhood (what with being a government and all), they'll let you into the country with a thorough caivty-search, fingerprint, eye-scan, DNA sample, then promptly charge you another $$$ for a replacement "fixed" passport.
- BitSlash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Yeah pretty easy to protect yourself if you have one, but you shouldn't have to protect yourself because of the government. But, that's the way things are going right now...
- anareric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Drivers licenses are next, or maybe national ID cards.
- dig412, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18From the article:
"With your new passport you can wait another 10 years for an RFID passport, when the technology will be more mature, when we will have a better understanding of the security risks and when there will be other technologies we can use to cut the risks." - chrismm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18about 20 seconds in the microwave will trash the RFID chip and leave the passport in good condition. There might be a mar from the chip frying, but :shrug: ***** happens ya know?
- ccheath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14haven't they switched over to rfid already? so there's nothing you can do about it now... I plan to have a protective wallet for it that will block radio waves unless I open up the passport
- thespanielator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I find a microwave oven is quick, easy and convenient
- mfratt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Breaking News: You can now have your passport implanted into your forearm via an rfid security chip!
I love high tech *****, but there are some places where technology like this doesnt belong.
How far is it gonna go? - rpg405, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Take your passport to a magnet store and have fun running the passport alongside all the powerful magnets!
- wurzelgummage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9It is an RFID, but it only has your picture on it.
- gfixler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@ernkush:
I don't trust you, nor anyone who starts off by saying "trust me." - ductions, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7i cant say i read the whole article, but my brother received his passport 2 days ago, and it has a really thick piece of card where is photo and details are, and on the back of that theres what looks like a copper wire going into the card.
Its a British passport, is this what is in it? - linuxhansl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8How long will it be until in the name of security we'll all be forced to get an RFID chip implanted under the skin? Preferably with automatic pain inducer for use by law enforcement.
- Darth_tater, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8you can also use an old disposable camera to fry them... take a coil of ~ 200 wraps arround a small dowel and attach the coil to the flash tube of the camera. instant RFID zapper
- shirosamurai, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Glad I just got mine a few months ago. Nothing like being tagged and tracked like an animal...
- aiken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@Bigcat: Um, there's this link at the very top to the actual article that explains what Schneier sees as the issues with RFID passports. Click the link. Read the article. That's kind of the whole point of Digg, ya know?
- alrahman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Big Brother state.
'nuff said. - ductions, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7ive just looked at the passport again, and its a round rectangle of copper wire, which connects to what looks like a small black chip of some sort.
- exsst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yeah, technology will be the death of us I reckon... bit weird, maybe that the human race will go extinct because the nature of our evolution that decided to make us very smart.
If we still lived in the stone age, we'd still be living.. instead we are destroying ourselves for the sake of a few people (powerful rich men) - etandrib, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I love this line:
"It is as ridiculous to think that passport security will remain secure for that long as it would be to think that you won't see another security update for Microsoft Windows in that time."
LOL! - b05q, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The difference between an RFID passport and a non-RFID passport is that you have a choice whether or not you offer your info to someone with a non-RFID passport. You don't have a choice with the RFID, you aren't even aware it's being collected.
If you think it's a little over-sensitive to sweat this, remember that nation-states have a long and consistent track record of abusing practically every form of power their citizens surrender to them.
but hey, at least their not requiring them to be subcutaneous . . . . yet. - harmlessinc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Please don't mod down thecrystalship just because you don't know what they are talking about.
Links for more information on the topic of long range bluetooth connections:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/04/bluetooth_snipe.html
http://www.tomsnetworking.com/2005/03/08/how_to_bluesniper_pt1/ - Klaue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5not the best idea.
foil may be good now, but (like it was allready said) not any longer
a company (forgot the name) developed a sort of "foil" which is designed to block rfid. if you could understand german, you could buy one here: https://shop.foebud.org/product_info.php/cPath/30/products_id/130 (it's for the new german passport which has also RFID in it) - terrab0t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5We got your magnet store right here:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/whereisit.cgi?t=magnets&x=13&y=12
The curiously strong magnets should do the trick. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@cal01
What about bluetooth, it is only supposed to work within a few feet, but there are hackers who can access it from over a mile. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It tells other people who you are, and where you are. That's enough privacy invasion for me.
- koguma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Shouldn't be a problem with a little marring from the microwave. I accidently sent my passport through a washing machine while out of country. It was still accepted even though it looked like s**t and 90% of the stamps were washed out. I got asked about it during the customs check.. I said it got wet, and shrugged. What can they do? Not let you back in the country? If you're a citizen you can have a big chunk of poop on your passport and they still have to let you in.
- ascharf85, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6First of all RFID can be used as a good technology, it could also be used to track (which of course is bad.)
However, these RFID tags in the passport are not able to constantly track the person. Shipping companies would benefit greatly from this technology.
The only way the person would be tracked is if there was a RFID tag reader within about 25 feet (I believe) and which there would have to be constant RFID readers in place to track the person. Although some battery powered RFIDs can reach satellites (or so I read).
I dont like the idea of the government tracking me (as I got my Passport last year for this reason, though I thought I was told that it was already implemented then...but anyways)...People should not worry about being tacked, since most people do not carry a passport with them even if it could reach a satellite connection.
Also this will take 20 years to implement, because Passports are good for that lifespan for needing to renew. - Zonkzor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The tin-foil trick isn't going to last far past the first generation of RFID. There are already new versions in development that can broadcast right through it.
- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They are phasing it in over time. So it might not be too late, but you probably won't know beforehand.
- jenmo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There is a magnet store in Vegas called Magnet Maximus.
Can't find a company website, but here is an article about the design of the store:
http://www.ddimagazine.com/displayanddesignideas/search/article_display.jsp?schema=&vnu_content_id=1002801484&WebLogicSession=RNwjaXhSt6jLQ4pPKytozWBFa0U8iZdbV8svSqMI1Z7r1COfsiEz%7C534585802538612586/177738805/6/7005/7005/7002/7002/7005/-1 - jaymzjulian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Faraday Cage ftw!
- bobbybobington, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If worse comes to worse you can always jump the border(if your going to mexico or canada) or sailboat to where ever you want to go right?
*i must admit if you said that we'd have rfid chips in 2006 ten years ago people would probably call you a conspiracy theorist.* - Wisgary, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Ha, I wonder how they'd respond to people microwaving their chips. Thanks, if I ever have a passport with an RFID tag on it I'll think about doing either that or the foil wrap thing. What might worry me about the whole fry-your-chip thing is if a passport without a working RFID chip is not considered valid and you need to go through the whole process of getting a new passport again. That would suck balls.
- Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Your microwave must be really weak. 20 secs in my microwave would ball the thing up as there's a lot of plastic/synthetic material on a passport (uk ones that is). Maybe 1 or 2 seconds.
- EricTheGrey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3tikistyle: "Ironic..I just applied for my passport this morning (NY), and then read this article this afternoon. Good timing? Me thinks yes."
Yea, I was thinking the same until I got to the end of the article and saw this:
"The Colorado passport office is already issuing RFID passports, and the State Department expects all U.S. passport offices to be doing so by the end of the year."
I live in Colorado, and submitted my passport application just last month. I guess I'll have to research ways of disabling them. I'm not too keen on letting just anybody get into whatever information might be on it.
At the very least, I'll find something to carry it in, so it's not broadcasting to everybody.
EtG - koguma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Easy solution. A degausser will disable the chip and leave no marks. They aren't cheap, but a tape degausser may do the trick. Last resort might be the 'really big' magnet...
- Klaue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2cashless? the european bank is planning to adding rfid-chips to normal bills.. so no need to wait until we go cashless..
Eaglefire:
you're not the first one with that idea.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=49byH2zSATg - exsst, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If you're in UK, youll get an rfid passport... but errr... the chip isn't the problem.. it's the databse which everyone wil be on if they apply in october.. so, UK peeps, if you wanna get out of the database, just apply now, before the end of september, even better - this Monday.
Oh and just to clarify, the database will be interlinked with the US, so, many companies will be able to trade your details and so on, and that's the main problem.. companies trade details all the time for cash. - d00fy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Show me your papers!
This 1.5hr long google video explains the bigger picture.
http://www.digg.com/videos_people/One_Nation_Under_Siege - Eaglefire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
- Web_Weasel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2And how long after that will you be questioned by the police for not having one readable when they drive by?
- lindsayadams, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2New Australian passports have been using RFID for most of this year
- d00fy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Passports are just one thing. Wait until society goes cashless (completely).
(Fast check-outs in stores & gas pumps [key chains]) and vehicle keys [again attached to your key chain]. It's one thing to have a UHF proof wallet, it's another to have to have your jeans lined similarly.
If you want to make money, start making faraday pocket liners, UHF proof shealthsinserts for passportswallets. And novelty tin foil hats for all the morons who think this ***** is still a wacky conspiracy. - justo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@nogami
yeah, it's the western setting sun model, treating symptoms instead of prevention and getting to the source before stuff happens.
but if they're aware it's just a patch, maybe they'll recognize that patches ultimately fail when the tracking does. they'll need to think to try something different - d00fy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1UK,AUS,US - then likely Canada.
- Battlecry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm going in on monday to get my US passport...How long do you think I'll have to wait for it to arrive?
- ChrisRX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Doesn't an RFID chip only transmit what it says though, as in an ID. The customs take your ID from the RFID and look up the rest of the details on their database thingy.
I find it highly unlikely that they would put all your details into the RFID -
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