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- Zaxcomp, on 10/12/2007, -16/+170First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics
and I did not speak out
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me. - newanon, on 10/12/2007, -7/+135then again, they shouldn't be able to collect evidence this way
- Pic0, on 10/12/2007, -3/+130This is *****.
The FBI has the ability to turn on a mic on my phone to hear what is going on yet I can't make a clear call from inside a building... wtf? - Zinite, on 10/12/2007, -3/+77police state.
- katyggls, on 10/12/2007, -7/+80@ valkyries
"Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall soon have neither." --Benjamin Franklin - CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -29/+101the american people need to rise up and overthrow the US government already
- Zonkzor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+57It's a cell phone. Take a wild guess.
- blackax, on 10/12/2007, -4/+57Sorry i like my privacy. And none has the right to invade it! You might want to take a look at the 4th amendment some time. I have nothing to hide but i don't want what i say on public record.
- fatcat, on 10/12/2007, -24/+71Why wasnt this used to find James Kim? I'm sure with working at Cnet he would have had access to the latest and greatest phones.
- Zero2aHero, on 10/12/2007, -4/+50So let's make a checklist....
- habeus corpus... gone
- right to read our emails whenever they want
- NSA spying on all of our phone calls
- and now potentially listening even when we aren't on the phone
What's left? - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43Pfftt...BS mostly because theres no way that my carrier wouldn't try to charge me for the data upload.
- mc7winkie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39Watching you piss???
- valkyries, on 10/12/2007, -53/+86err if i get kid napped, and have a phone that has the ability to track were i am, id kinda like to have them find me....
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -6/+36Because it took forever for any signal to be detected.
As soon as it was, they found his family in short order. - LowRentDiggs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32I think that's the point. Anyone who is doing illegal stuff would unplug the phone and put it on the front porch (or get a 1956 rotary phone). The rest of us could be spied on for no reason.
- clawoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30Wow... I mean, wow... We had this kind of practice in Romania 30-40 years ago at the apogee of the communist era, but damn, you guys should be sure as hell you don't want to go in the direction this administration is tricking you into. The moment the government interferes with your own private life and it tries to spy, monitor and control it, that is the perfect time to shove a foot in its mouth and put it back where it belongs. Nothing ever good comes when a civil liberty is trampled on by a government.
For your own protection? That's what my people were told 50 years ago. - clubmasta2, on 10/12/2007, -11/+38This is hardly the worst thing the FBI is doing, none the less it's pretty bad and it's been going on for years.
- mathchemist, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29Morons that make the argument that thefutureisours makes are sheep. They don't realize that this is the central mode of control in the US: To make us feel small and pathetic so that we willingly give up our freedoms in the name of security. It always turns out that doing this does not make us more secure, it makes us trapped into being subservient to the people we give up our freedom to.
Privacy is a very basic thing to human beings. Just ask any woman if she would allow you to look inside her purse. 100% of the time she'll say "Hell no". And her reason for saying so is not that she is a terrorist trying to hide something, it's because she doesn't want to give away her right to privacy.
If I have to give up my privacy to live in security, then I'd rather not live. - Shak, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30Can someone say police state?
- LenzM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Not Nietzsche, it was Martin Niemöller
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came... - eizooo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21there was years ago a modded nokia 8310 (or similar) which could be called by a defined number and then phone doesn't ring, accepted the call and the caller could listen and spy. the phone didn't show any change on its screen.
- mc7winkie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Mormons???
- Huevoos, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25@ valkyries
Well, then just put a gps on your cellphone, or beneath your skin, because that's no good reason to spy on your conversations.
It's things like these the ones that make me be thankful for living in a "3rd World Country" - AngryBoy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20@fatcat
"Why wasnt (sic) this used to find James Kim?"
It was! An engineer for the local wireless company tracked the cell phone signals to a narrow region, but the authorities didn't do anything with that information for a couple days.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,237988,00.html - erikpemberton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18WHY do people continue to link to stupid middleman pages rather than the original story??? This link is already failing due to the Digg effect, but the original story is on ABC News!!! The folks at SlashGear shouldn't have to pay the bandwidth costs because you don't know how to submit a story correctly!!!
- jongens, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21bluetooth? you're kidding, right?
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21valkyries wrote: "last time i checked it didn't seem Benjamin Franklin had people running around kidnapping other people and threating to cut off there heads, or suicide bombers running around and blowing them selfs up in cafes"
And modern-day America does? Where? - ShitStorm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18absolutely the best post in this thread.
- dotdan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I, for one, welcome Big Brot--
oh, wait, no I don't. - computerdude33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Not being able to rip our own CDs and DVDs, restrictions on what we can watch and listen to, proprietary voting machines, etc.
- Zonkzor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Where is this guy's sources? From what I've heard about that mob investigation they probably pushed a java applet to the phone through the cell network that activated the microphone as a bug. Nothing about any spy chip.
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13[tinfoil hat]
Arrange with the FBI to have more access to your phone and I bet they'll boost your reception....
[/tinfoil hat] - masgrada, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15In soviet russia, phone listens to you!
- sancho, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12This does more than intercept phone calls--this (allegedly) turns on the microphone when the phone isn't otherwise actively being used. It's truly a bug rather than a tap.
The privacy implications aren't super staggering, though they are a little unnerving. Imagine if the government allowed bugs in every car, in every room of your house, in fact, EVERYWHERE, but they required a warrant in order to listen. That, effectively, is what this ruling allows.
It's scary because if the government needs approval to even place the bugs, there's less possibility for illicit use. The government can't listen in, get the evidence they need, and then try to convince a judge to allow it (which activist judges might allow). They can't just listen in on private conversations for kicks, or to find dissenters who aren't actually breaking the law. Each of these types of eavesdropping would be made easier if the bugs are all already there--if someone had to get a judge's approval to place the bug in the first place, they'd never get approval without a reasonable cause. - bluesdealer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"last time i checked it didn't seem Benjamin Franklin had people running around kidnapping other people and threating to cut off there heads, or suicide bombers running around and blowing them selfs up in cafes"
No, but the Revolutionary period did have British nationalists in America who spied and sabotaged colonial efforts as a favor to help the British government overpower the American colonies. Don't buy into the propaganda that we're living in a purely unique era. Society has always dealt with terrorist threats and irrational extremists fighting for one cause or another. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either ignorant of history or trying to rewrite history. "Who controls the past... controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." - George Orwell, 1984 - newanon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11ya that makes more sense, but then the question is how far outside of the us does this extend?
- dire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/12/can_you_hear_me.html for the original source for those who hate jumping through hoops to get to the point as much as I do.
- nj12nets, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13the phones arent manufactured in the US anyway so an import is the same hardware as the domestic version so in reality hte FBI will most likely be able to use the same technique to do their tracking and spying. no matter what its still the fbi, theyll do what they want.
- GrayOne, on 10/12/2007, -16/+25I can't beleieve it!!!!!111! First the NSA can track us with satilites after they kill a Senator and we get a tape of it. NOW the stupid FBI can hear us on our cell phoneS!!!! I was just watching a documentary film called Deja Vu with Denzel Washington in it and it turns out that the FBI can also use worm holes to see anything in the past! DID YOU KNOW THAT!
I had to brake my Nike Ipod thing with a hammer yesterday because I thought agents were tracking me!!
I think I am just going to wrap myself in lead foil and live in a shed in the woods.
This article is nothing but unsubstantiated FUD - p0und, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9cellular antennas perhaps?
- Arkonnan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Do they come to take away political dissidents in the middle of the night yet?
- phasm42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8None of you seem to understand that this is simply a SOFTWARE change, not a hardware one. All the carriers have to do is push out an update to add a backdoor and they're done.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I work in the telcom industry, and I can say this is absolutely true.
This is part of "lawful intercept" or LI technology.
There is a complicated hierarchy of specifications, NONE of which are supposed to be available to the public in any country, that describe all of the places in the global telecom system where law enforcement can intercept traffic.
Note that this is for law enforcement. Intelligence agencies can use the same or similar methods, or they can roll their own. An example of this is that LI requires 1% of all data traffic in a GGSN (a mobile data router) can be put under surveillance. In fact, all routers that have a fastpath can duplicate all traffic on a NIC to another NIC - that is, they can send 100% of traffic to be monitored. I don't know if they have kept up with the growth of the Internet, but, at one point, the NSA operated a "parallel Internet" that could backhaul substantially all Internet traffic for sniffing. The difference is due in part to the requirement that LI be undetectable by the network operator. The relationship with intelligence agencies is different, so the requirements are different.
Can the FBI turn your phone on and listen to what is going on in your house. ***** yeah.
Do you think the use of this technology is controlled by warrants? Ask yourself what other surveillance is no longer controlled by warrants. Big Brother is in your house. Now. - threedaymonk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@UxPx: That quote isn't from Nietszche; it's from Martin Niemöller.
Edit: oops, beaten to it by LenzM. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8This is freaking absurd! This is a violation of US laws...
- alchemista, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Umm... the UK is worse with privacy than US
http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd%5B347%5D=x-347-545224 - dopesick, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13I'll pistol whip the next mother ***** who says that.
- v0lrath, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9How do they fit the FBI into the phone though??
- FlaG8r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The problem is that they define the 'bad guys'. John Lennon and Martin Luther King were the 'bad guys' they were spying on a few decades back.
- geowrian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8The GPS chip allows tracking in the event of a 911 call being terminated prematurely (or the user doesn't know where he/she is). The GPS chip doesn't turn on your microphone and listen to what you are saying (sending it to the FBI as well) without your knowledge. GPS is for tracking, not audio reception.
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