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- pinab, on 10/12/2007, -4/+128I love the EFF. FIghting the man every day.
- shiftless, on 10/12/2007, -3/+85This explains why my yellow is at 20% and everything else is at 40%!
- akira117, on 10/12/2007, -8/+71Whats a super bowl?
Cereal eating contest? - jdaniel284, on 10/12/2007, -9/+70Police State.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+63Anyone know if it's possible to
A.) Turn this off to save ink
B.) Modify the information the printer spits out for fun and profit. - greenmt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+62Printing in color cost more than you thought.
- avcore, on 10/12/2007, -10/+64I thought they cracked this a VERY long time ago...
- dahitman2389, on 10/12/2007, -4/+51Either way it is pretty ***** up.
- Yoweigh, on 10/12/2007, -13/+53Well at least it's a good thing that the feds are keeping tabs on Greenpeace. Them's some crazy mofos.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+36Somebody has waaaaay too much time on their hands to whine and complain on the internet.
- Sabin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28You can't turn it off or modify it. You actually can see the dots if you looks closely enough but they are VERY hard to see. I output a "blank" sheet on my Docucolor 8000 at work and scanned it a few months ago. Then i upped the contrast and the dots showed right up. If the dot pattern is the same on every single sheet (i haven't checked it yet) then it might be possible to save a form on your RIP (i know you can do this with Fiery and the latest DocuSP software) that will add extra dots and interfere with the patter that the machine produces. If on the other hand the machine automatically changes the size of the patter slightly on every page then it would be impossible to do this.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Yep. This is at least 15 months old...
http://digg.com/hardware/EFF_Cracks_Secret_Service_Code - burke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23In Soviet russia, Soviet Russia jokes are still cool.
- cornfry182, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16That wasn't editorializing or speculation guys, click the link at the top of the article that says 'Machine Identification Code Technology project', or just go to http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/ .. The FBI has in fact been using this for years.
- navaburo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15hey, imho if it gets dugg to the front page, it must be of current interest. So, dup or not, the story deserves do be there.
- Cheeseness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14@Avalontor
If it's still relevant enough for people to want to digg it, then it's not 'old news'.
If everybody's heard it before and doesn't want a bar of it, it won't get dugg.
So, if you don't like it, don't digg it (or report it, whichever suits you), but don't assume that what's 'old news' to you is just as worthless to everyone else. Community has more letters in it than 'I'. - MysticalRecord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12@broomett - Although the page the submitter linked was just technical information about the tracking codes in the Xerox DocuColor series of printers that page is just one part of the EFF's section on printers. The main page at http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/ does state - "The ACLU recently issued a report revealing that the FBI has amassed more than 1,100 pages of documents on the organization since 2001, as well as documents concerning other non-violent groups, including Greenpeace and United for Peace and Justice. In the current political climate, it's not hard to imagine the government using the ability to determine who may have printed what document for purposes other than identifying counterfeiters."
The submitters summary seems to be in reference to the main page and not the page he linked to, so maybe he should have linked to the main page instead or been more clear in his summary. But what he put in the summary is directly from the EFF's website. - BlackCow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@tralalaa
He is an ***** for posting the score in a completely unrelated topic. - Nerys, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Because its wrong and I did not get a choice or knowledge. I see this as unwarrented search which is a violation of the 4th amendmant and seeing as they are using it for MORE than counterfeiting (useless for this BTW since all they have to do is throw away the printer destroying it first after each batch or interval)
this also makes it a first amendment violation (chilling effect)
So 2 questions. is this IN the firmware or is it in the DRIVERS ? whichever we need to start getting hackers to reverse engineer the firmware or drivers and rewrite them to remove or obfuscate this information. - elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Yeah, those horseshoes totally kicked the capital C's asses.
- crimson117, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@VorpalK
This is more like the FBI applying secret ink to your fingers without your consent so they can keep track of you --- regardless of whether or not you've committed a crime. And if they wanted to take actual fingerprints from a scene of a crime, they would need a search warrant.
Just like with AT&T wiretapping everyone, this is more corporations colluding with the government to spy on its people. America is tired of being investigated and searched and data-mined as if we were all terrorists. - Ragnar0k, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Even though I live in the UK, just because "they're worse than us" isn't a valid excuse in any form.
If a Spanish serial killer kills 17 victims, but your local neighbourhood murder only killed 16, would you tell everyone "Boo ***** hoo"? You have to hold yourself to set standards, not relative ones.
``Ragnarok - DoraLives, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Rely on it.
- XZanatos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7SOOOooooo....
How about I print a blank page from someone else's printer, when its a good time to frame them for something, then take MY printer, remove the yellow ink, print something incriminating and frame them for it. Oh yeah, blackmail time. - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8We need class action lawsuit! They either need to reimburse us for the cost of the ink or just stop doing it all together.
- sdphost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It's old but still relevant.
well unless they have a new code which i'm sure they do. - deadzone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I print everything on yellow paper. Take that, FBI!
- Rictamilk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This lists all of the printers that do or do not do this
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/list.php - cornfry182, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6click the link at the top of the article that says 'Machine Identification Code Technology project', or just go to http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/ .. The FBI has in fact been using this for years.
- Sep11insidejob, on 10/12/2007, -15/+20How many ***** does it take to call this story old?
I missed it. This is the first time I see this. - mlw4428, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Wonder if companies of other products put stuff in for the FBI to track us...
- freezervv, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Dugg for humor. :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11i thought it was a superball?
- Sabin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Realistically the cost of the toner would only be a couple of dollars per hundred thousand impressions. On top of that, most high end xerox equipment is covered under a service plan where you pay xerox a set cost for every page you print and in exchange your service, parts and toner are free.
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Shall we all start posting the scores of local sports events irrelevantly on digg threads, or not?
- Dhalsim007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Argh...That's very selective using Greenpeace and UPJ in the digg post text. Actually, it's to prevent money counterfeiting from high-quality laser and inkjets. Sometimes there are GOOD reasons for this kind of tech.
- holydope, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6you print porn?
lame
and i didn't even dig you down - SSX4life, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12In soviet Russia......printer tracks you!
I couldn't resist... sry
>_ - zdlatham, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3inaccurate. It's primary function is for the secret service to track counterfeiting.
picking two lefty orgs as an example shows bias - they aren't even mentioned in the article. Neither is NSA or FBI. - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Does this apply to printers sold overseas too just because of a random foreign agency's demands?
It's just that to me, that would be about as ridiculous as if the Russian FSB had this feature on e.g. American printers.
Can any government agency demand this and get their will through if their reason is deemed good enough?
If they're sold internationally and not just national "mods", who decides if the reason is good enough? - groverblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I wonder if 15 is region/nation.
- VesperDEM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They did!
- tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They cracked the code in the older sense of "crack", "to decipher (a code)", not the newer sense, "hack maliciously".
- nogami, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2And if you register your colour laser printer after purchase for the warranty, they can track it right back to you...
(even without registering, they could probably track down the store it was purchased from, and if you paid with anything but cash, track you down that way from the store's inventory system). - tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/
Better now? RTFC! - celotil, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Okay, so, as far as I know, all commercial inkjet/bubblejet/colour laser printers do this, so what would happen if you sold printers that _didn't_ do this?
The only reason to mark print-outs is to track what gets printed by what printer, so what if some company in China or Taiwan decided, "Hey, we don't give a ***** what you print, so we're not going to waste our time and money putting this extra ***** into our printers."? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Because it *might* be used to print money, they still track you when you print a recipe, a midterm, or a design spec.
That's analogous to having to register to use a book because someone smacked someone else over the head with it.
Say no to the brother... the BIG brother. - BeerRules, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@crimson117
Actually there is no warrant needed to life your finger prints from a crime scene, the warrant is needed to get your finger prints to make the comparison.
On an off note the FBI has been doing a lot more other things then printing a dot code on your printer, which yes is used to track people once they've become of interest. I doubt there are any constitutional Issues or else this would have gone before the Supreme Court, not to say one day it won't, but as of right now there is nothing illegal about it. And by the way just as an FYI the FBI does not investigate counterfeit money, that belongs to the Department of Treasury and a sub organization below them called the Secret Service. Another note it's not just used for tracking green peace in fact I don't know that the FBI is or is not investigating them, but it also goes to help track terrorist cells, kidnappers, death threats, and so on. The question we have to draw as a nation is where is the line is the sand, is it worth this technology to find a 3 year old who was kidnapped, to find a terrorist organization who is plotting another bombing, or do the rights of these people to live and prosper get out weighed by peoples want to not have the government tracking them. Also before I go I love this quote.
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security" - Benjamin Franklin - Kale, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The two "lefty orgs" ARE mentioned in another article. It's mentioned above.
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