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- IamNomad, on 04/29/2009, -3/+69That awesome. their basicly going to delete logs and turn of logging for IP assignments.
I think some US ISPs should be taking notes. - RAEP, on 04/29/2009, -0/+46This is really amazing to me. In the US the ISP clientbase would be sold out to the law within minutes, whereas in Sweden it seems the ISPs are working hard to protect their customers from the law.
- bakamas, on 04/29/2009, -4/+33I like how the anti piracy group brings up child porn because they know no one gives a ***** about their main reason for opposing this.
- aramova, on 04/29/2009, -1/+26FTA: "Starting on Tuesday, Tele 2 will destroy records of IP addresses after they’ve been processed for internal use. "
I know you have an account, I just don't know what you've done with it. Give me $15 by the 1st, kthx bye. - Tigerdaz, on 04/29/2009, -1/+24Where these idiot Anti-Piracy people keep losing more and more respect is they are completely incapable of distinguishing between LEGAL & ILLEGAL file sharing, every law they push through has a blanket impact on all types of file sharing traffic i.e. torrent as the main example.
They seem incapable of accepting there is tonnes of legit reasons to use this same technology such as, why all the major Linux distros use use torrents to distribute their DVD downloads. Also movie producers who have no interest in region coding or making profit from there work.
Every time they use the CHILD PORNOGRAPHY argument they look more and more like idiots who have no understanding of how the internet works and how various technologies are deployed. People who are into child porn and it's distribution while completely despicable people are generally NOT idiots. They don't use their home ADSL connection with unencrypted traffic and lead the ISP & Police straight to their house do they ????
The same argument applies to terrorist laws & they use the same argument for this. The same rule applies that while terrorists are almost always despicable they also are NOT IDIOTS. What governments and large corporates are really doing is using a ***** arguments that will have zero impact in tracking down the real hardcore people. But will enable them to log and spy on all their respective countries citizens or customers for their own private agenda knowing that what they are doing will not impact at all on child abusers or terrorists. - BlackJackJester, on 04/29/2009, -5/+27"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." - Ben Franklin.
While child pornography is abhorrent, there are many other ways of tracking down and arresting those who partake in illegal online activities other than track their IP's. I feel this could open doors to censorship and lack of privacy that really should remain closed. - The5nowman, on 04/29/2009, -1/+18Well now I know which ISP I'll use if I ever move to Sweden...
- TrancePhreak, on 04/29/2009, -0/+15Sadly we have laws that say they must keep logs.
- henrik.falk, on 04/29/2009, -3/+15"A police official told TT that this could have a serious impact, not only on law enforcement’s bid to crack down on internet pirates, but also on other criminal investigations."
Maybe banning internet piracy isn't such a great thing then? - vpshockwave, on 04/29/2009, -1/+11I think you overanalyzed the article a bit much.
- inactive, on 04/29/2009, -1/+11America? Land of the Free? lol
- Radan, on 04/29/2009, -0/+10No, they are not required to keep data of their customers. Such law is being discussed, but it does not exist, yet.
- AtanasNenov, on 04/29/2009, -0/+10"where do you get the notion that you are entitled to privacy"
Umm...basic human rights and freedoms? the constitution? - brickbat, on 04/29/2009, -0/+10RTFA
- CVL4317, on 04/29/2009, -1/+10if not because of child pornography, how do you think those narrow minded people pushing internet censorship?
- AtanasNenov, on 04/29/2009, -0/+9"They're by law required to save records of all connections and all mails their customers get for two years"...yea I think you've mistaken Sweden with the USA...there's no obligation in IPRED or any other swedish law to keep records of customers, people do not live in a bigbrother society over there...and RIAA can suck it btw, they have no business sticking their nose over there.
- inactive, on 04/29/2009, -0/+9CP is a red herring. The guy who's mentions it is from the Swedish Anti-Piracy Bureau, for God's sake.
Oh, and in b4 Pedobear. - masterstghm, on 04/29/2009, -3/+11This is how my internets should be.
- inactive, on 04/29/2009, -0/+8If you don't where one should get the "notion"for privacy, then you shouldn't even be part of this conversation showing your lack of insight!
And the answer is "DNS Tracking" you dumbass!!!
- http://www.pimall.com/nais/news/n.cpont.html -
Damn you suck! - BigVi, on 04/29/2009, -0/+7Because of the EU they will have to keep logs for 6 months as of this fall.
- dsmx, on 04/29/2009, -1/+8Then just ignore it, if all companies ignore it the law will be unworkable.
- inactive, on 04/29/2009, -0/+6Exactly, IP !=Person behind the computer.
And likewise, there was a big terrorist round up in the UK about a month ago. Guess what they swooped down on? An internet café. No self respecting terrorist/pedo (Lol, oxymoron) would be dumb enough to use his OWN computer/IP to do stuff of that magintude. - ohreilly, on 04/29/2009, -0/+6you're*
- aramova, on 04/29/2009, -3/+8Only risk to this is if they seize the servers while still functioning and cross reference the assigned IPs to the cable modem (DSL, whatever) MAC addresses (Odds are thats how the company will keep billing records, so they can shut off service for non-payment, or warranty cards, etc). This would take someone who knows a bit about systems, but if that ISP becomes a hot bed of pirate activity, these idiots might just do it to try to make a point.
This of course makes two assumptions, First the cops have logs of an IP address who's commited a crime (fake seeders, something Peer Guardian helps protect against), and second can act quickly enough and prove the DHCP assignment is still valid for that IP.
Still, an awesome move by the ISP - johnsmith555, on 04/29/2009, -3/+8Awesome
- inactive, on 04/29/2009, -1/+6Thanks for bringing up irrelevant facts there.. sounds like you are hiding behind the old you must be have your privacy invaded because you MIGHT commit copyright infringement because P2P use is mostly abused.. yeah..that's 100% sense.. because it's abused.. it means that YOU must be monitored.. and have ALL your information stolen.. like bank records and personal emails and phone calls.. gee.. I guess you've never heard of identity theft, fraud and industrial espionage, profiling.. the list goes on..
You have what is commonly referred to as EPIC LOGIC FAILURE...
Hows this for an idea that will warp your fragile little mind.. I will copyright all information about myself and personal info that exists about me on the net and in the world .. if anyone copies it without my apporval.. they are committing copyright infringement.. and if the ISPs give out my info they are enabling copyright infringement.. so I should be able to take them and the RIAA to court and they should get jail time.. just like the Pirate Bay.. would that make you happy? - LeviTheSmith, on 04/29/2009, -0/+4***** off. Why do people spam Flickr links?
- sndream, on 04/29/2009, -0/+4If it's about CP, then they should shut down the church first.
- inactive, on 04/29/2009, -2/+6Stop acting like your dense, unless you are!
- myuu, on 04/29/2009, -0/+4Please research before speaking: RIAA v. Verizon (http://epic.org/privacy/copyright/verizon/)
- jazduck, on 04/29/2009, -2/+5What's an intenret?
- Junkyarddawg, on 04/29/2009, -5/+8If Tele2 do this they're bordering on breaking Swedish internet law. They're by law required to save records of all connections and all mails their customers get for two years; if Tele2 removes the connection to who used what dynamic IP when, it makes the data useless for RIAA and the police, and definitely violate the intent, if not the letter, of the law.
That said, I applaud their action, but I think the only result will be that the language of the IPRED law is amended to prohibit this. - Blashy, on 04/29/2009, -0/+3Does not subscribing to a VPN service resolve any of these issues? Especially if the VPN is not in the same country?
Yes it has a cost (free ones have crappy bandwidth) but at 40$ USD for a year, why not? - inactive, on 04/29/2009, -0/+3I love the EU. But when it pulls ***** stunts, like this one, it hurts me, because it does it absolutely no favours for it's popularity and pisses off everyone in sight. Everyone with a brain doesn't want it, and the ones without a brain want it extended.
- 0tis, on 04/29/2009, -0/+3In other news, Digg has been asked to hand over the IPs of everyone who dugg this article.
- Radan, on 04/29/2009, -0/+3It's true, but all hope is not lost. So far we Swedes have been quite eager to bitch about anything EU does, and there has already been made a lot of exceptions for our sake (like for example our state controlled liquor monopoly; Systembolaget). Hopefully, someone from our beloved government will come to their senses and stop this.
- dsmx, on 04/29/2009, -0/+3Technically speaking even if the EU passes a law it still has to passed by the individual nations governemnts to become law. So technically speaking countries can chose to just ignore it.
- Oddish, on 05/05/2009, -0/+3And we (Sweden) will have a similar law by fall 2009. But until then, Torrentleech here I come!
- WCJessie, on 05/02/2009, -0/+3Very cool, but I think I'll continue to use my VPN, sometimes even a couple of connections back to back just in case.
http://www.wildtunnel.com - fuzzy889, on 04/29/2009, -0/+3Hey, good thing I have Tele2.
- Greengoo, on 04/29/2009, -0/+2Analysts?
- JohnEHubertz, on 04/29/2009, -0/+2Child Pornography is a Red Herring issue that justifies Govt intervention and tracking of people's life of the mind.
Just as slavery justified federalism - a scourge we are now having to deal with
Just as WMDs justified Iraq
Just as the War on Drugs and Terror justified making our constitutional BoR provisions into inky toilet paper.
Always follow the only question - ask yourself "why".
They make landmines - no possibility LE issues and child porn are their agenda. - FreddieD, on 04/29/2009, -0/+1https://torrentprivacy.com/
They have Canada as an option as well as US or Europe. It's not a VPN service, but really it's just a glorified SSH tunnel that you proxy your p2p traffic through. - Blashy, on 04/29/2009, -0/+1So what if it is a US or EU one?
Witopia for example does not keep logs, they have US and UK servers. - kkm3, on 04/29/2009, -0/+1so Verizon gave RIAA a "404 not found" when they asked for records?
- AtanasNenov, on 04/29/2009, -0/+1That's not really true...there are areas of competences of the EU where EU law takes precedence over the country's laws. In these areas the EU passes directives and they are binding for all members states. The only way out is to vote for politicians who cherish civil liberties *cough* Pirate Party *cough* at the next EU parliament elections in June.
- inactive, on 04/29/2009, -0/+1Actually, as a result of the Factortame case, EU law has precedence over British law, at least in the UK.
*A Level Politics to the rescue* - inactive, on 04/29/2009, -0/+1If you know of decent VPN providers outside either the US or the EU that have customer anonymity/privacy in mind do tell us.
- aramova, on 04/29/2009, -0/+1Just pointing out that as good as this is, and as much hype as this might generate, it's not fool proof, and people should still be careful with their traffic. Use what you can to protect yourself.
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