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- xerus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+322I'm sure that the Los Angeles court has a lot of power over the Netherlands.
- Azimuth1, on 10/11/2007, -8/+255*Sets sail for The Pirate Bay*
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -31/+142Meh, who uses TorrentSpy anyway...
noobs - AZooYorkMystery, on 10/11/2007, -1/+105I guess it really is a torrentspy now.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+99This is likely to affect seeders more than downloaders. I suspect they want to get at the source of what they consider the problem.
- arcooke, on 10/11/2007, -11/+97I saw this coming a long time ago. Anyone remember my old digg topic here: http://digg.com/security/TorrentSpy_users_beware_Something_fishy_s_going_on
(old nickname, got banned and came back ;) )
I've always had a feeling TorrentSpy was shady. I've disliked the owners of that site for a long time. - Dpack1, on 10/11/2007, -5/+90"Yo ho, altogether, hoist the colours high, heave ho, theives and beggars, never shall we die"
The song has been sung. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+72Buried as inaccurate.
"TorrentSpy has promised in its privacy policy never to track visitors without their consent. "It is likely that TorrentSpy would turn off access to the U.S. before tracking its users," [TorrentSpy's Attorney] said. "If this order were allowed to stand, it would mean that Web sites can be required by discovery judges to track what their users do even if their privacy policy says otherwise." - davidrools, on 10/11/2007, -2/+67If this does go through, let's all log onto TorrentSpy and search for things like: public domain movies, open source stuff, and free/independent music...And a billion searches for "***** the MPAA"...put that in your court records and smoke it.
- Shayer, on 10/11/2007, -4/+65Crap...I just used that yesterday
- FullMetalMonkey, on 10/11/2007, -13/+70Demonoid.com!
- xtmno3, on 10/11/2007, -6/+62@fkr3 (#7104052) said: "It's funny how everybody justifies piracy and scoffs at the RIAA's (admittedly questionable) efforts to combat it.
But nobody's got the balls to admit they do it if there's going to be a log."
Thats like saying no one has the balls to jump into a shark tank strapped to a bleeding pig. People know better... - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+44keyboard - You do realize that BitLord is just a nasty ad-ridden ripped off version of BitComet don't you?!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+47Btjunkie.org
- Ashex, on 10/11/2007, -3/+40Seriously people, this is the exact same article as is in the Digg article that has reached top 10:
http://www.digg.com/offbeat_news/TorrentSpy_Ordered_By_Federal_Judge_to_Become_MPAA_Spy
And don't say this is the non link-jacked version. That article is by torrentfreak, who add in excellent viewpoints and information. - shadus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+26It's very common among the older people who have been out of the scene for a while... mostly because of the old ircspy.
- hack124x768, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23Use the site for legal things then. Download ISOs of linux, homebrew DC games, etc. Just don't give them what they want.
- sabach, on 10/11/2007, -5/+26There's a thin line between having balls and being stupid. Which side of the line are you on, hmm?
- thatsmyaibo, on 10/11/2007, -4/+25Even if it was a governmental issue, most of this stuff is illegal. Stop acting like "the man" is trying to bring you down. I download like a fiend, but the bottom line is it's illegal.
- Urusai, on 10/11/2007, -22/+42I'm running a pirated copy of Firefox on a pirated copy of Linux right now. Piracy ftw
- sishgupta, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18I stopped using torrentspy a long time ago.
It WAS one of the best but they lost their original news feature (which was great) to a digg-copycat framework. Once this happened, the intelligence of everything on the front page dropped ten-fold.
Then they started removing and filtering torrents (complying with DMCA requests) and I knew that torrentspy and the former ircspy were truly dead.
I assume that both of these moves were in order to generate revenue, something that is hard to do with a low userbase and an illegal sitebase.
Theres a little green monster out there satisfying my BT needs now. - jodokast, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20While torrentspy.com is hosted in another country, if the owner of the site resides in the U.S a judge can order something like this.
- arcooke, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19Or just don't go to their site at all.....
- speaker219, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19I propose this thread to be "The best TorrentSpy Alternatives"
- ablez3, on 10/11/2007, -6/+22torrent spy is not in the united states
trace their IP.
i call B.S on this story. - Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -5/+21Is any of this crap making people realize who's pulling the government's strings and how much "law" their money can buy?
Wake up. Corporations are running the asylum. Half of these legislative morons couldn't even boot up a cell phone, much less figure out how to use a bittorrent client. I guarantee you this wasn't any congresscritter's idea; it came to them wrapped in campaign donations. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15why does everyone that buries the article always have to tell everyone that they buried it?
- iascoot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13They said they will ban US access before they start logging people
- kingfoot, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16its the only one i ever really used because of the simplicity... damnit!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15Oh no! The best porn tracker!
- Ramble, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14@nicksvideo
So P2P is bad because you don't get any respect or attention for being in the 'scene'.
Grow up you ***** idiot. If people wanted your malware ***** they'd get it. - Iconwolf, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12"Nobodies forced. Artists make a concsious and free decision to be represented by a major label. Nobody holds a gun to their head and makes them sign the contract."
And until just recently most of them had no real choice. Don't sign with a major label or major studio and the odds of making a good living were next to zip. to further that end the major labels have a very long and well documented history of payola scam to pay radio stations, that are increasing coming under the envelop of umbrella corporations like Clear Channel to play there artists over all others, as well as price fixing schemes like region encoding. sure that's a choice when a small handful of labels or studios manage to lock on all the distribution and marketing avenue (so that you can't even really get radio airplay to get your product out there) without basically going through them.
If the system is so good, why are so many established content providers (Janis Ian, Courtney Love, Dick Dale, The Canadian Music Coalition which includes Barenaked Ladies and Avril Laveign, Trent Reznor and more) all increasingly coming more out in opposition of that model, and an increasing number of major artists are moving to independent, non-RIAA affiliated labels? (and there main reason for doing so often seems to be that they are given some measure of control over their rights)
If their arguments are so correct, why do authors like Mercedes Lackey and R.A. Salvatore (among other) put chapter of their books online and report that sales of both current and past works increase, sometimes substantially. FOr that matter, why should I buy the arguments of an industry that has almost been consistently wrong about every argument they've put forth in the past century or more (phonographs, moving pictures, cassettes, VCRs, CDs, DVDs). In fact if you read the history of the current Hollywood studios, the used and argued for the same methods to break the "monopoly" of the major motion picture houses that the are now trying to turn around and argue is "piracy" and should be totally illegal (because they happen to be the "monopoly" now and they don't want done to them what they did to others -blah I'll have to figure out where I put the link to that one should I need it).
And why should a company like Disney, for whom the vast majority of their works are derivative of other people's works, be allowed to tie up rights to works for 50, 100, even 1,000 years when if those sames rights were retroactivated to previous content holders, they'd be sued out of business within a month? Sorry, but we're going to have to ban the sales of Mickey Mouse until the proper copyright holder (or descendant) for Steamboat Willy can be found to give permission. And Hercules is going to have to be banned until we can figure out who the hell the rightful copyright holder (descendant obviously) of that work is. And Dean Koontz should be forced to license, or be free to be sued, by whomever inherited Mary Shelly's copyright, for the Frankenstein books he's written, despite the fact those descendent have done nothing to deserve or earn that right or benefit.
I've heard the arguments, I've read the histories, I've researched the positions, and I've yet to see or hear a single argument from Big Content that really holds up under scrutiny. I do, however, see a lot of double speak, obfuscation, and often outright lies in an effort to justify a position that simply has no real merit.
You're more than welcome to try (and I've been online and spent a lot of time on many "social networks" over the years so I know that if you've been on here any length of time you likely have many allies to help support your position) but if you've come across any of my other comments on other stories you'll know I have a lot of supporting facts, opinions from extremely knowledgeable experts and people in the field, stats, figures, and other resources to back up my position.
Personally I'd rather not have to spend time conducting this debate for the umpteenth time, I have other things I'd prefer to be doing, but someone has to counter the disimformation of the content industry. - iascoot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Its been said that the MPAA etc have people in The private trackers, just watching and seeing whats going on, Just because invites are locked down wont stop them from getting in the same way you did
- pap3rw8, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13scrapetorrent.com
search all the big ones. - Iconwolf, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11"I'm sure that the Los Angeles court has a lot of power over the Netherlands."
Quite true. Most likely the best they can do is threaten to have Torrentspy blocked (if that is even technically possible, I admit I don't understand how torrent sites work very well) like they threatened to do with Spamhaus. And then try to get some EU commision or court to back their decision.
"It's funny how everybody justifies piracy and scoffs at the RIAA's (occasionally hilarious) efforts to combat it.
But nobody's got the balls to do it if there's going to be a log and consequences."
Maybe because their are plenty of legitimate uses for these services that have nothing to do with piracy. Personally I've never had a need or desire to use torrents, but I could see a few reasons I might want to at some point, and I see no reason why someone like the RIAA or MPAA should be able to have access to my personal information anytime it feels like it (and don't say they can't/won't, because that's EXACTLY what they've been continually pushing for the last few years).
Not to mention, as has been pointed out before, not everyone who scoffs at the RIAA (MPAA and such) condone piracy. In fact I'm not particularly fond of improper (and I said improper as opposed to illegal for a reason) file sharing. However, when organization force copyright owners to forfeit their rights to them, and then those organization turn around and make massive profit while tossing most of those content providers peanuts, when a band like Offspring want to put there music online and the label says no, or Fionna Apple has an album shelved because some exec "does feel a hit", or Trent Reznor has a marketing campaign sidetracked because the RIAA doesn't like it, or Fox says no to some use of The Simpsons even though Matt Groenig says OK . I have problems taking these agencies seriously. Because frankly I consider *them* bigger "pirates" and "criminals" for "stealing" other people's works then the people they are trying to prosecute regardless of how many laws and regulations they manage to buy to try to justify there positions. - Sairgem, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9No, it's not a better question. Nobody wants to read your ***** comment saying you buried the story. Bury the story and move on, there's no need to tell everyone that you did.
- Sp4nk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11I stopped using Torrentspy when they added stupid videos, Shoutwire garbage, and other useless content crapped all over their site.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11BTJunkie
Pirate Bay
Anime Suki
Mininova
Between those 4 I get all the anime I need, I guess you can use it for other stuff too... I guess - clark24, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9OH NOES!!! That means there's only about 4,458,319 places left to find pirated stuff!
- dacheetah, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13@fkr3:
> @ xtmno
> If someone wants to argue that sharks are harmless and that it should be legal to swim with them then they
> should have the balls to follow through and do it.
> Replace sharks with piracy and you've got the same albeit much less dangerous situation.
> Complete with consequences, and advocates with less balls then a female eunuch at a cube factory.
Sharks ARE usually harmless and it IS legal to swim with them, but you would still have to be pretty stupid to strap something that they like to eat to yourself and jump into a tank with one.
Piracy IS usually harmless, and there are plenty of things that justify it in MOST situations (bootlegging is not just piracy, and it's over the moral line I draw regarding piracy, the "most situations" I refer to means simply the downloading of something you otherwise wouldn't pay 4000 times the value of, most of which goes to corps like the RIAA). But even if it's justified, it doesn't mean that the consequences of posting you name, address, photo and a detailed "confession" of all your piracy is a smart thing to do. Just look at history, there are ALOT of things that you would have been killed for in the past that are now considered rights. (Freedom of religion for example, you used to get killed as a heretic for simply openly believing something other than what the mainstream sheep believed. Would it be considered smart, or "ballsy" to worship your superior deity openly if it would get you killed?) - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Its one of the few places I can easily find certain content (TV shows). I don't use it for movies, but the range of TV episodes they let me get seems a LOT larger than any other site I've looked at recently.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I fail to see how private sites are any more secure. Seems your ass is still hanging in the wind - if not more. Seems like security would come from the sheer numbers of a public site. You know - like buffalo.
- trogdoor, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7You know who you are "screwing over" ?
All those damn Chinese people who need to access content censored by their government. They don't need anonymity anyways, I mean the RIAA is nothing compared to the Chinese Government right?
So yeah, you keep using tor for bittorent to protect your ass so you can illegally save a few bucks on a movie ticket, that'll stick it to the man.
( BTW, tor sucks for high bandwidth p2p type activity anyways ) - dpogni, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7damn, they had good porn
- speaker219, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10@OGTL (#7103764)
It's not really a tracker. Just a search. - elnerdo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Because often torrents are faster than server downloads.
- piwy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Man corporate america should really get into lolcats. The make the scenarios themself.
I'm in u'r sitez, login' your illegalitiez - xiojqwnko, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7http://rlslog.net
http://btjunkie.org
http://mininova.org
http://eztvefnet.org
http://bt-chat.com -
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