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- wschalle, on 10/11/2007, -2/+79Sometimes it feels like the internet is a giant playground, full of third graders throwing things at each other and calling each other names.
- inhaler, on 10/11/2007, -1/+56What's the difference between a spammer and an onion? You don't cry when you cut a spammer...
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+34hi.. Welcome to first day on the internet..
we are about 20% usefull, 20% fun and 60% adult only.. - crackedplastic, on 10/11/2007, -3/+32The only good spammer is a dead spammer.
- cyburdine, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27I hate spam as well, but I often wonder why there isn't as much hatred for physical spam (junk mail), which causes much more harm. Thousands of trees felled, pollution from ink and plastics that are usually part of the junk mail contents and yet nothing in the US is done to stop that. What's the difference? other than our government profiting from people paying them to deliver it.
just my .02 - dattaway, on 10/11/2007, -3/+23Someone must really be going out of their way to attack Spamhaus.... it might because fighting spam does work.
- OUberLord, on 10/11/2007, -2/+22Actually he just wants to set up the intrusion prevention systems that he runs to block the DDOS attacks based off of their known (if known) signatures.
Not fishy at all. - soccerbud, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20@radu79
The spammers don't do DDoS attacks from their own ISP's
most of the bots that do the attack are zombie bots i.e. some poor chinese kid's whose computer was infected when he was downloading random porn, cracks, hacks etc. - Nick42, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20You seem to be implying that spamming and copyright infringement are the same thing. I fail to see how that is true. At all. In any way, shape, or form.
- gargantuan, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20me too, send in the troops and execute the lot of them. I don't think anyone will mourn the loss.
- dragonexe, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18As much as I hate spammers and wish they would die, I have to say all of this cyber warfare is pretty damn interesting.
- dallase, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15that article is sorta outdated. the first round of ddos was a syn flood, and prolexic helped us mitigate that attack by thursday. everything was good until yesterday morning when they launched a second offensive which utilizes a http get flood with random query strings to avoid proxy cache, in conjunction with an ack flood.
http://www.uribl.com should be back up in a couple hours, once we finalize the relocation. we can do this all day... if they want to keep ddos'ing, we'll keep moving ips. at least we'll keep some of their bots busy so they cant send out spam. one way or another, we still win. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12no further proof is needed that people who spam have the mental age of ***** 8 year olds,
"they're trying to stop me doing stuff!!, im going to throw things at them till they go away!!!"
im always amused by the story in the papers over here in the uk last year about a spammer/internet conman who had made something like £500k since he was 14 just running scams, but still lived in his parents house,
i laughed so much i fell off my chair when i read where he lived :D - theZuan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Spammers suck and whoever hires them thinking it will boost business are retarded. If I recognize a company from a spam I received you can bet your ass I am not doing business with um.
- mitrovarr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10It'd be nice if authorities could be bothered to deal with botnetters, who are actually legitimate criminals and a huge problem on the internet, instead of worrying about copyright violation and *****. I mean, they're spammers you can actually put away for a long time with existing laws. Just hit them with one charge of computer hacking per zombie machine!
- Leviathan777, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Actually, zephris , the victim can close the connections. A good operating system will start closing the half-open ones age-first when it hits some limit.
But...
Truly effective DDoS attacks just overwhelm the routers with traffic - it doesn't even matter if the OS can handle it.
In other words, imagine that the internet is, say, a series of tubes. There are big tubes and little tubes, with the big tubes being near the center, with smaller tubes at some point near the edge. So by taking traffic from many different tubes, large or small, and stuffing it into one of the smaller tubes near the server, you can DDoS any machine alive. It's all about the tubes, you see. - torched, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11@radu79
as soon as isps do that everybody will cry out "censorship" and "invasion of privacy" otherwise they probably would have done it already. The real solution here isn't to try and block spam but to shut down those who finance and process the credit cards. If congress can pass a bill that bans US banks/credit cards from processing payments for gambling they can pass one that would block the banks from processing for spammers. I know most spammers use offshore banks but put a little pressure on visa and mastercard and then they will pressure the offshore banks or just completely cut them off. - vermin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Speaking of BlueFrog and it's so-called successor Okopipi (BlackFrog). Is the project really as dead as it looks going by the website? http://www.okopipi.org/
- zephris, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7DDOS isn't a fault of windows, it's part of how TCPIP works - a handshake is opened but never completed, lather, rinse, repeat. The result is ever increasing half open connections that the victim cannot close.
- cyburdine, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9yes, _you_ would not buy it... but people do.
if spam didn't work, they wouldn't use it to promote their products.
Example Math:
If you have a product where you make $20 on every sale and you send out 200 million emails and 1% of 1% respond you net $400,000
I HATE that it works. - Wyzard, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7@torched:
It's not "censorship" or "invasion of privacy" for an ISP to block a customer who's violating the Terms of Service by participating in a DDoS attack. It seems pretty reasonable, when a DDoS attack is underway, to send each major ISP a list of which IP addresses under its control are part of the attack. And it seems pretty reasonable for the ISP to identify the customers using those IPs, check that they really are flooding the victim with traffic, and terminate them for TOS violation.
That would help encourage the "average Joe" to care about keeping his computer free of malware, too. The tools are readily available, but most people don't realize it's something they need to care about, or just don't care because they don't see any harm to themselves. Getting kicked off an ISP for participating in a DDoS attack would go a long way toward helping people realize that yes, this sort of thing really can happen to them; it's not just something they hear about in the news. - P5ycHo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7And that's why we need Blue Security back.
The feds won't do ***** so we need to finish the fight.
Now give me back my frog. - Coded1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@theholycow
I think the reason you don't hear about people getting scammed is because no one wants to admit they got ripped off by a total stranger, buying Viagra ;) - thumbup, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12I hate spam so so much.
- actorboy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@ Codename
I am a Mac zealot. You embarrass me. - arbulus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7You just negated your own prediction.
oh, and if you run Linux or OS X, this kind of thing would never happen. - patkirkrick, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7This ***** would stop if people would just STOP buying and investing stuff found in spam. On behalf of all of us, please bitch slap anyone you know that's done this.
- korashime2001, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9I hope the spammers can see me doing this, because I'm doing it harder than I've ever done it before!
- angusm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6bumblefoot writes:
"no further proof is needed that people who spam have the mental age of ***** 8 year olds,"
The DDoS attacks against anti-spam sites aren't temper tantrums - they're a systematic effort to shut down anything that interferes with the spammer's business.
There's real money being made through spam and related activities - such as the sale of pills and porn and all the million and one scams that are advertised through spam. If you want a mental image of the kinds of people who are involved in spam these days, don't picture some comical loser in a Florida trailer park with a 286; picture Tony Soprano and Adelei Niska. If someone comes between them and their money, they're going to hit back. - tdmoney, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5***** spammers... we all owe a debt of gratitude to those who run projects like spamhaus and URIBL
- catalysis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I fail to see how breaking into peoples' computers and using botnets for phishing is ok and should be a guaranteed freedom. It really has nothing to do with copyright law, so your argument makes no sense anyways. This would be like saying if you speed, you cannot be against drunk driving.
- skaface69, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6I would like to find that Nigerian lawyer, and get my damn million dollars, but i don't know if i should trust him. I mean i don't remember ever hearing about an uncle who lived in africa, but you never know. hmmmmm
- radu79, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Well, duh, of course they use bots, which are hosted on computers owned by idiots. But that doesn't mean that, because they are idiots and they didn't know, they shouldn't pay for the damage they cause.
As for privacy concerns, I don't see any problem with it. I am not talking about the ISPs reading the e-mails or stuff like that. What I am talking about is do some traffic analyzation and detect floods (such as a huge number of http requests in a short time, packets with spoofed headers, and so on). - howitzeral, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4You're not the problem. The problem is the V1aGarA spammers and such that WILL use the unsubscribe link as a validation that the email address is legit, use botnets to send the spam, etc. For every one of you, there seems to be 100 of the other type. I have no problem with a bulk-emailler that follows all the rules and is accountable.
- cdorka, on 10/11/2007, -18/+22so what is the CVE number or are there signatures for IPSs out for this already? I would like to know how they are blocking the current ddos attack.
- tdmoney, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6anyone who uses Spamassassin owes URIBL and SURBL a small debt of gratitude
The service that URIBL provides (with such relatively sparse resources) is amazing
I recommend that you go to http://www.uribl.com and show your support (once it comes back up) - BobsYourUncle, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I hope you roll over and die sooner.
- Error601, on 10/11/2007, -15/+18Yea freedom! Oh wait, they're spamming and not stealing music. Boooo!
- Typhoon2009, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I say we send in the Rangers, Delta Force, and the 10th Mountain to the houses of these spammers. They'd fix the whole spam issue in an instant.
Of course, then anti-spam companies and humanitarian groups (SPAMMERS ARE NOT HUMAN) would complain. - Todamont, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Eat ***** and die, spammer. You make your living by wasting 6 million peoples' time and scamming the few who are gullible enough to think they are going to get a Best Buy gift card. I've seen those sites and there is no indication when you fill out the front page that you are actually required to spend more time/money getting the cards than they are worth. It is a SCAM, flat-out. You are HUMAN SCUM and if I ever meet you, you will regret it.
- smokeyghetto, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Let the actions/end of Blue Security be a lesson to all that certain spam reduction methods do have an effect on spammers. However, a legitimate company cannot follow through with helping reduce the amount of spam people receive without repeated server attacks and personal death threats.
Why are we letting the spammers infect our personal property with malware and allowing them to use our computers for illegal business operations? What will have to happen in order for this to grab the attention of our media and when will the people outcry for the control of their computers back? How many identities will have to be stolen? Will we have to wait till every computer has been turned into a zombie and have them unleashed in unison on a financial institution or another high profile target that could cause millions of dollars in damage.
Will the next company to be threatened be a large corporation or a small business? These spammers have real power.
Computers are complicated and most people dont know how to maintain them. This is a real problem. When will it be manditory to have your computer certified bot free?
Think about it. - btgoss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Man is that a creepy blog picture or what? His eyes seem to follow you around... like one of those Jesus paintings... really intense.... oh and spam is bad... almost as bad as creepy blog pictures....
- brendangenius, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4What the hell? I hate anyone who does a Denial of Service attack, its cowardly and pathetic...if they dont like something, then screw them. Spammers...what is the point...really.
- locnguyen, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4You need to get an education.
- neffy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@digghatesme
I'd suggest to you that this is very much the wrong digg story to post your spam story. If what you say is indeed true...well that puts you in the category of MLMers in my book. It's legit, but it's not my style. What you're doing right now is using your own story of legitimacy to somehow support the ***** that's going on right now. - NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2We NEED Blue Frog back... NOW...
- ChayD, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Scary pic!
- aiken, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Isn't it about time someone deals with this problem more directly? Here's what I propose:
- We need someone in a relatively lawless country to set up a bounty site
- People can paypal in contributions to the bounty, specifying one of Spamhaus' top spammers from http://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/spammers.lasso
- The site posts the current bounty amounts for each spammer
- If one of the spammers dies and someone can provide proof that they were responsible (hopefully something less gruesome than fedex-ing the severed head, but that would certainly work), the bounty is released to that person.
I have to think that the bounties for the top spammers would quickly reach the US$1m range, which is quite an incentive for someone to do something about this problem of ours. And a pretty strong disincentive to would-be spammers.
I personally find violence distasteful, and I'm opposed to the death penalty for reasons I won't get into here, but it's clear that global legal systems are totally incapable of dealing with spammers. So maybe it's time for more direct action from those of us who lose time and money to these sociopaths. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The crap I get to my physical mailbox is easily enough to fill a tall kitchen garbage bag per month. Not only that but I have to take the time to shred it all.
I guess I'll bite the bullet and do the optoutprescreen.com thing and also pay the 1$ for the DMA one http://www.dmaconsumers.org/consumerassistance.html
I've refrained from doing those on the mistaken notion that eventually I'd get something I actually want. After dozens of bags of junk mail I think I can disregard that futile hope. - tiga31328, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Maybe they just attacked Google too, cause their gmail.com and mail.google.com sites are toast, and have been for hours.
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