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- inactive, on 03/17/2009, -4/+247 Theft of signal? Ok then get your signal off of my land and air space right now!
- Slyer, on 03/16/2009, -3/+196Oh the horror!
It's like stealing radio! - GreenDots, on 03/17/2009, -7/+112edit: Satellite piracy costing TV industry NOTHING.
- Ninh, on 03/16/2009, -2/+99Again the calculations of a blind man. As if those who watch without paying would pay to watch if they couldn't get it for free.
- inactive, on 03/17/2009, -2/+95You, my good sir, win a large but unspecified number of internets.
- inactive, on 03/16/2009, -0/+77You can pirate Satillite TV? Nice! Time to get me a dish!
- dsegard, on 03/17/2009, -0/+68These users "harpoon signals from space"? Hardly. They are just decoding the signals that are already being beamed from space into their house, their body, etc. According the shrink wrapped license agreement on my T-Shirt, by beaming these signals through my body the vendor has given me consent to decode all such signals. If they don't like it, then stop radiating my property with the signals.
- CrazyEddie041, on 03/17/2009, -0/+57Wow, they can LITERALLY harpoon signals from outer space? I didn't even know you could pierce a signal with a harpoon.
- bizkit00, on 03/17/2009, -0/+46The signaaaal! Pirates "can literally harpoon signals from space". Literally, not figuratively but actually throwing a harpoon into space!
- bman1984, on 03/17/2009, -1/+42You sure can, only for dishnet though. Buy a free-to-air receiver. You load a program onto the receiver via usb and you get everything wide open. I pirate American signals in Canada and it works great. There are tons of forums which have up to date programs available for free. They even have PVR and HD free to air receivers. The free to air receivers are able to be sold because they are able to receive unencrypted signals, legally. They are easily hacked to decrypt signal though. It is untraceable as satellite receivers on receive data and do not transmit data.
Piracy isnt costing them though. This same tired argument is used by the MPAA and RIAA as well. I would not pay $50/month for everything that a satellite company has to offer, plus all ppvs wide open. It is still *****. If I was not able to pirate TV, I would just stop watching it. There is no way that crap is worth money. - neonoodle, on 03/17/2009, -0/+39that's actually a brilliant example of how the industry doesn't even believe their shady numbers. If they believe there are millions of people stealing satellite TV, then that must mean there are millions more people watching their shows. Why don't they charge advertisers for those extra million people watching? Oh right, because advertisers wouldn't buy the ***** they're peddling but they expect the pubic and the courts to do so.
- coltraning, on 03/17/2009, -2/+41Signal theft? Sounds like a ***** concept to me.
- dvsbastard, on 03/17/2009, -1/+38"Literally" is fast becoming the most incorrectly used word on the internet... It is kind of ironic really...
- toastgodsupreme, on 03/17/2009, -1/+37These people aren't pirates, they're protecting their homes from harmful TV rays attempting to get inside. They're just using this "unassuming pizza-sized satellite dish" as a way of scooping up all these evil rays and converting them into harmless pictures.
Maybe if the TV industry didn't have the nerve to send their signals towards pirate's houses, then they wouldn't have to worry about these things.
Sheesh! - inactive, on 03/17/2009, -2/+35In order for there to be theft, doesn't the 'victim' actually have to have something taken away from them? What was taken? Aren't those same bits of data just going to waste impacting the ground?
- Persian5Life, on 03/16/2009, -9/+39well my friend i can watch whatever i want whenever i was from the TPB.
TPB > Satellite piracy - arkwald, on 03/17/2009, -2/+32I am so tired of this argument that stealing signal is like outright physical theft. It is like saying people are stealing from my business of charging people for walking down the sidewalk by those people not paying to walk down the sidewalk.
What that means is that their business plan has flaws in it, it is not this perfect money skimming device you envisioned. No amount of crying to mommy and daddy (legal system) is going to change the fact your toy (business that doesn't conform to reality) is a defective piece of trash.
It's like this concept of being too big to fail. If there isn't a real market for your product it doesn't mean that someone is out to get you. It means you don't have enough people willing to spend enough money to make your plan feasible. - cawpin, on 03/17/2009, -0/+29That's how a certain individual, whom I may or may not have lived with in college, put it as well. "They're beaming the signal into my yard. What I do after that point is none of their business."
- inactive, on 03/17/2009, -1/+28here we are again counting every pirate as a lost sale. What if no one would have bought the service, but like it enough to pirate and put up with the commercials that funds a profit for the TV stations?
- p4r4d0x, on 03/17/2009, -0/+25This feels like 90% industry press release combined with retarded commentary. "Literally harpoon signals from space" - hyperbole much?
- varun1s, on 03/16/2009, -0/+25One helpful idea: Change revenue model from subscription fees to commercials' fees. Even as is, all carriers insert commercials into shows up to some extent anyway.
- inactive, on 03/17/2009, -0/+23I've never thought about it that way, but now that you brought it up, good point.
- FlailofFury, on 03/17/2009, -1/+24This is exactly the problem. If they don't want me to use the signal being broadcast to me stop broadcasting it there. May I should be able to sure them for unwanted signal in my home.
- bman1984, on 03/17/2009, -0/+23There are no copyright laws which protect DishNET signals in Canada or I wouldnt be so open about it. You yankees might wanna be careful though. I am pretty sure the laws are tough on satellite piracy. The good thing is is that you can flash your receiver and their evidence is gone, as the receivers from factory are not illegal.
- TheZorch, on 03/17/2009, -0/+22The tighter companies try to tightening their grip on their Intellectual Property the more they'll see it stolen. The stronger the DRM, the more they'll see it broken. The tougher the laws they lobby Congress pass, the more they'll see them ignored. Media giants have to simply realize that this is a battle they can't ever win and the only way to stave off piracy is to give consumers access to their products in whatever manner they want without restriction on how they are used. Once they release the shackles, if they release the shackles, then they'll see things improve but right now it won't happen as long as big media continues to be resistant to change. This is a battle they won't ever win, even with government help, period.
- WoollyMittens, on 03/17/2009, -2/+23A loss of potential revenue does not equal a loss of revenue. You cannot lose money that would not have been paid in the first place.
- inactive, on 03/17/2009, -0/+21Don't tell anyone, But, I just received a box of satellite signals from my Brother, he was driving down the interstate and the trailer doors swung open on a Dish network tractor-trailer ( apparently, Dish network warehouse workers didn't secure the load properly at the loading dock.) three large boxes fell off into the bushes before the driver realized what happened. My Brother just waited till he left and grabbed the boxes from the bushes. he only got two, the third box opened and the signals went everywhere, Man, it was all over him! he had to go home and bathe in tomato sauce to get the smell out of his skin, we had to burn his clothes. Now, I'm siting pretty with a WHOLE box of Signals and there isn't a damn thing that dish network can do about it!!
- inactive, on 03/17/2009, -2/+22Sue them for damaging your health, too. I'm sure all those radio waves aren't good for you.
- jasdf, on 03/17/2009, -2/+22But you can get caught using torrents, the satellite is totally passive and has no way to be tracked.
- ghostofreddit, on 03/17/2009, -2/+22Under law, US satellite signals do not exist in Canada. Under law, these dishes that pick up US satellite signals are not illegal in Canada OR the USA because the signal should not be spilling into Canadian airspace, just like FM radio does.
The idea that Canadian companies are being robbed by Canadians converting this low power stray signal is offensive and not correct.
If the companies want this stopped, then they can insist that the US satellite signal end at the border, and since this is technologically impossible, they should shut the hell up. - apothekari, on 03/17/2009, -2/+21Agreed.
These idiots think that these folks should actually PAY for SYFY?
Mtv stops playing music videos, runs stupid ass "reality" ***** 24/7, begets Mtv2, which then stops playing music videos to run stupid ass ass "reality" ***** 24/7,Tech tv has really unique net culture based shows as well as the awesome sexy Laura Swisher, gets gobbled up by the lame ass G4 to run inferior versions of the TechTV shows which they then cancel and then run mostly stupid ass "reality" ***** 24/7, Sci fi channel stops running Sci Fi based shows to run "Wrasslin" "It's still real to me Dammit!", Becomes SYFY and will then run stupid ass "reality" ***** 24/7.
But don't STEAL the signal!!!
You must pay for this 20 lbs of ***** in a 5 pound bag!!
And they can't figure out why people run screaming to dload WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE off the internet or refuse to pay $70.00 a month for a bunch of channels you cant stand and you cant choose just the channels you want for 15 or 20 bucks a month.
TV sucks *****!, long live the Pirates!! - Kallius, on 03/17/2009, -3/+211) If I can't buy it legally (i.e. the show isn't available on the networks here, even the pay networks) then I can't "steal" it. Protectionist ***** doesn't count.
2) If the cable/dish providers had channels a la carte instead of one good channel bundled with ten ***** channels, I'd be more inclined to subscribe. - anxcaptain, on 03/17/2009, -1/+19Wait... when did the p5/6 cards get hacked... and how come no one told me!
- Logicexe, on 03/17/2009, -0/+16Every time I see "literally" used incorrectly my head literally blows up.
- ayeroxor, on 03/17/2009, -1/+17I read the title, and PEED MY PANTS
/LOL at submitter for irrational exuberance, and for not knowing what 'literally' means. - notaku, on 03/17/2009, -0/+15@mjparme: And magically, another car appears in the drive way to replace the one that was stolen.
Because nothing physical is stolen when you pirate satellite tv signals. - greevar, on 03/17/2009, -1/+16Boo hoo hoo! Our artificial scarcity is being exposed by clever individuals that know enough to break our encryption!
My heart pumps purple piss for you people, truly. - donnytomas, on 03/17/2009, -0/+15They are forcing the service into my environment so how can I be stealing it?
- inactive, on 03/17/2009, -0/+15Or people just watch the same content on the Internet. The Internet offers both legal (you see ads) and illegal (you see no ads) television shows. You can't lose money if people wouldn't pay like Ninh said.
- mohrt, on 03/17/2009, -0/+14What a bunch of crap. Their loss is based on the idea that those that pirate would otherwise pay for the signal if they couldn't steal it? Hardly. Consider them free extra eyeballs to the advertisers.
The gas analogy is stupid, gas is a necessity for transportation. Satellite tv is not necessary. And, I'm driving to the gas station to get gas. I'm not getting it poured all over me.
If you don't want pirates stealing signals, then don't send the signals to the pirates. The pirates are in their own house, on their own private property. It's like blaring a radio on their front lawn, and accusing them of listening.
Why steal satellite anyways? Torrents are so much easier. ;) - uberduger, on 03/17/2009, -0/+14*Applause* I really like this point. Can't wait until it's used as a defense in a lawsuit.
- DirtyVicar, on 03/17/2009, -2/+16I'm kind of aghast that someone thinks that TV is worth pirating these days. Maybe it was cool to get HBO back in the 1980s, but between Netflix, TPB, Internet, YouTube, and voluminous DVD collections, I'm wagering that mucking around with decrypting satellite is really not worth it.
- DrLeePhD, on 03/17/2009, -0/+13if they can find a way to keep their RF signal off MY yard I won't have to safely dissipate those radio waves into a hacked IRD.
- goldfenix, on 03/17/2009, -0/+12I, for one, didn't know that you could steal a satellite signal. I mean it makes sense, but I hadn't heard of anything past cable theft.
Gotta say, interest is piqued. - Findeton, on 03/17/2009, -2/+14If believing that gives you some comfort... then I'm sure you were born in 1872.
- ChstrCopperpot, on 03/17/2009, -1/+13The The Pirate Bay?
- Pirataholic, on 03/17/2009, -0/+12Perhaps they'd save money if they didn't spam me with letters about their service? I mean honestly, do they need to send me a new letter every week just to get no response constantly? Not only does it thwart me away from your service with their stupidly aggressive marketing gimmicks, but it makes me believe the company is in trouble and they need customers. No thanks, I'll stick to service that doesn't bug the ***** out of me, and doesn't appear desperate.
- sorenchr, on 03/17/2009, -2/+14what are you, some kind of a retard?
- ravage86, on 03/17/2009, -2/+13You're stealing from me by not paying me to make your bed in the morning. What's that? You were never going to hire me to begin with? Well I was never going to buy satellite to begin with.
- DrLeePhD, on 03/17/2009, -1/+12when I was hacking, I could run up $250 worth of PPV in a week. (alot of porn, I know!)
but you use the service differently as well. habits like buying a ppv movie and watching the first 10 minutes and realizing it's lame. I would never do that if it actually cost me $3.99.
I have no means to actually pay that kind of money for something I could have pirated online for free.
the hacker-hobbyists who go buy dishes on eBay and learn to do it for themselves aren't really hurting much. but the people who sell private 3m scripts or charge idiots a fee to wipe their PPV cost alot of money. they're the ones who usually convert subscribers into theives.
When it comes to hacked stuff, If you can't do it by yourself, or with some heavy reading you don't deserve free tv. DirecTV was a fun hobby, I miss it. -
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