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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+19When you follow immoral and often illegal business practises to gain unholy market shares with substandard, insecure and unstable products, and then force users to continue using your software by intentionally sabotaging cross-platform OS-independent programming langauges (Microsoft stealing / breaking Java anyone?) and forcing competitors out of the market, you kind of loose the right to complain about people stealing your software.
- TigerClaw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8If you have trouble installing it, Theres a version you can install that bypasses the check, You can get it here.
http://rapidshare.de/files/13236791/iWindowsDefender.msi.html - Kellan, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14What does everyone have against a software company protecting its software? If I knew someone was stealing software I worked hard on, I'd be pissed. I say good riddance.
Maybe this will stop the idiots bitching about how much Windows sucks while using a pirated copy, hoping to "stick it" to Microsoft. - teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7You people are sad...MS tries to stop people from stealing from them and you do nothing but bitch! Im sorry your pirated copy of XP might no longer work, just stfu
- ziffel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"What does everyone have against a software company protecting its software?"
Do you actually think they are doing that? Stuff like this merely inconveniences the people who pay for it. - ArmandoM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"If you lose the keys to your car do you bitch at the car dealer the same way ?
Software is an investment and should be treated as such."
If losing the keys to your car meant you had to buy a new car, yes, I think I would complain about it. - TechnoPops, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"***** them. I have several copies of XP that are useless because over the years and multiple moves, the little 2 inch long serial number has been lost. So I've basically lost my ***** $100+/ea investments even though I *HAVE* the ***** CDs."
You should call Microsoft's help and just tell them your lost your product key. They'll gladly give you a new one after you read them a number on the bottom of the CD near the hub. I have a friend who's done this more than once and it's worked just fine. - RBasil, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2All of you *nix fan-boys always make me laugh when you come up with every excuse in the book to validate stealing software. Simply amazing.
- TechnoPops, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I have no problem with this. MS or any company has a right to protect their intellectual property."
Wrong, wrong, wrong, 100% WRONG. Haven't you heard? IP laws are bad. Copyright laws are bad. Everything should be free! Music, movies, novels, software, everything! People should just be able to take other people's ideas and use them however the hell they want, so that the original IP holder gets no monetary benefit whatsoever, even though they spent hours/days/weeks/months/years of their time working on it, and they really enjoyed it, and that's what they want to do for a living. Screw them! Why should I have to pay them for a product/service that I find useful? I don't want to support them! I just want everything free, free, FREE!
(Yes, this is a joke, just like the Patriot Search thing. Yes, Patriot Search WAS a joke.) - Craig1394, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hmm, apparently Microsoft hasn't learned yet. None of their ant-piracy crap has worked for more than a day or two. That WGA ***** was cracked in one day. The only thing they can do really is send Bill Gates to your house to give you the Auth. code in person. Sure, I am running legit copies of XP and 2K purchased from FRY's, but that does not mean I should support all their anti-piracy crap. I went legit because I enjoy that warm fuzzy feeling from doing the right thing. Just give me my OS, then leave me alone. Keep your authorization and anti-piracy crap off my computer, whether I am a legit user or not.
- Specks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This individual doesn't cite his source. No digg. This looks like a page produced to get page views for AdSense. There's no credibility to this.
- tsupersonic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I know software is expensive but it shouldn't be pirated. Yeah go ahead flame me, but if you designed software and people pirated your software, how much money are you going to lose? I don't pirate Microsoft products, because being a college student, I get them all for free. :)
- drbroccoli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2As much as I hate Microsoft and its dirty buisness practices, I'm not against companies protecting themselves against piracy.
- wjglenn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> blah blah blah...you kind of loose the right to complain about people stealing your software.
No you don't. Unfair business practices are penalized if and after you are declared a monopoly. Up to that point, it's about what's illegal and what isn't.
If you don't like a company, don't like their policies, don't like their software, be a responsible consumer and vote with your wallet.
You do not have the right to steal. No law, no practice, no anything else gives you the right to break the law. If you do, you're a thief. And you deserve to be treated like one.
And if you are a thief, your complaints have no merit. Period. - frem001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Maybe this will stop the idiots bitching about how much Windows sucks while using a pirated copy, hoping to "stick it" to Microsoft."
might stop ppl using pirated copies, but the bitching.... - jhuebel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"When you follow immoral and often illegal business practises to gain unholy market shares with substandard, insecure and unstable products, and then force users to continue using your software by intentionally sabotaging cross-platform OS-independent programming langauges (Microsoft stealing / breaking Java anyone?) and forcing competitors out of the market, you kind of loose the right to complain about people stealing your software."
So let's fight back by stealing their "substandard, insecure and unstable products" and use them every day! Yeah, that'll teach 'em! You're a moron. - scrytch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I think you may be missing the point.
Microsoft doesn't win big money from Mums and Dads that may have pirated copies of their software. The people they are really after are the system builders that install a pirated copy of windows on a machine for a customer.
The customer installs something new, and bam! - their system stops working telling them to contact MS. Once they do and MS get to the bottom of it, Mum and Dad get off with a warning but the PC supplier gets taken to the cleaners.
I have no problem with this. MS or any company has a right to protect their intellectual property.
For legitimate owners of MS products, if you don't like the license under which the software is supplied, don't buy the software, but don't steal it either. If there is value in a tool, buy the tool. If not, find another way to do what you are trying to do that is legal.
Regards,
Shane. - Chris_F, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"If you don't like it, dont use their product. Hello Capitalism."
It's too bad the majority of software is only written for Microsoft's OS. In other words, Microsoft is almost cramming it's ***** OS and DRM practices down you throat. Hello fascism. - aphextwin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My opinion here:
MS doing this will after awhile kill it's OS. You will see the advanced computer users start to switch to the free/DRM free solutions and this will lead to them showing the people free/DRM free solutions. This will lead to developers beginning to make more games/drivers/apps for these free/drm free solutions. I've already started to do this with the people who bring me computers to fix. Some one brought me a spyware riddled win98 machine and wanted me to reinstall windows. I explained that I did not have a copy of windows 98 but I had this great OS: ubuntu. I installed it and had him up and running. He loves it. It's faster then his 98 was and it just works.
I would pay for a less restrictive OS. Something that doesn't cost a fortune and just works. - Linuxrocks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Why are people against Microsoft trying to prevent piracy. If you want a free OS use one of the many Linux distros
- tpstigers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Who cares? I, for one, have no intention of using Windows Defender, anyway. My systems are already far better defended using products that didn't cost a bloody cent.
- gamekid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I just installed this today on a licensed copy of Windows- heck, I didn't even know it checked the product key. If it's entirely transparent for legitimate users, how is this an inconvience?"
Same here. Just learned of it now. - prammy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1-----------------------------------
To all those trying to defend Microsoft:
1) Microsoft made a record and obscene amount of money last year..... yeah piracy is really harming them isnt it? What did they make? $15 Billion last year was it? If it wasnt for piracy they could have made $20 Billion....... awwwwww poor microsoft!
2) Activation, genuine windows advantage, verifying software like defender before it installs etc harms and inconveniences consumers, the pirates just use a crack and they get none of this kind of hassle.
Is your heart still bleeding for poor old bill?
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@Gurkinjar
Regardless of how much money Microsoft made in the past twelve minutes, piracy is still piracy. If you have a pirated copy, they have no reason to give you anything.
Also , how does it inconvenience legit customers? With WPA, if you are required to reactivate your key, you can call up or do it online. The only people who this inconveniences are the ones who dont have a legit key.
I use Linux on my laptop and Windows on my gaming machine. I have a legit copy. I am not affected. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Probably a good thing. As a former pirate, I've found that it's not worth my time to deal with licensing, or cracks that may or may not work, or relying on software that is not licensed to work forever, so we're taking a longer look at open source in general. We simply cannot afford as a small company to run our infrastructure on very expensive MS software year-to-year. So now that we are legit, every purchase is scrutinized, and we negotiate with resellers for the best price when we do pay.
- cebbs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you have any friends who are college students you can get free legal versions of Microsoft products really cheap. I just bought winxp32&winxp64 in a bundle for 15 bucks at U of M. You can get office for 30 dollars and a lot of other things at good prices.
- redcard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Nerys:
It is NOT our duty to disobey unjust laws. It's our duty to obey all laws that our representatives make. If the 18-25 population f*ing realized that and showed up to the polls in the last election, we wouldn't have the business leaders of america controlling the vote. However, the rich and conservative DID show up, so THEY are being represented.
You don't get to complain that you're not represented when your class didn't show up to vote. - spamdies, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this int a new feature, its just a diffrent gui to an older feature...
- RBOnline, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is a good thing. Hopefully with Vista they will lock it down almost entirely.
- Wantednz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Re: the school thing
The way it works usually is it's legal to have at home if you have it at school/work while you are there but once you leave school (or the company) you are no longer allowed to use that license. It's like an extension to the license for a second copy for the same user. once you don't attend the school or company the license came from it's no longer legal. I guess they wont get you from the product key but it's still not a legal license. That's how it works where I work anyway. - axiomofstealth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I got Office 2003 and XP for $7 through my college. Sounds good, right? Not really, the university spent 3 million to get the licenses as tuition rises again. Who's fault? All I know is it would be beneficial to move towards cheaper alternatives.
- brehonia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Microsoft has every right to do this. The only people this hurts are software pirates."
Not quite right. If you download a movie someone's ripped, you just get the movie. If you go and buy the DVD like an honest person should, you get a huge unskippable propaganda ad about piracy equating to stealing a car and stuff, and you have to sit through it every time you want to watch the movie.
A more relevant example: I bought Office XP (for reals), which generates an activation code to register on the internet when you install it. I formatted and installed a new hard drive, and, since my computer was changed, so was the activation key. Lo and behold, I was stealing software and good ol' overpriced Office was crippled to a demo. I then sat and watched as my friend downloaded, installed and cracked it on his own computer for free with no trouble at all. - tux234, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow digg is really a dump now! Nothin but flame wars!!
- cyberghost232, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Its not like windows defender is all that great anyways. yeah i use it and it never seems to find any spyware on my system. but adaware sure as hell does.just dont install it therefore eliminating the problem. there are far better antivirus progs out there.
- ninjadan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't give a rat's ass about "learning nix," I want to play my goddamn games. Until any form of *nix can do that for me without 120338947293847 hurdles to jump through, I'm on XP.
As for anti-piracy stuff, I don't care about that either - until it interferes with my legitimate work/apps/games. - FaNtAsMa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And this is why we use Linux.. because it's free.. and you don't have to worry about this kind of *****.
- ryogahibiki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I have several copies of XP that are useless because over the years and multiple moves, the little 2 inch long serial number has been lost. So I've basically lost my ***** $100+/ea investments even though I *HAVE* the ***** CDs."
That's why I write the activation numbers on the CD's themselves. - butlershouse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If MS had made a clear and effective effort in protecting their software and reducing piracy then many years ago people would have made a switch to other platforms. Its been to MS's benefit that people can make illegal copies of their software because it makes people use their software. As they make it harder so will people make the switch.
- Nocturnal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yup. I reported this yesterday. You can't use it if you a) don't have SP2 installed and b) if you have an invalid aka pirated copy of Windows installed.
- aphextwin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hey look store has a TV that I kinda like but I don't think I will ever buy one so I'm just going to take it and walk out the door.
Hey look this car is way to expensive, and the locks don't work perfectly. I'd never pay that amount for a car that is that insecure, I'm just going to take it and drive away.
Hey look this OS is too expensive and insecure but I want to play games with it so I think I will just download a cracked copy and use it anyway. - deesine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Scumbags "getting a free ride" has been an integral part of Microsoft's effort in get the widest possible base of users. Windows has reached a saturation/growth threshold, hence increased efforts at piracy prevention.
- eclectro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Why not stop being cheap and pay the professionals to do it properly."
Gee, that's what I tell all my friends and neighbors when they hunt me out to remove all the spyware and trojan crap off their machines. I offer to do a professional installation of a new-user friendly linux distro. - Lexx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1everyone. go procreate. this isnt important.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Explain to me how this is an inconvenience to legit users??? What, an extra 2 sec. during an install? Boo hoo, cry me a river. As much as you hate it, go buy Windows you whiners.
- tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've got no problem with them having it, but hasn't Windows Update done this for a while now?
- vernsan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I got my windows xp pro from college for 5 bucks as many as I want. So I bought around 10 and gave it to my friends who were known not to buy things. If your going to use windows everyday atleast pay for it because it is useful, and don't give me crap about how it sucks or something, because most likely you have had a crappy pirated copy or just a bad install. It's because people pirate that they implement these tactics, theres always a reason for an action.
- MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
I think the long known idea of MS letting people pirate their software was true to an extent. It was more like "hey we know a certain percentage of people are stealing it, so what". The problem is, it became so easy for Joe Sixpack to download warez from whatever ghey P2P software he uses. If it becomes TOO easy for people to steal, then it does cut into their numbers and they have to make it harder again.
Everyone here knows that you can gank whatever software you want so long as it's on the warez "radar". I no longer care about that though. I've just changed my way of life. I stayed away from open source stuff for a long time, but now I'm down with it. At the end of the day I feel better about supporting open source, and not stealing software. - Berkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My windows advanced server just spit out a message into the event log that says I need to activate my install in 12 days. Lets just say I already had taken care of the activation issue when I installed. Looks like now the latest update may have undone some of my work.
- capajc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I applaud any company that takes measures to protect its products and prevent unauthorized people from using them. Kudos.
- drwatson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This "piracy prevention" also will not allow install on valid Dell OEM XP SP2 boxes I have tried. I believe its something to do with how the Dell XP cd's install, since you dont need to enter a product key or activate.
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