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- dmr0240, on 10/12/2007, -61/+364I agree that the RIAA and MPAA suck. But piracy, especially on a massive scale, still causes serious societal problems that need to be adressed somehow (but again the RIAA and MPAA have their heads up their asses and are going about it in completely the wrong way).
- rubored, on 10/12/2007, -58/+345Yay piracy!
***** you, RIAA! - sovietninja, on 10/12/2007, -14/+174According to my faith, and the Gospel of the Flying Spagetti Monster, the more pirates there are, will cause global warming to go down. Thats as good as any reason to be a pirate.
- FTLJohnson, on 10/12/2007, -25/+160Piracy is not a bad thing... not at all... If we had replicators... Like on Star Trek... Would it be bad to replicate food? What is someone owned the "Intellectual Property Rights" on the recipe? Should you be fined $10,000 a meal? What if you served your friend or family that meal.. should they be fined for sharing? What if your meal was a replication of apple pie.. and in that pie were Granny Smith Apples... and someone owned the IP Rights on the DNA for the Granny Smith blend of apples.... add another 10k to your fine per meal....
If you are using a replicator... All you are REALLY doing is rearranging atoms so that you can make them into food. You own ALL the materials used to create the product. Just like if you take and carve wood into a design for a chair... What if that chair HAPPENS to look exactly like a chair someone owns the PATENT ON? Well, if you are using that chair in your OWN home... and you are not selling it... Then that is perfectly legitimate... Legal.
Well... YOU ARE using a replicator... and the materials ARE your own. You purchased your computer (the replicator) and you purchased the hard drive (the magnetic 1's and 0's that are your building block materials). You own your hard drive... and you should be able to arrange whats on in in whatever fashion you want to... those are YOUR 1's and 0's because you paid for them. AS LONG AS IT'S FOR PERSONAL USE.
Piracy is NOT theft... It's replication... You CANNOT say... "That's money I COULD have been making!!!" about something that was created from thin air...
HOWEVER.... When someone is SELLING Pirated movies and music... THEN it BECOMES theft... because then there is ACTUALLY something physical being stolen... Actual MONEY is being lost.
I'm sure 99% of people probably do not sell the stuff they download off the net.
Piracy is not bad - unless you just aren't creative enough to come up with a business model that is not based on a fascist system. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -53/+143Actually there's nothing wrong with piracy. You people are ***** drones.
Your argument lacks one key element: evidence or anything to back it up.
Everything you argue about when you claim its wrong is purely hypothetical and has yet to happen.
"What if everyone downloaded movies and didn't pay?" Then we'd have a problem, but that's not the case now, is it? As it is, everyone CAN download them. Does everyone do it? No.
Piracy causes societal problems? Are you ***** stupid? Corporations cause societal problems by getting everyone in the frame of mind that they have to PAY for everything when they really don't. Boo ***** hoo, I heard a CD without paying for it.
The problem here is that people don't think twice about paying for something that really shouldn't cost much, if anything at all, to begin with. - diggimon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+77All I want is to be able to buy and download films without having to buy a DVD. I have no problem paying for a film that I like and want to own, and I wouldn't mind paying a few quid to watch a film I had never seen, like an internet cinema. Yeah, I'm lazy and I spend to much time with my computer.
Imagine vavles Steam but for movies. Why isn't this happening yet? - zephc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+65Tubes jokes have officially jumped the shark.
- MattL920, on 10/12/2007, -7/+66Even if piracy is wrong and causes problems and etc etc, the RIAA and MPAA are not going to stop their ridiculous and reprehensible tactics until either:
a) They sue the wrong person or under the wrong pretenses, and are shut down in court
b) Their methods of identification are rendered obsolete or inadmissable
We're seeing the beginning of that with their trying to use IPs to identify people to sue and not having success.
If people start using this darknet, the RIAA will have to reevaluate their tactics, because they won't be able to identify the people who are allegedly pirating.
If they can't sue people, they'll have to come up with a better way to deal with this. They'll have to either lower prices, put more effort into signing good artists and not prepackaged synthetic pop stars, or put extra content onto CDs to make purchasing one more compelling than downloading the music over the internet. Either that, or they'll have to deal with the fact that the profits they made by putting out an overpriced product only lasted as long as there were no alternatives, and instead of adjusting their business model they lashed out in a moralistic litigation binge. - trippp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+47If lots of people starts to use this, it's a great way to secure internet privacy for a long time.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+59Please find another joke:
http://www.google.com/search?q=help+me+be+funny - glitch1501, on 11/05/2007, -7/+50darknet is a cool word.
- luciferin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37"There are a lot of software companies and such that are having their product distributed illegally and are getting ripped off.
Its a problem thats for sure."
Yes, there are, but in the same way as music and movies are being pirated. I'm not supporting piracy, just stating that if someone pirates software than they would more than likely never actually buy that product. When a business pirates software it is a problem, but a single person pirating Photoshop or Maya, programs that are typically over $500 to purchase, they're honestly not losing the money.
And it's definitely better for Adobe if a 16 year old who goes into graphic design learns Photoshop instead of using open source software (when they open a company they will buy a license). It's better for Microsoft if people who pirate windows for video games use it instead of switching to open source software, or else more developers would begin building for Linux and using OpenGL over DirectX. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34Darknets exist to be infiltrated.
Make sure you use it from your congresscritter's WiFi bandwidth. - WarpFox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34Piracy, at least to do EFFECTIVELY, is a skill that is beyond Joe user, even with programs that make it easy (and ***** your computer) like kazaa. Most users do not even really know where the files they download are being stored. They do not know how to identify real files from the spam (like "hot teen xxx ***** pussy cum suck lick *****.mp3.avi.exe", YOU know what i mean), they do not know how to aquire cracked software, and they do not know how to use bittorrent. They do not know how to make an effective search argument.
The MPAA/RIAA is losing very little money. Joe User would rather spend his 20$ on getting a CD than spending 4 hours getting every song (because he's unaware you can nab the whole album, or the last time he did it came in RAR format and couldn't figure it out).
The *AA is sueing for the publicity, trying to keep joe user from learning what the rest of us know. And you know what, that's fine. They DO need to make money somehow. I'm not even sure these firvilous lawsuits are actually meant to win. Personally, I think that piracy is best left to people that know what they're doing. You may think it nothing to get whatever you need, but to MOST people out there, you're doing ***** magic. Staying on top of the technology (Windows genuine advantage, anyone?) is HARD for most people. Your reward for having the skills is free software, music, movies, books, TV, anything you can make from 1001011010110.
I purachase all of my games, though. - Aensland, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30Agreed. This isn't about the content cartel's puny little pigopoly no matter how much they whinge about it. This is about our rights to privacy. Fundamental rights as citizens of a free society. Where do THEY get off telling US how we communicate, with whom, and when. They are free to go out of business or move to a commie country and shove it.
- eklass, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27"A portion of the subscription fees will go towards the Pirate Party's work in changing the copyright and privacy laws and making the service obsolete."
In other words: "I'm making this, in hopes that it will eventually no longer be needed."
Kinda funny that something is created to fund change that will force that creation into obsolescence. - Falconwing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Yes, our web server melted all the way to eggs and bacon when the Digg storm hit. :-) However, the service provider have no hardware in common with us. It wasn't the Relakks server that went down, it was the Pirate Party's server which hosted the press release. (Other PP servers are still up, for the record.)
Try out https://www.relakks.com/?lang=eng instead. - eklass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22On the other hand, I find that services remain open largely because they're not big enough to show up on the radar of the general public.
It's only when your idiot roommate can use it, that the (RI|MP)AA take action against the technology. I prefer something to remain popular among hackers/enthusiasts/whatever, but never make it into common public usage.
Sure, it's security through obscurity, but in this situation it can (and does) actually work. When's the last time you heard of someone being sued for using IRC or Usenet for piracy? - EGOvoruhk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26"At Mathiasdm: But Pirating Has Always Been. Why should it change now?"
Because it's not some 50 dollar piece of software that they cracked. You're paying a small fee to use hardware. You can't crack hardware and send it over the internet. Did you really expect some stranger who probably makes just as much as us to eat up the cost? Don't be dumb - DavidDigg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25I actually totally disagree that information piracy has any substantial negative impact on any aspect of society.
In fact, piracy will probably have a variety of positive effects on the music industry for example. The music industry is largely a blip in the history of music. People made absolutely beautiful music before the recording industry - before the concept of a record, even - and it thrived. I see no reason why tempering the huge financial upside will cause music as we know it to cease. The lure of large amounts of money has never figured prominently in how people practice music except for a few notable exception (KISS, Metallica).
The huge amounts of money that go to artists may actually have had a negative impact on their life and work - take Britney spears for example. She is quite talented (at dancing and performing, not at singing), but the huge amount of money her career has generated has undoubtedly exacerbated her personal issues. Would Britney Spears be just as energetic and captivating if she were unable to make a dime selling records (yet still more than enough from concert ticket sales)? Attention, not money, forms the core motivation of great performers. If money is your motivator, there are plenty of opportunities in business in finance. - IceIX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20I recommend you do some research on the nature of VPN's.
- WarpFox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Spamming your point != debate
Seriously, lets use intelligence rather than brute force to get our points across. Thats what the *AA does.
Let's not kid ourselves. A good number of us are probobly much more than 'casual file sharers'. Its the turning of 'causal file sharers' into something more that they want to prevent from happening via lawsuits.
You know, a few years back, I used to buy CDs after hearing a song from an album I had downloaded. I don't do that anymore. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -108/+125good luck convincing the kids on digg of that. they all seem to believe they are entitled to free things, they deserve free isos, free music, free everything
what a world, huh? - Adoozie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19I recommend you do some research on the nature of encryption.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16tor is not made for p2p use..
I am all for free versions as well
but i also applaud the pirate party for providing a p2p friendly vpn which is totally differnt than TOR.
It wont take any business from tor as tor is free as you meantion and the people that dont need p2p and just want anon will still use it.
I thank the pirate party for providing this at a cheap price and to allow an easy way to donate to the party - curtvdh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15It's important to remember that Copyright (despite the name) is not a right. At least not in the sense that freedom of religion, speech and press is, as codified in the Bill of Rights. Copyright is a *privelege* that is granted by the people to the copyright holders *for a limited time*. (See: the US Constitution). The copyright holders would like you to forget that fact, and have nearly succeeded in confusing 'privelege' with 'right', and have forced their paid puppets in Congress to vastly extend the 'limited period' of copyright, far longer than the Founders intended (i.e. 14 years).
The original intent of copyright was to encourage innovation in the marketplace of ideas. Where do you think Disney got most of the storylines for their 'blockbuster' movies? From the Public Domain, naturally. Of course, when it became their turn to pass back the privelege to the people, and allow their own works to pass into the Public Domain, they fought tooth and nail to prevent it.
Too bad - we're not going to let that happen. The RIAA and MPAA can have all the paid stooges they want - at the end of the day the power lies with the *people*. And since copyright is actually a privelege, not a right, it can just as easily be revoked. - Nightfall, on 10/12/2007, -39/+54dmr0240:
I agree. IMO, the RIAA and MPAA both have their heads up their asses, but that doesn't give anyone the excuse to pirate. I don't purchase music or movies that benefit these groups, but I also don't take the time to pirate it either. Everyone who says to boycott the RIAA and MPAA, but yet take the time to infringe on copyright are talking out their asses.
Software is a different situation than music or movies for that matter. I have a lot of friends who work in the software industry. Some of them deal with rampant theft of their product with cracks and warez that it would surprise you. Its something that does need to be addressed and software companies can't fight it effectively.
You can't lump everyone into the whole RIAA and MPAA suck statement. There are a lot of software companies and such that are having their product distrubuted illegally and are getting ripped off.
Its a problem thats for sure. - jwegan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Looks like you need to take Cryptography 101. The point of encryption is so the man in the middle cannot reverse the encryption.
- LoonBB, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17It is an odd thing living in the "Land of the Free(tm)" these days.
Now we have to use secret sources from places like the nordics and Russia in order to freely access information. How far the mighty have fallen.
RIAA is doubleplusgood!! - IceIX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Maybe you didn't RTFA, but they go into some detail on the Relakks site about how much of a paper trail they keep, and it doesn't sound like much. I also don't see much of a logical leap between paying for an internet connection and paying for an extra service layer on that connection to keep it anonymous.
- DrDabbles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13What you need to realize here, is that this network is not JUST about piracy. RTFA! Since I got on the 'net (well over 10 years ago now) I have known of government programs used to spy on citizens traffic. These have existed in many forms for many purposes in many nations. The UK and the US are the most brazen about their ability, and they make barely any attempt to hide the fact.
The REAL purpose of TOR, I2P, and now this network, is anonymity. Simply put, these services can be used to reverse the "chilling effect" government (and corporate) spying has on people. Nobody speaks out when they know they'll be arrested within hours for "terrorism".
Do I believe I deserve free music, movies, books, and merchandise? No. And because of that I do not download music from P2P networks, and I do not shoplift. However, I DO download TV shows that have been publicly broadcast, or have appeared on channels I already subscribe to. I feel that if you broadcast data into the open on normal TV waves...you've essentially made it public. Just like the argument of me forcing my WiFi into your home.
/gets off soap box
Anyway, the point here is not just for piracy but for anonymity. Things can still be traced, it would just take a massive international effort to do so. If you're afraid that something you say or do on-line will get you in trouble legally, it's probably best not to do it. If you think you have the right to do something on-line (speak out against actions, corporations, governments, etc.) and you're afraid you'll get in trouble legally...you need to check your citizenship. - l4nc3r, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16You know, not to be like paranoid or anything, but I hate it when something good comes out like this and it scares the hell outa me that it might be a Record company or some FBI people. I like things like thi but at the same time in this day of age you cant help but to think that it could be a big scam and were attracted to it. But we shall see what happens.
Viva La Pirating. - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14"When's the last time you heard of someone being sued for using IRC or Usenet for piracy?"
Article: 'MPAA targets IRC users', pub. 2003
http://tinyurl.com/qhoxw
You're right though -- they spend most of their time on the services where the bulk of piracy occurs. - flameboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11From the site->
For Swedish authorities to force RELAKKS to hand over “traffic data” including your RELAKKS IP at a specific point in time, they will have to prove a case with the minimum sentence of two years imprisonment.
hmmmm.... - nstern2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11They dont keep a database
"RELAKKS Safe Surf enjoys the strongest legal protection possible under Swedish Law because of the service type (pre-paid flat-rate service). This means that RELAKKS do not have to keep an ordinary customer database (to be able handle transactions etc.). This is of importance if forced to hand over information." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Faskill: Oh yes, society sets the laws. And I must follow society. ***** society, ***** the government. I am not going to support a government who kills innocent people and is in a war for ***** oil.
I'm sorry sir, but everyone is on their own. The government and large companies don't give a flying ***** about us. They want money and that's it. I am not going to spend 10,15 or 20 on an album unless I love it. And I am definitely not going to support a company that sues innocent people.
Arr. I am a pirate. - niiru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Considering they are piracy/any other information friendly and they provide the service so that you can use it with all of your internet applications, it must be a considerable amount of bandwidth that they eat up providing this.
It wouldn't be feasable to provide this service reliably and fast for free. - CatfishJones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@diggn_it
We should put a stop to all scientific research and throw out current advances as to not put anyone out of a job.[/sarcasm] - Curufir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"The other way the government could mess with this service is by getting a court order that forces Relakks to divulge its client database and network history."
Wrong government. We aren't all living in a corporocracy. - mrhahn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Speed, I'd imagine. From the Legal page, "RELAKKS is fast and you get exactly the same bandwidth as you get from your ISP today (i.e. if you have a 100 Mbps connection from your existing ISP you will get the same bandwidth from RELAKKS)."
- Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Encryption is good. I signed up.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8My dreams have come true. I'm gonna move to Sweden.
- Germanopinion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@ diggn_it
so do you (your family) have a car?
If yes, then thats the cause of something called evolution resp. technological evolvement.
by using a car instead of using a horse for your transprotation needs YOU are part of the problem that has killed the horsebreading industry in the last century.
Same with farmers; if their "business-modell" (growing food) would be obsolete then they have to evolve. The horsebreading business had to do the same...
And the businessmodell of copying and distributing from a single hiraricle point is simply obsolete in a world of 0's and 1's.
Those that still use this business modell are fighting now against evolution and are unwilling to adopt their business modell! Thats their fault. not the fault of the people!
Why have they killed napster back in the beginning of this century instead of adopting that technology then and making a working business modell for them? Because its about control. not about "giving a living for the creating artist thru enforcement of copyrights"
I for my part being glad that the horsebreading business back in the last century haden't had the power those controlfreaks at MAFIAA gaining our days! - teethman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9The food industry of america would rather see millions of ethiopians starve then to live on replicated food?
- demonicume, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13yeah, you missed the point. capitalism is free and open. communism would be the opposite. the *AA's position is not one of capitalism. they are monitoring people and infringing on basic freedoms. they havea monopoly on their product. if were are to buy anything, we have to buy from them - so their are, in fact - deciding what we buy. rather than compete with Pirates by putting out better products, they alienate their customers because they know (lease see above) that we have no one else to go to.
drug dealers do the same thing when they kill other drug dealers over turf. - sovietninja, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10He is talking about the state watching what you are doing, like KGB in Soviet Union. Thats why he says go to a commie country, comraden.
- neoform, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9dontbflat: you need to look up SSL on google.
- cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Thoreau's classic on disobedience to unjust law and authority should be something you might want to read.
- WarpFox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Touche, dude :)
Truth be told, I havent watched half of the movies i've downloaded- But I like to collect, and ***** the establishment. -
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