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- TritonX, on 08/28/2008, -1/+19The real thieves are the distributors, usually they take most of the profits from sales without the work. They are not needed in this digital age where everyone can be a distributor for their favorite artist thus cutting the cost of distribution, if you really want to support an artist you like, buy their merchandise or their CDs off their website(if they are allowed to by their distributor). It's no secret that most major artist make their biggest profit with the shows. Torrents are the most efficient way to get distributed worldwide in a matter of hours, its up to the artist and their management to take advantage of this and stop making their fans criminals.
- MScrip, on 08/28/2008, -2/+16The last line says, "Support the artists you like or lose them."
Small artists struggle anyway. Your band may not be good enough to book a gig at the hotspot in town, so you play at a small coffee house instead. The big venue in town seats 400 people, so there's a good chance you'd sell some merch. But, you played at the coffee house for an audience of 10. Whether or not your album is torrented around, you just didn't have a good night for sales. You can't blame piracy. A better band in your town has every weekend booked.
Big artists can have the #1 selling album and the #1 pirated album. Go count the seeds for the Jonas Brothers. And now check their sales. They sell well despite piracy.
If you're good, you'll make money. If you suck, you don't... period. - Mooseka, on 08/28/2008, -0/+12I wouldn't have bought any of the cds i own if I hadn't heard them first on the internet.
- orangeguitar311, on 08/28/2008, -0/+12But don't a lot of upstart and lesser known artists rely on things like file sharing to get their music to a larger audience? There is no way I would know of some amazing bands without them putting their music out there for free and encouraging people to share it.
And as TritonX stated, most big time artists make loads more money off of touring than they will off of selling CDs. - look4alec, on 08/28/2008, -0/+11I am such a nerd that I didn't even notice the != until you pointed it out, my brain had just translated it without telling me.
- TikiTHPS, on 08/28/2008, -2/+11people that hate on filesharing and think that bands would be in the same place they are without it are idiots.
buried for inaccuracy. - muxaulo, on 08/28/2008, -2/+11"Piracy is not equal to Theft"
In case anyone is lost at "Hello World" - ryan83189, on 08/28/2008, -0/+5They're so poor they had to make that in paint.
- WickEd101, on 08/28/2008, -0/+5Thanks, I mistranslated it is Equals Factorial.
- badwithcomputer, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4as someone who enjoys messing around with music in my spare time, i know that giving away music for free is the best thing to ever happen to me. i gave away my last album through a digg submission and it got ~50k downloads and my Last.fm listens have shot up in a major way.
that said, i still think the artist here makes an interesting point that isn't the typical "gimme gimme gimme" attitude towards our imaginary rights to download free content. - Buckwyld, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4Unfortunately, I buy my MP3s, but I don't believe music should be a "job" that makes you money. If you love music, you make it and if you don't like a certain type of music you don't listen to it. I would rather see someone make a significant change in the world through mathematics, engineering or some other technical skill rather than play an instrument. There are too many people trying to take the easy way out.
Love the music, not the money, just make music a hobby and don't expect to get rich off of it. But, if you are good, play live shows and let the people enjoy your music. - chrgra, on 08/28/2008, -5/+9i like the use of programming logic, i.e. "!=". In case anyone is lost at the title, the translation is "Piracy isn't Theft...."
- elshizzo, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4ditto
- failedpimp, on 08/29/2008, -0/+4File sharing = Best thing to ever happen to music. Artist now can promote and distribute their own music. This means more artist can make good money but there will be fewer super rich artists.
File sharing is not good for the movie industry. Movies cost a lot of money to make and it takes 100's of people to make one. Plus it takes years to make a single movie. Even low budget movies still cost a few million dollars. If people stop paying for movies you can kiss them goodbye. Especially the huge big budget flicks like Iron Man and Dark Knight. - Buckwyld, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3See, this is where I think musicians go wrong. It's the hard experiences of life that make good music and honestly, in my opinion, original albums are some of the best music a band ever makes. Some do make great second albums, but most of the time the "gig is up" for a band after a couple albums. Maybe this is because they don't have those real life experiences anymore and only write about themselves and worry about the money. It's as if they don't connect with their fans because they want to "grow up" or get "experimental." I don't know... that was kind of a rambling.
- luke16, on 08/28/2008, -0/+3"Bands certainly make more money from concerts. Most major label contracts only pay a small fraction of each CD-- there are many, many reductions taken from the artist's royalties. So unless your CD sells millions of units, you're not going to make much. For live performances, however, the artist keeps most of the money.
Basically this can be extended to the debate about pirating digital music: it's not going to kill the artist, it's only killing the record companies.
Here's a great article on the subject:
http://www.musiclaw.info/contractbasics.html" - smotpoker, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3Can != Will.
If you really want want to support your artists, ***** donate some money DIRECTLY TO them. Don't pay their producer/label 50x more than the artist gets for a CD you won't use half filled with songs you don't like or think aren't really worth paying for.
Don't run around encouraging people to support labels that are only out to scam both the customer and the artist. - Grovulent, on 08/29/2008, -1/+4Translation: support the multinational companies you hate so they can continue to try to enforce overly restrictive intellectual property laws that stifle creativity and hurt the creative, including the efforts being undertaken to destroy the creative commons which serves as competition for their generally 3rd rate products.
- GliTCH82, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2Last time I checked you need an infinite number of pirates to be able to claim there are an infinite number of copies being made.
- 9mmCensor, on 08/28/2008, -1/+3If 10% of people who listen to your music like it, and 10% of those people will pay to see you in concert, then it is great if 100,000 download your album. That means 10,000 people like your music, which as an artist you should be happy that people enjoy your work, and that means that 1,000 people will support you financially.
There is a new business model for music, adapt or die. - elshizzo, on 08/28/2008, -1/+3Let's say that, instead of music, people pirated food to give away to Children in africa, or pirated medical equipment to give away to hospitals, would piracy be wrong then? And please, don't act like the music industry or the movie industry are victims, they are making more dough than they could ever dream of. The real problem people have with piracy is that it is essentially anti-corporation/anti-capitalist. A bunch of rich capitalists can't stand that someone would share something [that they paid for] with someone else without making a profit off of them. Sharing is communism [oooo evil]
- Diggrock, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2using your equation, that means the jonas brothers are good...
- satanguy, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2ya can't fight piracy, you got to change the business model, embrace it so to speak....
open source music ftw! - teriyakisause, on 08/28/2008, -0/+2Party pooper.
- Ymeg, on 08/28/2008, -0/+1Most people I know would not get so erked about this if they just admitted they have no moral high ground. You are not some supreme defender of "freedom"--you just don't want to shell out the money.
Also, it does not matter if it is a some small person in his house or a company, the act is still the same.
As for being worse: It really depends if the argument from potential in this circumstance is legit. - BlaqReaper, on 08/28/2008, -0/+1The only thing I think piracy actually hurts badly are the game companies where the developers (who are treated like crap) earn even less due to poor game sales (correct me if I'm wrong here). Artists have concerts, tours, and merchandise (this is where they earn most of their money anyways) and movies have a grace period since most people would prefer to go to theaters (for a good movie) instead of watching a poor cam version.
- MScrip, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1To a certain demographic, yes. Mostly teen girls... but, yes, the Jonas Brothers are a success.
You assume everyone likes all types and genres of music. Teen pop is just one category of music.
My point is that bands can sell tons of CDs, merchandise and sell out tours, and still be all over bittorrent too. - failedpimp, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1If you can support yourself by making and playing music you can spend all your time making more music. But if you have a 9-5, that's 40 hours a week you cannot spend making music.
- inactive, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1If you're genuinely good, your listeners will KNOW They're missing out. Case closed.
- chetanthaker, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1RIAA THE *****
- 22magnum, on 08/29/2008, -1/+2I don't think you quite get it... Theft takes the product so the artist loses money, piracy makes a duplicate, artist neither gains or loses money. so therefor negative $10 dollars is a larger lose than zero dollars. so theft is worse than piracy, unless you think a deficit is a good thing...
btw, did you have permission to reuse that image, or did you *hmmm* say pirate it? - sklter84, on 08/28/2008, -4/+4And both will be hurt by piracy, just the small artist more so than the big one.
- inactive, on 08/29/2008, -2/+2That has to be the worst diagram I have ever seen. They couldn't even find the button to make squares in MS PAINT.
- Ymeg, on 08/28/2008, -2/+1It does not matter what situation the people you take from are in. Piracy is still piracy. You can not rationalize stealing just because the victim is rich.
Your medical statement holds no ground. All you are doing is attempting to appeal to emotion.
What if I pirated some poison and gave it to serial killers? What if I pirated some nukes and gave it to some insane person? All of it is wrong. The premise is still the same. You are subjectively basing your argument, which will leads to logical fallacies..
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