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- latova, on 10/12/2007, -1/+58Lack of legit services will teach them not to do piracy.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24More like Apple is not going to bother to compete. Believe it or not, its preferable to just buy a DVD off the street in China, complete with sealed packaging, realistic booklet, and even a hologram seal of authenticity (yes I know...) for $2 US Dollars, ; rather than paying $9.95 USD and being DRMed from iTunes.
- LarsHin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19"In India corruption is under the table, in China it is over the table, and in Indonesia it includes the table." It's no wonder iTunes is avoiding Asia. They are scared of the frivolous lawsuits that keep popping up.
- portis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Who wants to pirate low def content anyways?
- rewritable, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Oh that will stop them.............
- eleven, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Hell there are no iTunes movies in Canada either. I don't think they're too worried about pirates, more likely its all the different regulations they have to deal with for each new country..
- Elektriq, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Well... basically everyone outside of the US will have a wait for a ***** of time before they can use the services. ***** you, MPAA.
- ZaNkY, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Dude who the *censored* do you think you are? Who/What gives you the right to judge 2.5+ billion people on the account of 2 people in your rich neighborhood?
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ITunues probably doesn't even have a share in the market in Asian countries. A lot of Asian countries are more advanced than us in the US anyways. Korea and Japan have their own iPod like devices, their own content distribution centers....
More than likely they were KICKED out of Asia.... I mean a couple Korean companies build their own iPods that are better than iPods for crying out loud! Why would they need Apple over there? - ThirdPrize, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7So, they like the Pirates of the Caribbean but not the Pirates of the Far East. There's double standards for you.
- StevoCJ, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Never speak again. You shame me.
- gothfox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Elektriq, nah, it's okay. If MPAA and Apple don't want to provide legal service for me, I will find my media myself, thank you very much. And I'm one of those rare russians who actually buys licensed computer games and such from time to time.
- xjkx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Currently, the iTunes store is available in Australia and Japan, and that's going to be it for Asia and Oceania"
What about New Zealand, we ain't half as bad as the Aussie's... - mindtrick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Asians do not buy movies, they buy rapidshare accounts.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That's OK, that way they can continue pirating with the regular xvid you get on the Internet which is better quality and harder to trace...sure taught them a lesson, didn't they?
- futaris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I didn't realize that this proverb came from Asia Times Online:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HH19Df01.html - praveenmarkandu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4dont forget malaysia. a DVD for 2 US dollars. but by not providing a cheap and fast alternative source for movies... its only fueling piracy.
- unsliced, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Well it's no movies for the UK store so far, either. I guess we must be pirates too.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Nono, read my post. Its cheaper to just buy it off any street in China for $2 USD complete with realistic packaging. You can also buy a whole bunch of movies on a spindle for $0.45-50 cents a disc.
What about convenience?
You can also go to any netcafe in China (how most Chinese get online) and many now offer high quality movie downloads from a server in the network so you can burn it to a disc for a few cents or watch it there. iTunes just isn't as convenient. - praveenmarkandu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4your embarassing yourself. shut up.
- bluemist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It sounds like "Sorry I surrender because I can't take on the Pirates".
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Story made me laugh a little. I do computer/sat comms service on cargo ships. We just got a new service contract for a shipping line based out of the Phillippines. I visited one of the ships for the first time today. Gee, was I surprised to find that not one piece of software on that ship was a legitimate copy? Not really. It really does seem like many people in some Asian nations just do not care at all about paying for software, but I never had any idea that it was so widespread that entire companies were running their operations with pirated software.
I work in Seattle too. Hell, I could have called the BSA and had a Microsoft attorney on board within a half hour. But I'm a nice guy. - wphj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ok, I see no reason why it would be apple not wanting to go to Asia. It's probably the MPAA or the Studios.
It's not Apple's fault that the video store isn't overseas, they want to sell as much as they can. It's the studios and the networks that aren't letting it happen. - Jimtac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe that's why we don't get them up here in Canada. TV/Film companies are afraid of the huge broadband penetration in the great white north. Don't they know that will just force people to pirate more. I am more than willing to pay for convenience, but when I can't even give them money for the legal, albeit crappy, "near-DVD quality" movies, I'll just have to get my digital movies/TV some other way.
- cal0001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Australia has the worst copyright laws until last month it was against the law to copy music on to an iPod so i hope we get the movie store.
- eesser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Strange. I live in Shanghai, and I've probably bought 50 songs on iTunes, and at least 15 TV programs. As far as I can tell, I can access iTunes just fine. But, I haven't tried downloading a movie yet, because my measly 512kb (on a very good day) connection means it would take way too many hours to download one anyway.
Re piracy, I'm looking down from my balcony right now at three street vendors with little wooden boxes on the back of their bikes that each contact maybe 300 DVDs. They are there every day and night, and I must walk past at least 3-6 people screaming "DVD" to get to my local supermarket.
DVD piracy is absolutely rampant here. However, the movies I've purchased (yes, several) are of such poor quality that I would GLADLY pay $10-20 for a "normal" DVD if it was possible to buy them here. I mean, really really poor quality. Generally not direct DVD copies (often even the ones that say "complex direct copy"), it seems they are at best mpegs downloaded from a torrent, and often movie-theater-camcorder style copies. Many don't even play. Many have Chinese subtitles that won't turn off. So, you have to buy 3 or 4 to get one that plays properly.
As it is, the selection of "real" DVDs in stores is so limited it's ridiculous. Of course there are good reasons I'm sure for that, including censorship, piracy (anything on the shelf will be copied in a day, and then will really be a "complex direct copy" on the street), and the fact that most folks here are living on 2500RMB / month, and would never pay 150RMB for a "real DVD". I've bought 5-7 "real" dvds from the stores here, and they are fine, but there just isn't enough of a selection.
Did I just admit to piracy? - redwire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"What about New Zealand, we ain't half as bad as the Aussie's..."
Don't hold your breath while we have it in Australia it isn't the US one, the only services offered are:
Music
Podcasts
Audiobooks
Games
There is no movies, TV Series or any of the other features they have in the US and the same goes for most other countries if you flick through the country list at that bottom of the iTunes Store main pages. And its worth mentioning that even the music/audioboks etc are signifigantly reduced, I don't know if anyones ever done a direct comparision as to whats available but there is large chunks of popular material on the US store that isn't in the Australia store and I am going to assume elsewhere. - futaris, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3LOL. This is pretty much on the ball.
- bluemist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, wait until 2007. I'm quite sure that every country who has iTMS will have movies.
- indijay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Even though I DO agree that corruption has become part and parcel of the system in India, I don't see 'good quality' pirated stuff much. If you prefer watching cam print movie and something like that then you will get a lot in India for €1 or so but the quality stuff would come from other places.
If you talk of only piracy then there is a lot of piracy through high-speed internet, where India lacks miserably. Then you know where is max piracy!!!, the northern part of the world, try to download anything using bittorrent and then you know where you are connected to....
I think Apple is promoting piracy by not providing legitimate source. Who wants to see that crappy cam print?? I will always prefer legal copy and that too if its available that easily, why not?? Why to play with the legal system and burn your arse? - geforceter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1lol....more reasons to pirate!!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1whogives a *****,
you get teh best ***** here just for less then 2USD, :D
you name it, its all over here, "warez stores" - OsakaWilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would like to see the Apple HQ filled with livestock that all simultaneously relieve themselves onto the floor. Then I'd take my little "Noah's Ark" routine to all the other internet media services that don't want me to give them my money in exchange for copies of their movies and music.
- tsunamisteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Please direct you attention to the top of this page. Next to the shiny yellow button you'll see a link that is the color blue. Click it.
(Though you have to admit the Ars article is making some assumptions, albeit good ones. The quotes in it don't specifically include references to piracy.) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It'll just get ripped in the US, shared over to Asia and then... bam!
Surely? - praveenmarkandu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Grimdotdotdot: my mistake. my england is bad :)
- eesser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1/begin tangent/ so what the hell is with all of the marked as inaccruate action on Digg these days? For the first X months I surfed this site, I don't think I saw one single "marked as inaccruate" article. Now, it seems like almost 10% of articles are marked this way. This kind of wordsmithing is a huge waste of time. I saw a OP-ED piece (!) marked inaccurate the other day. How can an OPINION be wrong? I know, I know, the response will be that the facts cited in the op-ed are wrong, but gimme a break, it was an EDITORIAL - an opinion.
So, yes, indeed you might argue that the comment on the article is inaccurate, but unless you're disputing that Apple is not, as the basic point of the article states, preventing the use of their iTunes store in Asia, then it's "inaccurate" to say the article is inaccurate.
/end tangent/ - Yage2006, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1***** load of good that will do. And very backwards thinking. All there movies are already available there on either sites or silver shops. They would have at least had a legal all be it lame and expensive alternative.
Guess nobody would have used it anyway ;) - jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's not regulations, it's distribution rights. Every country has its own companies that negotiate with the studios for distribution rights. It's the same reason there are no tv shows in the itunes store anywhere but the states.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1How dare you call it how it is over there you racist! :)
- luckyaba, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2This makes total sense.!!
I saw an asian selling pirated software once so we are gonna just lock out the whole damn country...... LOL
thats like saying i saw a fat american so we aren't gonna sell cheesburgers to america anymore. - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"I saw an asian selling pirated software once so we are gonna just lock out the whole damn country"
Oh look, another American that doesn't have a passport yet! Try travelling over there and come back and tell us about the one asian pirate you have seen... per pavement block. - Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3"Who/What gives you the right to judge 2.5+ billion people on the account of 2 people in your rich neighborhood?"
The same people who gave iTunes the right to do the same thing.
And if you want to say '*****', say '*****', not *censored*. - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"No iTunes movies for Asia, Due to Piracy"
I hope they don't start wondering why there's piracy after moves like these. - MrJazzMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Have you ever seen TV Series or Movies for sale under any other Itunes Store besides The United States one ?!?!?! Try it yourself, change store and you'll see you can't buy TV Series Episodes or Movies from anywhere in the globe except in the US.
Cheers,
Jazz - Jimtac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1The percentage of people pirating in Asian countries is likely not that much greater than in the rest of the world (when legitimate means of acquisition are available), but there is a giant difference in the number of people between Asia, and most notably North America, and therefore the number of times you run into piracy.
If you lived in a small rural town where there's no access to legitimate software retailers, but there is Internet access, you would most likely find that there is a higher percentage of piracy there. Plus when you have a shipping line whose ships are registered out of a "Flag of Convenience" country, do you really think that paying for something that they can get away with taking for free is a moral concern for the owners?
As long as it is cheaper, or at least more convenient to pirate, it will continue. Companies need to make money, and people always want the better deal. In the end a balance needs to be found in order to curb piracy, even while knowing that it will never go away completely. There will always be someone trying to get the proverbial "Free Lunch". - bt0127, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Huh? Who said this had to do with piracy? Apple's marketing director only admitted that music and movies are not available in Asia, and Eric Bangeman decides it's because of piracy in Asia. Sure there is piracy in Asia, and iTunes isn't available there, but does that necessarily imply a correlation? Show me an actual source.
- luckyaba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0dddrrrrr continent
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1who needs itunes when there is http://www.verycd.com/
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"its only fueling piracy"
Yeah, that's like saying that you are adding peddle power to a nuclear reactor. The fire is already burning bright enough, how can you increase piracy in regions that already virtually pirate everything already??
The cost of setting up in an international region, along with region specific localisations and marketing doesn't make sense if the market has shown time and again that they prefer to get things without paying for them. - coolharshal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I'm too excited about the Zune..
Who cares about iTunes now..
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