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- djohnmalkovich2, on 01/07/2008, -2/+22"...But in hundreds of instances, the result has been precisely the opposite: they fail unpredictably, and in extremely strange ways; voters report that their choices “flip” from one candidate to another before their eyes; machines crash or begin to count backward; votes simply vanish. "
"(In the 80-person town of Waldenburg, Ark., touch-screen machines tallied zero votes for one mayoral candidate in 2006 — even though he’s pretty sure he voted for himself.)"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06Vote- ... - Archer007, on 01/07/2008, -1/+18"...It runs Windows CE as its operating system..."
Great. Just what we need. Windows Crash Edition. - rfugal, on 01/07/2008, -0/+14The argument behind electronic voting is that it is easier for the voter, it is more accurate, and it reduces the manpower needed to count the vote. Many counties have turned to electronic voting because they don't have enough volunteers to count the vote.
Electronic voting obviously does not fix these problems. But here's some suggestions for any politician or influential person who is reading. And for the rest of you who are concerned about this, volunteer to be a poll worker.
Do not put electronic voting machines on a network. Use a voting machine that records the vote internally and prints a optically scannable receipt. The voter then places his receipt in the ballot box. The machine gives a tally at the end of the day that can be reported instantly (by a real person), and the ballot box can be quickly counted by optical scanner in a recount. Simple, auditable, fast, efficient. What else do you need? - birdly, on 01/07/2008, -1/+14He already did....two times.
- TexMexMatt, on 01/07/2008, -0/+9Its in situations like that I am really glad that in Sweden, where I am from, you take a piece of paper with the party you are voting for or a yes or no paper if its a specific issue that is up for vote, and put that into one envelope and then stick that envelope into the box. Its so simple. One envelope = one vote. Counting them is done with machines and by hand and is very accurate. Why have lots of stuff on one paper and punch holes or mark check boxes?? KISS, Keep it Simple, Stupid! That is the way to go.
- dorey, on 01/07/2008, -2/+11Require transparency in the software running the machines! Run open source code with a reliable paper trail to have a system that computer scientists agree can tabulate votes effectively and accurately. See the Open Voting Consortium at openvoting.org for details.
- NeoRebellion, on 01/07/2008, -4/+11Couldn't imagine what would happen if they changed all 15 of the Ron Paul votes. (yeah, i said it - now mass digg me down)
- Hobbes24, on 01/07/2008, -0/+7just about to say that.
if snakes on a plane has tought us anything, it's that internet hype does not translate to actual results - Ophelia870, on 01/07/2008, -2/+9Every American has a cell phone by now, let's just text our votes!.... yikes.
I'm glad this is getting attention, but I'm not going to get my hopes up that another (Yes, another. This had been reported on - and ignored - many times) article about voter fraud is going to change a thing. The sad truth is we read these things and feel outraged but do nothing. I'm not sure what to do either, and I wish I did. - tgc1, on 01/07/2008, -0/+5Defective by Design.
- PerfectMac, on 01/07/2008, -1/+6Why vote? Your vote doesn't matter any more here than it does in China. Just get back to your cubicle, and gimme those TPS reports!
- Aidenf77, on 01/07/2008, -0/+4The spokesman for Diebold actually had the audacity to blame the Cuyahoga County voting fiasco on user error. That kind of arrogance and denial smacks heavily of the type of rhetoric and excuses that Sony continually engages in. From reading that article, it sounds like Diebold mishandled almost every step of the voting machine production process; right down to their user manuals. The onus is on developers to make their systems dummy proof, and bullet proof (especially in the case of voting systems)... and it sounds like Diebold failed at both.
- rclay, on 01/07/2008, -0/+4Fortunately, the Diebold machines were decertified in California. I don't think it is possible to eliminate 100% of voter fraud. However, I don't want to automate fraud to make it any easier.
- inactive, on 01/07/2008, -0/+4Hey, it stands to reason that if he got 10% in Iowa, which isn't usually libertarian anyway, he should do at least as well in NH, which is.
- inactive, on 01/07/2008, -0/+4My take on this is this: the machines have been compromised and are not reliable. The voting machine companies have been shown to be corrupt and incompetent. We need to go backe to paper votes. Its the only way. There should be a legal challenge at the court about states beig allowed to use these useless machines. No votes counted. No Democracy.
- pkonink, on 01/07/2008, -0/+3This is one of those situations where an open source effort would truly shine.
- benroy, on 01/07/2008, -0/+3The pic under the header looks like a room from Half Life 2. It has a distinct Combine vibe to it.
But seriously, everyone shold see the HBO film "Hacking Democracy". They prove that Diebold machines are easily hackable. - aussieNickuss, on 01/07/2008, -0/+3Also make reading back the receipt much faster.....like reading an audio tape.
- inactive, on 01/07/2008, -0/+3Why do we have to have instant results? Is this country so attention deficit that a hand count of all ballots would render us goofy? I'm willing to wait a week to see who wins. The only people who benefit from quick results are the bookies. If you don't have money riding on it, whats a few more days?
- inactive, on 01/07/2008, -0/+3It's only going to scare off old voters, maybe it'll encourage younger voters.
Carson Daly for president 2012! - weebit, on 01/07/2008, -0/+3cell phones are even more relevant than they were at the last election. So take your cell phone with you when you vote this year, and if the machine acts up document it with the cell phones camera.
- bemenaker, on 01/07/2008, -0/+3My dad saw his vote flip twice on a touch screen in 04 in SW Ohio. He finally found the place on the screen to hit so that it would register correctly. From his description this didn't sound like just a calibration issue, but the bounding box was place off the section you actually hit. If he wasn't a technically minded person, he wouldn't have been able to vote the way he wanted.
- inactive, on 01/07/2008, -0/+3User Error? The whole point of having these machines was to prevent user error, so it is their problem.
- birdly, on 01/07/2008, -1/+3Kinda makes you feel stupid for even taking the time to vote......
- inactive, on 01/07/2008, -1/+3You don't even need to do that. Just have a machine with a window on it, and a paper tape that prints, displays the result in the window, and then rewinds it on another spool. That way votes can't be "spliced" in or out, since cutting the paper would make it obvious.
- truck87bp, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2We The People want a "Voter Verification Bill" now, before Nov of 2008. A printout of your voting number and your vote made public on a .gov web site in each State. If we are voting electronic it should be simple to do. You can then verify your own vote and see the actually tally. With 79% of America having online access, we should be able to Vote at Home and see instant results. We also want open source used for voting.
Voting is not on a "Need to Know basis" its our right! - xero69, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2Excellent idea! Let's document the hijacking of our democracy for the whole world to witness, then we might have some international help clearing the crooks out of our government.
- Delphium226, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2Coding voting system software is not brain surgery. You have to be a seriously sh1t developer or just plain corrupt to get it so wrong.
- MrEddy, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2WoW just wow... I mean I didn't trust these machines for several reasons. Now I have so many more reasons not to trust them. But, i'm glad to see that the government is finally coming to see that the are a bad bad BAD idea.
- enri, on 01/07/2008, -0/+2If these things happened when we used an ATM machine this entire country would be up in arms. Why can't these companies make their voting machines as reliable and secure as their ATM machines?
- Schneckehaus, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1Voting is supposed to be anonymous, its to stop people from being able to influence eachothers votes through coercion.
It is important that it remain anonymous.
Coercion is more dangerous than fraud. - darny, on 01/07/2008, -1/+2i don't agree with perfectMac's "why vote" sentiment, but I voted for Gore, Gore won my state, etc., but we still seem to be in Iraq.
and buried for calling him a douchebag. - aussieNickuss, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1That photo reminds me of the scene out of iRobot. It's like they're about to come alive and attack or something.
- DCusaVietnamVet, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1I was a volunteer in NH and saw many people who couldn't speak english working for the clinton Campaign. I heard that anyone could get registered to vote if they gave an address with a simple letter from that address saying they were moving in there. Myself i want my vote to count in Pa so i didn't try to register in NH and well that would be dishonest. The site WHO CAN REGISTER http://www.sos.nh.gov/vote.htm explains it all.
- principle, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1This article makes it clear that printers are not robust enough to serve as a legal ballot, and that they were forced, in the end, to discard much of their paper and simply trust that the machines had recorded the votes accurately in digital memory. What is need is a reliable electronic voting machine without a paper trail that clearly does nothing but hamper the process.
- Winston84, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1The headline is wrong, it should have been : "These machines can't count" .
- rumagin, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1and this information has been around since before Bush's re-election. Ive always wondered why it never made the front pages before
- cdanford, on 01/07/2008, -1/+2have to be careful.... leet h4x0rz be about.
- Midnitte, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1He cares more for the world then you do, which is saying he cares more about your house then you do. Eh.
- Cerebral, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1Well I don't know what to think... well other than let's hope Ron Paul uses all his $$$ to buy some good H4x0rZ to win!
- Humpasaur, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1Hell no they can't be trusted, so WHY TRUST THEM? Let's steal the election ourselves in 2008! Don't leave it to the professionals this time.
http://www.brainsturbator.com/site/comments/lets_s ... - inactive, on 01/07/2008, -4/+5Considering the shenanigans concerning Ron Paul at debates, I'm concerned that my vote for Ron Paul will be lost if it's paper and hacked away if it's electronic. We need supervised, filmed hand counting with a second supervised filmed hand count to confirm. Isn't it amazing they can count stacks of money and get it right a 1000 times a day but elections ... not so much. I wish I lived in a free democracy. That would be great!
- enri, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1I want a poster sized print of this issue's magazine cover. It shows a voting booth with sparks coming out the top. The headline reads, "WARNING. Your vote may be lost, destroyed, miscounted, wrongly attributed or hacked." I want to post it at all voting centers in my area.
- inactive, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1Just print a ballot on the PC and let people fill it out. Then shove it in a box after checking their ID and marking their name off the list. Simple. Oh wait, checking ID's is out for the lefties. Oh well, back to the touch screens.
- truck87bp, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1We should also be able to vote from work. This would save Billions of lost prductivtiy $. Voting is a right but it doesn't also need to be a vacation day either.
- fuseideas, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1Dude,
You shouldn't have gotten a Dell. It'd run fine if it was Mac-based! - shmajent, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1Dugg for the title/description pun.
- Midnitte, on 01/07/2008, -0/+0Nothing beats voting on paper.
No its not, but people still influence each other weather they mean too or not, so it's never truly "anonymous", This isn't 4Chan after all. - inactive, on 01/07/2008, -1/+1Maybe in Africa or South America. I think in this day in the USA, coercion is likely a thing of the past. Maybe not, but I believe it is. This isn't the a third world country. (yet)
- Chucara, on 01/07/2008, -0/+0I love this comment:
Senator Bill Nelson, a Democrat of Florida, and Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat of Rhode Island, have even sponsored a bill that would ban the use of touch-screen machines across the country by 2012.
First of all, why wait until 2012. Any issues could be fixed by then..
Second - why the emphasis on touch-screen? If they use a normal monitor and a mouse, will it fix the problems? -
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