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- bobgoat, on 10/12/2007, -17/+94"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - just so long as I'm the dictator."
-- George W. Bush - bobgoat, on 10/12/2007, -7/+57Whatever happened to probable cause?
We are now a nation of 300 million suspects. - bobgoat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+52http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=256103 - strangerzero, on 10/12/2007, -19/+66America is becoming a dictatorship.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+48Right after 9/11 George Bush said "the terrorists want to take away your freedoms(sic)".
Now you know who the "terrorists" are. - FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -9/+50holy crap
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+47"America is becoming a dictatorship."
Wrong tense.
Find the correct word to remove. - drvelocity, on 10/12/2007, -7/+38Might I suggest you move that "stuff" from the back of your head to the front, and read 1984 over and over again until "a bit" turns into "*****". Because faster than I could have ever thought possible that is exactly where we are headed unless either Congress (what? $$$.. what? $$$..), the court system (best bet IMHO), or the next administration can right the ship.
- ucbrave92, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29wow, so the government can basically committ any crime they want and then prevent it from getting investigated by claiming national security. what countries could I move to?
- DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -9/+36"source or it didn't happen."
Where have you been for five years? - aplusplus, on 10/12/2007, -8/+34You mean... he's not?
- ddales, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26I moved to Hamburg Germany a year and a half ago for work reasons. Very Very happy that I decided to make the jump. My wife of 16 years is German and I lived here pre-open-borders in the 80's for a couple of years. I always considered the German Gov to be very controlling and strict. Even though they still are, the Gov here is not even close to what the US Gov has become.
Suggestions:
1 - Term limits for all elected officials (2 and see ya later thanks for your service)
2 - Lobby reform (Congress should not be for sale)
3 - Recind the Patriot Act in it's entirety
4 - Eliminate/Strictly limit campaign contribs
5 - Eliminate addons to Bills
6 - Recind the DMCA
none of this will EVER happen of course but can't a guy dream? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28I joke about stuff like this, but in reality, somewhere in the back of my head... it does scare me a bit.
- iTorrey, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31And the next dictator takes over.
Bush isn't running the show any more than Clinton was.
Go read about the CFR and these other globalist think tanks. Every year they meet. Every year they set agenda, and every year their agenda goes forward.
Heck go look at how Murdoch is buddy buddy with Hillary now. This is nothing new! Murdoch has always been in with the Clintons. Now go google about Clinton and Bush 41. Barbra calls Bill 'their son'. This whole 'democrat vs. republican' thing was a great diversion to sell us into slavery... and it's worked perfectly for them.
http://www.infowars.com
before it's too late.
(Funny, a year ago when talking about this I was a tin foil hat wearing nut. Now it's right in our faces) - omnithought, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face -- forever." - George Orwell
- brufleth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23The current administration (not that other administrations haven't) has made the decision that simply denying that something happened is sufficient when they do not like what happened. A simple example from a recent press conference, Rumsfeld was questioned on WMDs in Iraq and the inquisitor pointed out that he had stated they knew where the weapons were. He simply said "No I didn't say that." In this case the person putting him on the spot actually had his exact quote ready. So many documentaries have been made based on this administration because it is easy to find cases of people telling bold face lies or unapologetically denying facts. In the end people in the US do not need the extravagant censoring administrations of 1984 because we have a 2 minute memory and the "truth" can be shaped by tonight's special-news-alert-warning-report.
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21boredzo, where we miss on the details, we catch on alot of the spirit. think about how many people changed their opinion of saddam when we invaded. a little while into the war, the popular opinion was that he directly influenced 9/11. the media (which historically acts as the revealing light against the government's abuse) doesn't need to rewrite the details, merely spin them into something that sounds close enough to plausable that people don't snap out of it enough to try and figure it out. i site fox news as example.
- FlyboyP, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22The EFF case will also be disappearing shortly, due to the Bush administrations invoking State Secrets Privilege.
- MaxTheSheep, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Yeah, I currently live in Germany. Right about now I think it's better then living in America.
- opnotic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19This is the *exact* case that was mentioned when Feingold went against this whole thing and say... "hey... impeach* .. people said there was a body inquiring against this... but it was never true.
Seriouly.... how many people on the *right* even need to understand that this is the worst president ever? *Every* single government entity has balooned during this admin. Except of course those that would be for the people or for the environment. We are all Drunk people with our Grandkids creditcards to borrow from a recent convert.
This CONGRESS doess NOTHING.... there is NO check and balance anymore. The very simple short of that is that WE THE PEOPLE have lost Congress does not work for us.... We can't even elect change if we tried (that is what congress being not our own means.).
Talk about this in 50 years to see how much it is true.
It's only a matter of here and then. - hammerikaner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Damn straight the Constitution doesn't grant us any rights. It *guarantees* us the rights that we enjoy as free autonomous individuals.
In other words, if the NSA is violating these constitutional protections our natural rights as human beings are being trampled on. - hammerikaner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21The Bush admin has been reclassifying previously declassified documents. I'd call that pretty Orwellian. And that's just scratching the surface.
- arrrrrg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Submitter, RTFA before you post. The EFF's case has NOT been dropped yet, although the government is trying. This article is about a seperate but related investigation.
- MonkeyFit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18"But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security."
--United States Declaration of Independence
According to our own documents, it seems like it's time to throw off our government and install a fresh new one that works *for* us. - 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18It's called foresight, Instead of waiting until we actually do have a dictatorship, some of us prefer to notice our freedoms collapsing around us now.
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16but you know what? if you dont like it on Digg, then read something else. Unless you're clueless about how this site works, you must realize that a lot of us are interested in this.
You complain about people having opinions, but you feed the whole left/right thing at the same time. People who dislike Dubya are ***** ANGRY about this chump. He's ***** up this country BADLY, along with Congress.
Also many of us believe he stole the election in 2000.
'cause he did. - omnithought, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19...being vewwy, vewwy qwiet!
- karamba_kid, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25Bush trained the terrorists.
- pinsomniac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17boredzo: "Already-published documents, however, are not silently changed, nor are prior editions outside government storage sought out and destroyed. There is too much oversight and dissent within the government itself for such revision to happen."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/21/news/history.php
Come again? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Makes me wonder what the Michigan Militia and similar organizations are up to these days.
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15don't, it needs to have some serious ***** stomped out of it, corprorations need to have their rights revoked, sinc they are a business and not a person, they shouldn't be allowed to lobby so much heavier than actual people can, and the media shouldn't serve to tow the party line, but the system can work. you just have to drop the "I'm so jaded, the system doesn't work" line and smack it into working. that's what your rights are for, the second amendment is there not to fight foreign invaders, but an overpowered government.
grow a backbone and at least make some noise. - Computer_Kid, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20Ever read the book, Fahrenheit 451, is all coming true!
- aplusplus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Wow, talk about good timing with the post below this (on the front page). I lose more faith in our system, every day.
- boredzo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Yup, I forgot about that reclassification program. Good catch.
- wurlox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
United States Constitutuion
Amendment IV - FlyboyP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+121984 was a cautionary tale, but the prophetic truths it held about the propensity of power to silence dissent and rule through fear still apply. This is exactly what is happening today.
Yes we have a form of democracy but it is eroded on every front: voter apathy, media spin, corrupt lobbyists, black box voting...and on and on. Insightful people in this country need to open their eyes and engage politically, for the sake of your future.
Thank God for the social Internet. - gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14From what I understood, this isnt the same as the EFF v. ATT case. That could still go through, so let's all hope for the best!
- PAStheLoD, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20Bush is (very-)dumb or (very-)evil .. you choose which one, but one (or both) is a fact..
- grendelwraith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Thanks I was waiting for the first "but Clinton" and you were able to do it in the first thread.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@SyDIGG
Bush has no regard for any provisions of the constitution that don't benefit his agenda at any given moment. If we (congress, the american public, etc...) let him get away with disregarding such basic tenets of the constitution as free speech and illegal search and seizure, who is to say that he won't get away with disregarding constitutional term limits?
Even Hitler did not begin the Holocaust by systematically murdering Jews... he began by slowly taking away their rights. Each time a new right was taken away from the Jews, they decided that it would be best just to deal with the minor inconveniences of losing it rather than resist. By the time most of them realized where Hitler was heading with his plans for the Jews, they were powerless to offer any significant resistance because of the rights, privileges and people they had submitted to giving up. - PAStheLoD, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I'd suggest moving to a Sweden or some other Scandinavian country.. or even anywhere in EU .. or worst case scenario is moving to Moscow , even that is going to be better than , let's say.., Washington DC.
sad world :C - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12yes, the problem is much more systemic than just "IMPEACH BUSH" when his replacement will be his cousin, close friend, or someone else of equal grooming for the job. same with many representatives, you get a choice between smiling white man #1 and smiling white man #2, either of which is not going to have your best intrest in mind when your local large corporation has their home office in your state and their money in his pockets
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11thanks for being part of the problem.
- diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@SyDIGG
you understand the rulings and laws that have been put in place will be there far after he has gone. do you think he chose the head of the supreme court for a reason, or the head of the cia and nsa, or the head of every damn thing you can possibly think of. he personally put them there, do you understand what this means? there is a song out there that explains it pretty easily, it's called "I'm Your Puppet". - hammerikaner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Yes, but the point is to make sure our system of government is secure against any kind of dictator being in charge.
That's what the founders intended, but they never imagined a president who would come to power who would have no sense of public shame for his wantonly illegal acts.
For any Republicans or conservatives who are all for the "unitary executive" theory and giving godly powers to the president--Would you sing the same tune if it were President Rodham-Clinton running the show? - CandySnatch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11The founding fathers must be spinning in their graves....
- boredzo, on 10/12/2007, -11/+21drvelocity: I've been reading 1984 over the past few days (I don't get much time for reading). So far, the US does not seem very similar to Oceania.
In 1984, The Party has complete power of historical revision. They can change anything at any time, and they do change everything all the time, to make the past fit Big Brother's edicts. The citizens - both of the Outer Party and the proletariat - either take no notice or happily accept the change, depending on the size of the difference.
The United States exerts no such power of revision. If a government document is really, *really* undesirable, it is classified secret, and sometimes the authors are put under pressure by their superiors to make the information sound better. Already-published documents, however, are not silently changed, nor are prior editions outside government storage sought out and destroyed. There is too much oversight and dissent within the government itself for such revision to happen.
As for the proletariat (that's us), we do take an active interest in our government, some more than others. We change the leadership every two to eight years, and many private citizens actively observe the actions of the government and the military. In 1984, the "proles" take no interest in the government.
As for the Thought Police... that's steadily building. It's the closest thing we have to an Orwellian society. If you check out certain books or movies, or certain websites, you may be flagged and then monitored. If you frequent such books or movies or websites, you may then be detained on suspicion of being an enemy combatant. Not nearly as severe as the torture that occurs beneath Minipax, I'll admit, but still an intrusion into the ability of a citizen to peaceably consume whatever fiction or nonfiction works he wants.
Finally, remember that Ingsoc is based (at least in name) on English Socialism. I'm no scholar of political doctrines, but what is clear from 1984 is that it is an enemy of capitalism. The United States' Federal government is very much a capitalist government. So this last element is completely opposite from the book. - goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Joe091, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13So, basically they can do whatever they want, and then classify it so we can't do anything about it. You do realize they work FOR us, right? They are supposed to be public servants... that is not how they are currently behaving. Whether or not you like Democrats, you should ALL vote for them during congressional elections later this year. If they get a majority, you can bet your ass they will investigate the hell out of the Republicans and possibly take care of Bush. ANYTHING is better than what we have right now.
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