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- XAsmodeaNX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+121I guess the people that do really horrible things to windows like viruses and malignant spyware just aren't as high up on the priority list as someone who
BREAKS DRM OMGWTF - stoops, on 10/12/2007, -7/+65Great so Microsoft decides to sue the DRM hacker in a heart beat (oh yea because it costs them money and business relations) but they wont go after the people who constantly create these zero day exploits or mass spreading worms (oh yea because only the users are affected on this one and no money is lost). All I have to say is ***** Microsoft!
- borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40how are they supposed to prove he used the source code?
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -6/+37Why is there an "Apple" section, but no "Microsoft" section?
- paintballpc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29I guess Microsoft is scared of the RIAA too
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24They don't really have to. Taking him to court alone will cost him thousands of dollars in legal fees.
If he tries to fight it, microsoft can drag this ***** on for years. - invader, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25do a fanboy headcount
interestingly, there are probably more anti-M$ than there are pro-Apple... i guess digg categories are meant to be more positive? - ElectricGrandpa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17...yeah, because Apple never sues anyone, right?
- iFrank, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20There is a Microsoft section. It's called "Security."
I think it should be called "Bill's Antics," but despite my best efforts, the Digg team hasn't budged. - glock22ownr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16It's because DRM is a huge money maker for Microsoft, thats why they care. Movie studios, the RIAA and whatever other douchebags are out there may cancel some rather large contracts. If Windows users all quit using windows because of a virus and they lost a few billion... they may start to care, until then Windows users are screwed. DRM sucks anyway, they will never lock that down since no one can create perfect security. They cannot restrict file sharing or do anything about new networks poping up...
@stoops:
With you all the way man ! They can take their ***** software and shove straight up their candy ass! - therernospoons, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13I wonder, how would this case be any different from Dmitry Sklyarov's battle with breaking Adobe PDF's DRM, in terms of precedence?
- HonoredMule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12They'd lose as much money as Microsoft in court...but Microsoft would shug it off.
- lcohiomatty86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12what would happen if someone tried defending themselves in a court case like this?
- ramsinks.com, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Just release the the source code!
- tmiller51, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I see your point; so the only real solution is to invade Liechtenstein.
- billyvnilly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11perhaps all the OSS guys and the apple fanboys in the house should donate to this guy's legal fees.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10the point of suing him isn't because they actually think he stole source code, the point is to found out how he circumvented it. It's an RIAA tactic and it works very well.
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Ah, so they've added a font category on Digg. Quite interesting. I've been looking for it, but no luck yet.
- oxide7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Its funny they dont even know who the guy is. They just sued some mystery alias who disses them openly on the internet. even if this guy does have source code, which i doubt, how will he be found? I would make a new version and goto the public library and upload it; librarian would be on front page of crime-times
- borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9after that, can't u sue microsoft for legal fees?
- Indecision, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You think that's really their intent?
One, they want to scare off other people from doing the same. Even if MS loses the court case, they have enough lawyers to stretch it out for so long that your life will be ruined from the costs to defend yourself.
Two, if they actually get this guy in court, they'll doubtless find a way to force him to hand over the source code for his exploit. And if they can see exactly how it works, they'll have a much better idea of how to patch the "flaw". - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10microsoft couldn't beat the hacker with his "speedy" releases so they got scared and called their lawyers
- Terc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8sure, AFTER you've been through the procedings... good luck with that
- headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9This is just like the U.S. killing/capturing al-Qaeda leaders: It's pointless because there are hundreds more to take their place.
MS can try and sue this guy, but why? Knock him down and someone else will come along to take his place. It's a never ending battle. Might as well just give up on this silly DRM nonsense. No matter how much they want to, they'll *never* be able to lock down a digital format. - airniqueel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8It appears to me that software companies have much more to lose by not taking swift action against anti-DRM resources. In addition, its not always easy to target the original virus writer. In some cases, companies such as Microsoft have pursued legal action against virus writers.
- IsraelTorres, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7FYI ;) http://www.digg.com/security/viodentia_is_an_anagram_for_deviation
- anonydigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7
- jerrygofixit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"cost them a lot of $ they don't have"
Ummm.. Microsoft... Heard of em lately? - goatrandy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6 They can, but it has to be done in real time which is a pain in the ass when converting a ten thousand song napster library. ;)
FairUse4WM can do it in just a little while, but the Audacity trick takes ages because each track must be labellled and ID3'd by hand. :( - Zero2aHero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Is it me or is this huge irony in this? Microsoft suing someone for exploiting the DRM that they didn't even incorporate into their own portable media device? I'm so puzzled as to what Microsoft thinks about Windows DRM.
- PopcornDave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The one thing I have never understood is why someone can't just play a DRM'ed tune, and use Audacity to make a copy of it? Most people can't hear the difference anyway.
- lowerlogic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5We need to find a way to make M$ and the RIAA attack each other. Now that would be an interesting fight.
- oepapel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"Virus writers do not directly affect sales of Microsoft products.
People will continuously buy the products, no matter what.
Where is the case for suing them? Where can they show money loss?"
Are you kidding me? their stock drops (there's a few billion $ gone), they get about a zillion support calls (each one costs them plenty as well as a possible convert), they have to engineer a fix and push it out to the world (how much do you pay for bandwidth?), they have to spend a fortune convincing their customers again not to bail by offering incentives and promising even more work for free.
A Virus costs Microsoft plenty! - glock22ownr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Man ... they're even dumber than I thought! They dont even know who they're suing...Thats like Scrooge suing the Ghost of Christmas Past! What are they hoping he's just gonna fess up? And now... they're wasting more money on filing cases... great job! MS can be such assbags... Anyway, more power to the guy for boning them like this...
- AdrenalineJunky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4My guess is Microsoft just wants to get a copy of his program's source code in discovery so they can try to find a better way to defeat it. Hopefully he will realize this and thwart the effort with the appropriate legal maneuvers (ie, making sure that it is stipulated that only non-microsoft people see the source code).
- geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4will stick? That is assuming he stole the source as they claim, if he did as he said he did - reverse engineered MSes code and defeated the DRM, then well, I'm sure a few lawyers can help defend the guy pro bono. MS isn't very well liked and the case is pretty easy.
And when MS loses this case, they can't go after him again(double jeopardy) for DMCA. This is but a reactionary tactic to get media companies in line and assuring them they've locked down the DRM. But they're not stupid. MS is on a slow downward spiral, from vista to this, to playing catch up with google, nothing is going right. - Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@XAsmodeaNX
That's because Microsoft make money from Viruses and spyware in a round-about kind of way. - TheG2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5In the end, this is probably more of a tactic to get a C&D order on the people releasing FairUse4WM than an actual lawsuit.
- stretch611, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It is impossible to mask my cynicism in this statement, but Microsoft has how many billions of dollars in cash? What individual is able to put up the resources to defend himself in court against that vast amount of resources?
Even if Microsoft doesn't get the best lawyer money can buy, and the hacker has a strong defensive argument, Microsoft will draw out the trial to the point that the defendant will go bankrupt and make it impossible for the case to proceed. - goatrandy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4 That is exactly the point. They DON"T know who they're suing, but by the time discovery is finished they will.
Once the court orders his identity revealed they can go after him with charges that WILL stick. :(
I hate it when smart people turn evil... - ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If I cannot repair legally bought music and make it as it should be, I'll just download it from p2p networks without DRM.
Are you happy with the outcome RIAA, Microsoft ..? - goatrandy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3 Copyright infringement charges are not the same as DMCA charges. They can, and if he's American WILL go after him on DMCA charges once they've used this copyright BS to smoke him out.
- pevensen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hmmm... "Our software is easily cracked, he must have access to our source code!" Could it be that Microsofts DRM just isn't that good?
- DoubtfulSalmon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Nobody leaked code to him. A post shortly after his original announcement (five seconds on giggle to find that) says words to the effect of "If you want to help, and you understand this, contact me".
"This" is a URL to a PDF of this paper (also available via giggle scholar):
Linn, C. & Debray, S. (2003). Obfuscation of Executable Code to Improve Resistance to Static Disassembly. Proceedings of the 10th ACM conference on Computer and communication security, pp. 290-299.
You don't need to be a brain surgeon to put two and two together and figure out how he got the 'source' code... - abstraxion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Personally, my take on the matter is this:
Download it. Sign up for Napster's free trial. Download a crapload of music.
Profit! - wallclimber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2 @pagefault: "Make a ***** DRM solution, you recall it until it's fixed."
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Just curious, but why would you want that? I would think, until DRM goes away for good, it would be better if it doesn't work, at least it can be broken more easily that way.
On the other hand, since the only way to properly "fix" DRM would be to dump it forever, maybe it really would be good if they keep it to themselves until it's "fixed" (as in: RIP).
Just thinking out loud here...
- loneBoat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Dugg because of dupe complaint.
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Hackers and crackers are better than the employees these companies hire."
So you saying white people are better than MS employees?
sry, couldnt resist - anonydigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2nice comment! Digg up wasn't enough.
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