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- trogdoor, on 10/11/2007, -3/+80I don't think the author of the article understands how a buffer overflow attack works.
- oepapel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+66Yeah, this is closer to a human DDoS attack.
- .Steven, on 10/11/2007, -4/+52Wouldn't this be a human DDoS not a Buffer Overflow?
Where is the stack? How am I going to write executable code to it? - Ydnar24, on 10/11/2007, -0/+37Here is a direct link to affected printers:
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/list.php - EmileVictor, on 10/11/2007, -4/+39Note to self: when printing ransom notes, always print in black & white.
- jennamalia, on 10/11/2007, -1/+34FTA, only color laser printers. Not B/W lasers, not inkjets, not dot-matrix, not thermal, not plotters, not daisy-wheel or selectric, not phase-change, not sublimation, ONLY color laser printers (and, even then, not *all* color lasers). I'm sure I missed a few types of printers, but this doesn't apply to them, either...
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+29FTA: So far, according to the site, 434 people have called.
Translation: So far, according to the site, 434 people will be getting visits from the SS. - ppincher, on 10/11/2007, -2/+28So the printer company called the SS on the guy for complaining? I knew there was a reason I didn't like to call customer service.
- cr1t, on 10/11/2007, -1/+25I prefer yellow speckeld paper for all my ransom notes
- rhabd0mancer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23Buy your next color laser printer with cash.
Also, wear sunglasses and a wig when you make said purchase. - neko, on 10/11/2007, -4/+23Pity... from the title, I was expecting some Secret-Service funded project to hack people's brains via the equivalent of a buffer overflow attack.
They'd probably get people to read a really long word that Supercalifragilisticexpialidociousasdfasdfasdf^@^@^@^@^@^@^@#!/bin/bash... - Starskey, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21The Germans are coming?!
- Chandon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20No. It absolutely is not worth losing the ability to *print leaflets anonymously* simply to make it easier for the US mint to make paper bills that are hard to counterfeit. Free speech, including anonymous printed speech, is one of the core rights that allows a democratic system to work at all. If, in the worst case, the mint can't produce paper bills without significant counterfeiting then they can produce plastic bills or metal coins instead.
- netdroid9, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14Unless they want to distract everyone with a huge flurry of calls, then sneak someone in as an intern...
- DiggDuggDone, on 10/11/2007, -6/+17Anyone know if this also applies to Ink Jets?
- knomevol, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10it is human nature to be inquisitive, cptGiglges. why assume sin instead of inquisitiveness? why assume anything? you have tainted the response by doing so.
- asaturn, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12when I worked at one of those "big box" stores, this actually happened. sketchy guy wearing a wig, sunglasses, fake spray-on tan, fake mustache, and a baggy running outfit (jacket, pants, shoes) and a big gold chain necklace, bought a $1600 computer, printer, etc, using CASH from a big white envelope.
when I tried to sell him the extended service plan (as we were required to try to do) he flipped out when I got to the "name and address" part and canceled the entire sale. - spudnic, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Or you know, just a bog-standard complain-a-thon.
- trogdoor, on 10/11/2007, -5/+12I'd like to see you try to pass off bills printed on your home inkjet as real legal tender.
( hint: this isn't to stop counterfeiting ) - LordFate, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8"Man, these phones are ringing off the hooks! Thank goodness we have this new intern... uh, What's your name again?"
- asaturn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7but bigtime counterfeiters use printers made for printing money, not inkjet or color laser printers.
this does nothing but catch 14 year olds trying to print a fake $20 - makosharkattack, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Someone launchd a bit of their own DOS at our counter. I adjusted it back to where it should be. :)
- slapshotdg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I think it would be much more useful to have a background application that prints superfluous yellows dots everywhere.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9Thanks for bringing this breach of privacy to our attention.
I have contacted my preferred printer supplier "HP", will seriously think of recommending "OKI" in the future, cheers. - jdong, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6WTF with the digg-downs? makosharkattack (aka Benjamin Mako Hill) is the one who wrote the site. I am also working with him...
Some idiot hit the counter 400 times, so we filtered those hits out. - iWasHere, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Did you read the article? Or are you just real slow with picking up where he is trying to go with that?
Can you still see the yellow dots if I print a solid yellow page? Do the dots change to some other color? I don't know, anyone else have any ideas. - 2oonhed, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6that will teach you to overpush on the upsell!
- nodonoug, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6The intent is not to catch kidnappers (that would be the FBI). They're after counterfeiters, who, by necessity, must use color.
- freddo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Anybody knows what happens when you print a yellow page, not on yellow paper, but just a yellow background color all over the page? Does the watermarking change?
- freddo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Just because the watermark is said to be yellow, hence the project's name...
I was wondering if the watermark would be rendered useless by printing yellow dots at the positions the watermark dot *could* be. Or even, under certain circumstances, change the date or the serial information that are printed in it. See http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/docucolor/ - KungFuJesus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4those who give up liberty for security deserve neither
- 2oonhed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4the idea here is : one guy complained about obscure unique markings that his printer was putting on his print jobs, thereby leading to potential invasion of his privacy. He was then visited by the Secret Service. The following concept being : if everybody complains to printer manufacturers about the "secret" markings to the printer manufacturers, then the SS will have to give up their intimidation policy, or at least suspend it temporarily because they can't visit everybody.
Keep in mind though. The Federal Government will spend $20,000 investigating a $20 crime. imagine what they spend investigating no crime at all. - Error601, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6So, how exactly do you think they can match a serial number to you? It's so they can correlate bad bank notes as coming from the same source. Bunch of stuff about it when color lasers were coming onto the market but I guess the average digg age would have missed that.
- ricperry1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3If you read the "about" section of the MIT website (linked from the original article), then you will see that it is not only about stopping counterfeiting. It is also about tracking identity of people who may have printed records unrelated to counterfeiting. The MIT website specifically mentions terrorists, but if we allow the terrorists to influence our liberty, then they have won anyway.
- ricperry1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4And that is precisely the concern. Why should we sacrifice our privacy in order to satisfy the government? The only printers which should be traceable are printers owned and operated by the U.S. Government. That is because the Govt. is responsible to the populace, not the other way around.
- OsiVert, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I remember awhile ago they broke the Xerox code. Here is another article about that, and it also states it is used for counterfit money purposes.:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/18/AR2005101801663.html - Chernevog, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4On calling Konica Minolta about this, they steadfastly stood by the it is to track counter fitters reasoning, and that it is mandated by the Dept. of Treasury. Does anyone know where (if) this was written into law? Were the costs of implementing this paid for by the treasury or passed on to the consumer? Can the department of treasury regulate industry this way by themselves or do they need to go through another Agency. All of the above questions apply to the SS as well.
- epgyd, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I see what you did there. Both times.
- ruley, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3if you feel that privacy isn't important, then git the hell outta ouurr couuunnnttttrrryy. dam, now i know why people like to say that.
- ricperry1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Does anyone know of a Photoshop Plugin which will generate a random yellow-dot overlay layer? Then we could all frustrate anyone prying into our privacy.
- pak314, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Their concern is primarly that people will print fake money. Thus I don't think they will care too much if you print a whole page of yellow or use yellow paper because it no longer looks like money atleast in the US.
- climbjm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3That's why I buy the $15 hp ink jet printer's at Wal*Mart.
They usually come with free ink, so when they run out, it's cheaper to just buy a new printer. - margolik, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3are you daft? of course they would inform them... the SS had the printer manufacturers add the dot patterns in the first place. they outsource most of their on-site tech support, call a manufacturer for warranty support, 9/10 you're getting the actual manufacturer.
- Herostratus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Riiiiiight....
I hope you washed that off right after you pulled it out of your ass nad stuck it on here Mockylock. Do you know how often people are kidnapped and held for ransom... no really do you? Less often then it happens in fantasy media, thats how often.
Moron - Mockylock, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yellow spots on your paper is invading your privacy? If I'm correct, they're the ***** that are printing the money you're working for, and trying to keep it from losing it's value. It's not like they're going to pull up a naked picture of your mom and find out where you printed it from, or even have a camera in your bedroom.
There's a fine line between good and evil when it comes to security measures and people that whine about every tiny thing that they government tries to do.
It honestly gets old. Nobody cares about reason or what's right and wrong. They care about politics and government, so they think they're a better person because they found a flaw. Nobody gives a ***** that it's a yellow dot for tracking... even though they send mail every day that's tracked back to whatever post office that it comes from. They care that they can't print something without being caught.
FIGHT THE MAN!. Asses. - 2oonhed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1exactly....the work around here is to simply remove the color cartridge when printing your anti government leaflets, if you have separate ones for black & color.
- joelodom, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5Something's up with the count on the Seeing Yellow page. Earlier this morning it said that over 1,000 people had contacted their manufacturer. Now it says that the number is fewer than 700.
I think that I'm going to check my color laser for this. If it's true, then I'll blog it and will raise cane about it with Cannon and with the government. - InternetCeleb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2If you paid by a credit card, it's fairly trivial.
- Oniony, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2According to the /., after several hundred calls, several Secret Service employees were seen behaving strangely after they ran off page 3,248 of their operations manuals and started to follow malicious process steps inserted by a hacker that had changed his personal details to "Mr Fred Blogs 14.4.8. Walk like a chicken. 14.4.9 Lick behind your own ears. 14.5.0 Recite the alphabet backwards"
- yingjai, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4My thoughts exactly.
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