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- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+44I realize this is a dupe from 5 days ago, but some stories deserve a reposting (for the Dupe Nazis out there).
Direct link to the famous image: http://www.hongkongbrother.com/news/2004_06-07-June-July/tiananmen_tank_man.jpg - abbott75, on 10/12/2007, -8/+40Americans and Geography? Have a look at this.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vatr8AmM2nA&search=usa%20invade - zackz, on 10/12/2007, -13/+42Finally a decent story on Digg. Tired of the apple crap. Full digg. China should be ashamed!
- bharder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29I chat with a few people from China on skype.
They believe Tibet and Taiwan have always been a part of China.
China never invaded Tibet.
Their prespective on Taiwan is that the US has military bases all around China and if Taiwan were independent we would put a base there, completely surrounding them.
They can get almost any DVD for $1. (Unless the movie is banned in China.- Seven Years in Tibet is banned, but they can get the sound track.)
Culturally they are very conservative: no sex ed classes, no sex before marriage, homosexuality is wrong, it's wrong for women to drink or smoke, etc.
They don't know anything about Tiananmen Square or the Cultural Revolution. - buss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25In America, we're not kept from knowing (but lots of people don't because they don't really care). In China, the government actively suppress knowledge of this event. Its amazing to see the reactions from people who have come to the US from China to documentaries on Tiananmen square . Its a moment where the wool is pulled from over their eyes.
- vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Its not just that they have never seen that particular photo before, and couldn't connect it to the Tianamen Square protests. Its the fact that they had no idea that this event even took place. I think you are misunderstanding what total control of the media means.
- Pyrolistical, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24Now you also have to wonder if they intentionally answered wrong, as to not get into any trouble with the government later.
- drizek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25no, smart people complain about how the system made everyone else so god damn stupid.
- pjsk8, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Sure, it's a dupe, but I missed it when it came out 5 days ago, so I'd like to thank you for resubmitting the article. I would have missed a very interesting read otherwise.
- DNABeast, on 10/12/2007, -10/+29American schooling tends to be pretty good on internal geography. It just tends to skip past the rest of the world. This doesn't mean that they're dumb. They just haven't had the opportunity to learn certain things.
Why don't you show me where Chad is on a world map. What country claims 'Ulaanbaatar' as it's capital? What country has the least amount of citizens? You sit in your happy little wired world pointing the finger and then you go on and accuse others of being sheltered? - buss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18YES. This is a huge event that everyone should know about.
- zackz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Every country shields its citizen from information that it thinks is harmful/shameful. Yeah and that includes the US. How many know who was the first man on space, which in my opinion is more important that the first man on the moon.
Did you know Russians sent a probe to Venus at 450' and streamed pictures back to earth? And here we take great pride on our Mars mission! - Anoobis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20"We regret that we are unable to stream this video for visitors from the U.K. and Ireland due to a contractual rights agreement with Channel 4."
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18If you are on windows and use this link make sure you have Real Alternative for playback.
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm - Misos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Hast thou not heard of Real Alternative?
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm
Enjoy. - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Wow, i love bittorrent.
Its the only thing that gets faster the more it gets dugg. - ShadySpace, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I'm 15 and I've known about this for years. It's basic history, extremely relevant history at that. And who isn't aware of this image? It's arguably one of the most iconic pictures of the 20th century.
- Blizzardman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17If you go to the greatest school in your country, where one of the most famous events in your country took place, you are telling me that you wouldn't know about it? Arn't these people supposed to be the smartest in China? I don't mean to say they have been tought it, but I mean someone should know about it
- mtrip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Their ability to erase history reminds me of 1984. Whoever controls the past controls the present. Whoever controls the present controls the future.
- Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Y'know, just when you think the Chinese government might be reforming, and you think it's not so bad--
something like this comes along again, and you realize just how badly they are brainwashing their citizens and censoring anything and everything they don't like.
The Chinese government still doesn't deserve to exist. I say 20 years at the least before it becomes even a little reasonable. ...Too bad that the Chinese ex-citizens I've known are some of the hardest workers I've ever met. The government is not worthy of them. - vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I was a 12 year old american kid going to public school in 1989, and I could identify that picture.
I think you are vastly underestimating the scope of censorship in china. - buss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14you could always grab the torrent http://www.mininova.org/tor/279270
- bharder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ
"A Chinese man stands alone to block a line of tanks heading east on Beijing's Cangan Blvd. in Tiananmen Square on June 5, 1989." - HackWithRamzi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Watch the Frontline on it (in the link). Educate yourself, please, our country is losing it's edge.
- bitt3n, on 10/12/2007, -14/+25dupe commies you mean
- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Direct link to video: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/view/
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15That's true, American schools aren't super great on teaching geography. I just learned to teach myself--so quit relying on your teachers to hold your hand through school. Dumb people complain about why the system made them so dumb.
- buss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Next they'll be telling us that they invented the Helicopter 10 years ago...
(that's another 1984 reference, not an off-topic comment) - altjason, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Regardless, Tianamen is much more important for the West than it is for China. We generally need an example of tyranny, but the Chinese need something other than protests. Besides, the protests accomplished little in the scheme of things. China has been turned upside down several times in the last century and, not surprisingly, it hasn't brought liberal democracy.
What is necessary is new intellectual developments that reinterpret Western ideas. Democracy, liberalism, etc. need to do a bit of traveling. The military, the economy, and diplomacy are not the way. People *thinking*, not protesting, is the way.
Censorship is the best way to prevent democracy in China. - noghead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11My teacher (who is head of the department) told me that the tanks ran over the guy. She said she saw it happen on video. Oh, and guess what; I live in Canada. So its not only the United States, Canada is kinda dumb also.
- Tux42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Actually, I believe that people do care. Many companies in the US do business with companies in China. For example look at the back of an iPod and you might see "Designed by Apple in California. Assembled in China." Alternatively, the bottom of the Microsoft Wireless Notebook Optical Mouse you will see "Made in China (N)". In other words, a lot of the technology we use is made in China so US companies cannot afford to anger the Chinese government. It is unfortunate that the Chinese government censors things, but companies need to make money to stay in business.
Even the company I work for does business with companies in China. No, I will not tell you where I work and no, I'm not a "whiney Democrat".
Have a nice day :) - kindrobot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Nah, dupe commies digg you no matter what. Everyone gets the same number of diggs.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9this is incredible. fantastic digg. i am also very proud of PBS for supplying this for download on the web.
- HackWithRamzi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9urbn: These are the top 4 students at the most prestigious university in China.
- Rhymonde, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I am in China right now and just a second after I finished watching this online and started looking for related sections,what appeared was "The server was reset while the page was loading",and the entire PBS website is not accessible any more.
- Izzie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@koshak
I'm an average educated non american, and I know Chad is in africa next to libya, sudan and niger. Ulanbaatar is the capital of mongolia, I believe the least amount of people title would go to vatican but I'm not sure for this one.
I don't know of a school that teaches all that should be teached, but US schools are way below average, A friend of mine went to Texas to graduate there, and he was flabbergasted. what was teached was stuff he learned in school about 4 or 5 years ago. And our school are far from being state of the art, maybe average or a little below average.
Wherever you live, If you wan't to be educated you'll have to educate yourself and learn how to unlearn what you were taught in school then re-learn how to learn.
China government don't wan't its people to be aware of its wrongdoing, oppression, censorship, but the same goes in US where the government don't wan't american people to be smart and able to think by themselves, and the main tool is mass medias and especially TV. Population control has been around for centuries, but USA as well as China or some middle east countries is a state of the art population control system.
The point here is whatever country you are from, whatever school you attended, think by yourselves and don't take what you're being told for granted. - vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8This is one of the most significant events in the 20th century (in my opinion), please, please open your eyes, and take a look at the world around you.
- amigiac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8These links work in the UK
http://rm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/quicktime_real/wgbh/pages/frontline/2410/real/bch1_hi.rm
http://rm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/quicktime_real/wgbh/pages/frontline/2410/real/bch2_hi.rm
http://rm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/quicktime_real/wgbh/pages/frontline/2410/real/bch3_hi.rm
http://rm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/quicktime_real/wgbh/pages/frontline/2410/real/bch4_hi.rm
http://rm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/quicktime_real/wgbh/pages/frontline/2410/real/bch5_hi.rm
http://rm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/quicktime_real/wgbh/pages/frontline/2410/real/bch6_hi.rm
Direct WMV links:
http://media.pbs.org/asxgen/general/windows/media4/frontline/2410/windows/bch1_hi.wmv
http://media.pbs.org/asxgen/general/windows/media4/frontline/2410/windows/bch2_hi.wmv
http://media.pbs.org/asxgen/general/windows/media4/frontline/2410/windows/bch3_hi.wmv
http://media.pbs.org/asxgen/general/windows/media4/frontline/2410/windows/bch4_hi.wmv
http://media.pbs.org/asxgen/general/windows/media4/frontline/2410/windows/bch5_hi.wmv
http://media.pbs.org/asxgen/general/windows/media4/frontline/2410/windows/bch6_hi.wmv - directedition, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12crap, I'm an idiot, I shouldn't post when I haven't slept in two days.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8It should surprise you. It's one of the most memorable photos in the last 50 years.
- obeseotron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9China is not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. China's GDP is barely $1000/head, their total economy of 1.4 billion people is about the size of the UK at 60 million. There is an emerging middle class in the cities, but it is still small, and far poorer than what you probably think of when you hear "middle class." Per capita GDP was 5 times higher than it is in China today in South Korea or Taiwan when they ditched their authoritarian governments.
- MrShoop, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"Actor Charlie Sheen has joined a growing army of other highly credible public figures in questioning the official story of 9/11..."...
errr.. What's going on in our country today? We have fallen so low as to call actor charlie sheen a highly credible public figure? I agree it is embarassing... - fusenmuse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8There was a joke about it on family guy. I've known about tank man for as long as i can remember, and I was born in '91.
- RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"4 top students at one of China's most prestigious universities fail to identify where the famous Tianamen Square photo of the "Tank Man" is from"
Yes, China censors badly. This anecdote, however, isn't necessarily proof of that. In America, for instance, I bet you culd take 4 top students from Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT - show them a picture of the National Guard killings at Kent State and they probably couldn't identify where it was from.
Just because they are at a top university doesn't mean they know a lot about the world. There is generally an inverse relationship between "top student" and "functioning real-world brain"... (although this is not always the case...) - sinembarg0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7http://rm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/quicktime_real/wgbh/pages/frontline/2410/real/bch1_hi.rm
http://rm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/quicktime_real/wgbh/pages/frontline/2410/real/bch2_hi.rm
http://rm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/quicktime_real/wgbh/pages/frontline/2410/real/bch3_hi.rm
http://rm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/quicktime_real/wgbh/pages/frontline/2410/real/bch4_hi.rm
http://rm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/quicktime_real/wgbh/pages/frontline/2410/real/bch5_hi.rm
http://rm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/quicktime_real/wgbh/pages/frontline/2410/real/bch6_hi.rm - skytimelapse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8The special that aired not only had people that were AT the Square when it happened, but people who still live in China that attest to the firewall and everything else. Why they would all conspire to lie about the Chinese gov is beyond me. Not only that but Google has publicly admitted many times to censoring content in China. So yes someone is wrong here.
- digitaldater, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I saw this show the other night and found it interesting.
The show had an interesting statement "unless you were 20 years old in China and saw it when it happend you would probably have no idea what it was today"
I doubt many younger Americans would know what it was either.
You would be surprised how much ground breaking news doesn't get reported in America.
Obviously the media in either country is completely different, we think we know everything that is going on.
Think again.
--The point is that the students didn't know it was an important historical event in their own country. - Cam_86, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Very interesting....
On a side note, is anyone else BLOWN away by the quality of PBS's work? I allways see them ranked among the least biased, and most through articles and programs in america... There website is amazing as well. Kinda makes you wonder why there is so little support for them. In canada, australia and the UK our public broadcasters are supported by the govt, and provide equally as good service and content.
Guess its a moot point though, as now a days people are more interested in developing the internet then television. - sahaskatta, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10i dont think too many ppl will be able to watch it because it says i need real player and i doubt any one wants to install that.
- Blizzardman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8That is sad, really, it is.
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