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- DDRSkata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The problem, Bush supporters, is not what they claim to be the intent of the program (and history shows that with these people, intent changes with time). The problem is the room for abuse. Without any system of verifying the reasons for invading people's privacy, the Bush administration can (not necessarily will, but CAN) just pick out whoever they feel like to spy on and say that person is a terrorist. If they find no fault, they "were doing it in the name of national security."
If a liberal president was doing this, you'd all be crying bloody murder. - chrisc2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"I really wonder who the pro-Bush folks are here... are they older, conservative members of the Digg community who can't change their ways? Are they poorly informed 13 year old boys with too much testosterone? Windows users? Internet Explorer zealots? Let's get some self-supplied demographics."
That's the most ignorant thing I've read in a while. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm so tired of hearing people complain about Dubya trampling their privacy ... only to turn around and wonder why the entire strategy wasn't laid out on MSNBC for the american people to debate. I am also tired of people who get some kind of satisfaction from enforcing the letter of the law with no regard to the spirit of same or the context of the debate. We are not talking about random wiretaps.
Nobody cares what you are reading, who you have breakfast with or what you write on your blog UNLESS you associate with suspected terrorists. Got a goood friend who went to flight school on an expired student visa from Saudi Arabia? Then you might have someone listening in when they call. Tough cookies. It's in the same category as driving drunk. The government is trying to protect me from your stupidity, and for that I'm grateful. - aristotle1990, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Or England, or Austraillia, or Norway. All our friends in the war on terrorism."
Yes. Friends. Friends != Enemies. Understand? Good. - Smokezz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If this kind of ***** were to be on Digg daily, it would certainly be on less site to visit daily...
- rodball, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@xopl:
"I really wonder who the pro-Bush folks are here... are they older, conservative members of the Digg community who can't change their ways? Are they poorly informed 13 year old boys with too much testosterone?"
Gee, I assumed the that the "KING GEORGE IS 5PYINNG!!!" crowd were the 13 year olds... If you guys think that teenagers are little neo-cons with their ears glued to Limbaugh, you are existing in a different plane... - Nevarius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Under the FISA act the president is allowed to wiretap on the spot without court order for up to 75 hours, then in the meantime go to the judge (aka 'check and balance' its there for a reason) to see if its constitutional. The arguement over how the bad guys can get away or we could miss important intell, due to getting a judges permission is a moot point that was addressed by FISA. What bush's secret NSA spying project is doing is bypassing the 'check and balance' phase, which insures that one branch of government doesnt become too strong and also stops abuses of power from happening. Another question arises which what happens if such a power becomes legal and is abused??? There is no check nor balance to keep it from happening, and to boot...it could be very well legal (depending on the wording/fine print blah blah blah of the document/act legalizing it) Pissing away protections and freedoms under the guise of protecting everyones freedom seems pretty self defeating.
- 0Troy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@hyoleechee
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--------------------------------------------------------- - coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Good to know that the system is working. Giving total rule to the president is a foolish choice and frankly I'm ashamed about Americans complaining about this rule. Unconstitutionality is no way to go for the "safety of the people".
To those who think that unauthorized spying is worthwhile and acceptable, how far until it's not? Should we have random house searches to make sure no one is making bombs? Should anyone who might utter anything against a government fear being spied on without any authorization?
Just my thoughts, as disjointed as they may be. - kevindigg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4All they had to do was get warrants for this stuff. That would allow some oversight of the project. They neglected to do this. That is the only problem I have with this.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Bush: 'Uh we lost those documents, I just don't think too much about them.'
- ,,|,_, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@ diggnate
Great, so lets declare an unmeasurable, un-winable "war" (see also War on Drugs) on a state of mind (Terror), thereby throwing out all constitutional protections. Sounds like a Utopian society to me! - gmanhoobie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Hey Bush-haters, do you have the huevos to read this?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/specials/features/2315076.html?page=1&c=y - 0Troy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Diane Feinstein looked at the documents herself, and found "no evidence of abuse of power" and NOONE is a bigger Bush hater than her!
- claco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Diggs Law: No more posts Digg gets, the closer to Slashdots abusive fury it becomes.
- meclipsegt, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4This goes out to all of you Bush haters AND war haters. I was in the Navy first of all. I just returned back from a 6 month deployment when 911 happened. Guess what We left again for another 11 months. What nobody understands about this whole thing is that terrorists attacked American soil. Thousands of people died for no reason. USS Cole, people died because of a trerrorist attack. We go to do something about it and everyone cries about it. I absolutly hate it when everyone says "Oh its costing too much money" Oh my 18+ child (who, by the way, enlisted in the service on there own. NOT FORCED) died for no reason" and so on. Everyone sees how Bush does one thing, and gets a bunch of ***** for it. If he didnt do anything, then everyone would bitch about it. He is doing what he can with what WE THE PEOPLE WILL LET HIM DO. Whether you like it or not, WE elected him into office. I wouldnt have voted for him knowing he didnt know what the hell he was doing. He isnt doing this just for America, but also for the rest of the world. Since everyone just wants to turn there heads about it. Basically what I really wanted to say to everyone is thank you. Thank you for supporting our president to get the job done, but cant because of people like you. Thank you for exposing our efforts, our tactics to try and stop these people that want us dead. Im just glad that all the things that Bush has done to cause you to bitch and cry, has allowed you to get a good night sleep each and every night. I was already over there once. And if I was called back to go over there again, I would. How many of you would do the same?? Im just glad I could have died for all you, for nothin because you dont give a *****.
- 0Troy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@,,|,
This is also true (btw, thank you for having a civil discussion with me), but it is at this point that our opinions differ.
I happen to agree with our president that obtaining approval can take precious hours or days and when time is an important factor to save lives. As little time should be wasted as possible when lives are at stake.
But it isn't as though they're acting under a veil. They were and are briefing key party members in the house on specifics of what they're doing, and they hadn't reported any wrongdoing until this information was "leaked" and everyone started screaming for blood. - TrulyNameless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0video killed the radio stars :
anyway, not the first program on spying on americans and not the last
and bush is known for not caring about catching actual terrorists so i somehow have the feeling he won't use it to catch terrorists....call it a gut feeling, or a woman's intuition although i'm a male - 0Troy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2BTW, if we're going to talk about "lost" documents, remember those "lost" whitewater documents the Clintons couldn't find? Remeber how they somehow turned up in a room next to Hillary's room two days after the statute of limitations expired with her fingerprints on them? I didn't think you did.
- ,,|,_, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@ 0troy
Then there should be no problem releasing these documents, right? - Deuterium, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Dumb, who cares, let's stick to tech.
- ChewyBass, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0meclipsegt
I for one want to say Thank you. Thank you for the service you have given to this country, and thanks for leading us into the future. - ChewyBass, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Irregardless of what the judge wants, if it's top secret he can't touch it. The same politicians that say this is illegal will be the same ones who shout incompetence if we are attacked again. We, including myself, have become to comfortable in our lives to worry about a little war. If you want a real perspective, talk to someone over 70 and listen to what sacrifice was really like for them. If you could understand what they had to deal with, you wouldn't be concerned with the next gen game console, because it would never be make. The real issue here lies in the wording that has been used. The "Domestic spying" is such a misleading title. We are spying on terrorist that are calling individuals in the in US whose phone numbers were on a laptop of a high Al Qaeda leader. I don't think he had their numbers so he could check availability of the Xbox 360.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Takes no time to get a warrant with FISA, listne then you just have a week to report it, goracle you wrong.
Al Qaeda has actually been waiting for the US to 14 Ports to Dubai of the Arab Emirates.
Thanks George for opening up the borders more. I feel safer!!! - SniperGX1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0yeah, because those documents weren't "lost"
- offcamber, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Al-Qaeda has been waiting for this. Thanks Judge Dill Weed.
- ,,|,_, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2^^"kevindigg, do you even consider how long it takes to get a warrant to monitor a call? Around 72 hours. I highly doubt two terrorists will stay on the phone that long."
Please go re-read FISA before you spout crap like that. You can listen, record, and THEN you have 72 hours to get a court order to use what you previously heard and recorded, not the other way around. - meclipsegt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I like how you use the word "Censored". Since we should Censor what we let the terrorists know what we are doing to stop them. Or just tell them everything, since that is what we are doing anyway. They do have tv's.
- gamekid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"Justice Department spokeswoman Tasia Scolinos said the department has been "extremely forthcoming" with information and "will continue to meet its obligations under FOIA.""
I love unintentionally humorous lies. Dugg for hilarity, and because the DoJ will bog it with every appeal imaginable. - diggnate, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Normally, you guys would be right...the documents would need to be release to the public (ala Democracy...err...Power to the people), but in this particular instance, this is a military intelligence program because we are technically at war. The last thing we need right now is to set the president of releasing confidential documents on how we are conducting a military operation. This would completely negate the entire International Surveillance program (note how this is not a "domestic spying" program as your liberal, left wing, democrat loving, bush hating, media outlets call it). Do you people seriously hate bush so much that you would compromise the security of a covert military operation?
By the way, under a military operation, the president can almost act as a "king" and there are hardly any "checks" or "balances" when it comes to his orders. That has not changed just because Bush is in office. - 0Troy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@,,|,
Technically no, there shouldn't be. But it sets a bad president to release classified documents simply because of political pressure.
Oh yeah, Eschilon and Karnivore, warrentless spying, Clinton administration, etc., just continue ignoring the facts... - MisterSmith, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0If our government had the capability to know exactly what each and every human being in the U.S. was doing at any time we'd probably be completely protected from terrorists. Maybe some day the technology will exist to allow the government to do that and then we call sleep soundly.
- 0Troy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@guell23
That's the great thing about America. You can. There are plenty of other groups that feel the exact same way you do, so get off your ass and do something about it! - fredclown, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Never mind that Clinton did the same thing and no one raised a stink about it. In fact he was supported by his party, but when a Republican president does it ... Woah ... look out our freedoms are at stake. Go Bush!! Do what is needed.
- Xopl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0***** Sabo! He's my Congressman! Why the hell is he supporting repealing the 22nd?!
- ,,|,_, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Gonzalez's smarmy, non-testimony and refusal to answer any questions where he basically said FISA was too much trouble to be bothered with exemplifies all that is wrong with the Bush administration.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0It'd be cool if digg expanded it's boundaries. I'm really interested in anything like this and although they make it to the front page, people get all pissy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Yeah, cause spying on phone conversations was unknown till about 2 months ago.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1^^^^
Do you own Digg? Who gave you the right to determine what gets posted or not? This is a user driven site, interesting articles will self propogate to the front page. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I used to crank call people in the middle east
now this stupid program is making me stop
freaken when ever i find something fun to annoy people
the big bad gov takes it away.. NO digg.
and as for the enemy finding out.. we even bugged the UN... you have to expect the unexpected with america - rodball, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0"I'd be happy to compare my IQ with you any day, for the record. I'm not shy."
Mine is infinity+1. And yours? - andreo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0When it comes to hard hitting jounalism I aways turn to Popular Mechanics! I should sue you for making me laugh so hard gmanhoobie.
- Xopl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0@jamesgamble
Are you making fun of me for typing "here" instead of "hear?" That's very original and very clever.
I know it makes you feel more comfortable to think I'm stupid or crazy. I agree, the alternative is almost too terrifying to fathom, much less accept.
I'm wondering if my irony was lost on you? Are you just pissed that I'm Anti-Bush, or did you miss the irony and you are pissed that I want to out the personal details of the Pro-Bush people? You see, it's funny, because I turned the usual Pro-Bush "if you don't have anything to hide" argument around and used it to persecute people I didn't like... call them names... a lot like what you are doing now... I boxed all the Pro-Bush people into the crazy-old-people or stupid-kid category, and you are now boxing me into the partially-retarded or medication-skipping category... all the time trying to assert you are somehow better than me. Hmmm...
I'd be happy to compare my IQ with you any day, for the record. I'm not shy. - Xopl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0DAMNIT!!!!!! Now whatever I say, you are still one bigger than that! Does infinity+2 beat infinity+1?
- TargetDigg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Dumb political article with no technology tie = "OK this is lame"
- djfelix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Read my lips ... NO POLITICS ON DIGG!!
No digg. Lame. Not technology related. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Yay! The government is spying on international calls! Not you calling your mother!
- kevindigg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2@Goracle
Obviously you know nothing about this at all. A FISA warrant can actually be gotten after the fact. They can record the conversation and go back and get a retroactive warrant. - Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0djfelix:
Read my Lips......NO NEW TAXES.
-George H.W. Bush - calcool, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2This only goes to prove that Federal Judges have too much authority. I personally would give up some privacy to know that I can walk into a building and feel safe.
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