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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+50No law supercedes the Constitution, which guarantees every citizen's right to privacy and the right to a due process warrant for search and seizure. It doesn't say "unless the President thinks it's a national security matter"! We're almost at a full blow dictatorship:
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2726609
http://www.codebot.org/articles/?doc=9360 - starmanjones, on 10/12/2007, -8/+40about damn time.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27Just because you leave politics alone doesn't mean politics will leave you alone.
- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27Keep your elected officials on speed dial and let them know that this is a vital issue come next election. It is about time we put aside the spin and get some facts on this. If they refuse to cooperate vote them out in November.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27"No conversations were recorded. Only in your partisian imagination."
Partisian? Did you read the article? Arlen Specter is one of the folks calling for an investigation.....you know...the REPUBLICAN senator. - actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20@ jull1234
"Thats a bit extreme. I'd like you to spend a day in a nation with a dictator, and then come screaming back."
The way things are going, we may all get more than a day. And this is coming from someone who used to consider themselves a moderate. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23All these SOB's need to go!!!! enough is enough, they are wiping their ass with our constitution, and making the American people the laughing stock of the world. Boycott AT&T , Verizon, and all those other corporations that have stuck it up our butt. , Bush and his whole crew belong in jail, not in control of our great country.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22Good. What we need next are impeachment hearings. Then again, maybe he can keep pissing people off enough for a few more short months that in November the Republicans lose control of both houses of Congress. I say let him keep going until November, and once he has cost Republicans all of Congress, impeach the mother *****.
- sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -11/+27Empeach! Getting rid of a president because he likes women as opposed to one who likes perving and intruding upon private lives - who is the greater pervert here?
- animecrazy9, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17@ beni
have you ever read the fourth ammendment? - JonnyJ, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18""Our efforts are focused on links to al Qaeda and their known affiliates. So far we've been very successful in preventing another attack on our soil."
god dammit...every time Bush gets in trouble for pissing in the wrong pond, he throws in these key words that have been repeated so many times that they subliminally trigger fear in Americans.
"American Soil"
"Al Qaeda"
"War on Terror"
"Weapons of Mass Destruction"
Is it just me or have these statements become so bastardized that that they almost seem like arbitrary fillers? I'm Sick of the fear tactics, sick of the word hating us, sick of the administration. - actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15sspooner: marked as an idiot.
- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16When the very tech we use is threatened by political interests then political posts are in play. Net neutrality anyone?
- deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Agreed! Impeach the SOB. What is this? Day after day, new cover-ups are unfolded on how this so-called "democratic" government is taking away our right to privacy. And their excuse (which they love to throw around); "In the name of war on terror".
Well, "In the name of war on terror", I say we impeach this privacy terrorist. We impeach this terrorist of the truth and mastermind of weapons of mass deception.
Like they say the book titled "1984" was only off by 20 years. Big brother is not only watching, but they want their heads up our asses.
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Time for Impeachment. This is a terrorist that we can actually stop before it's too late and we can't undo what he has already done. - Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Kilofax,
What is this point you are trying to make? You fail in many areas. Firstly, its in the description, not the title. Another thing, the NSA is an intelligence agency whose primary missions are to "eavesdrop". If you are unclear of what the NSA does, or what it even stands for, I suggest you educate yourself on the subject a bit more. I don't know if you really pay attention to the news, but as of today, "eavesdropping program" is interchangeable with "NSA wiretap program".
So really.... your comment is quite worthless and makes an invalid point, since the "NSA wiretap program" is at the center of articles such as these.
Remember Kilofax, its much easier to throw rocks at a house than it is to build one. - FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17thank GOD... or whomever!
- mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13"So far we've been very successful in preventing another attack on our soil."
I'd like to see some proof of that. Until the people see the proof, we have no good reason whatsoever to assume that all of this has benefited us in any way. - tHePeOPle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@rasterbator
Oh really? Then why in the holy ***** didn't Specter put Alberto Gonzales UNDER OATH during the first round of illegal wiretap hearings!? You are wrong. Open your eyes to what's going on here. I called AT&T today and canceled my ***** phone service from them. All of my senators and reps have heard from me by now. I suggest you do the same. Other than voting, I avoid politics like the plague, but this has me in a whole different world of pissed off. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12kapmahn and sspooner, you don't have to read it, if you don want to read about politics here, simply don't click on the link...
- sh0k, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."
-Voltaire - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11kapmahn
i can understand your frustration, but if things keep going on like they are , there will be no RSS feeds, no Digg and no free speech on the Internet. Granted Digg is a tech forum, but 99% of the people who come here are very intelligent people, and a political topic like this one is very relevant to technology as we know it. if we bury or heads in the sand by not discussing topics like this , we will lose the ability to... - floejoe, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16It's Shiva... get it right.
- whisk3rs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Back in the times of slavery, when the President (Johnson) started usurping power, the Congress didn't hesitate much to uplift the President's influence.
Of course, there were other issues involved, there was a greater separation of the Legislative and the Executive branches, but still, they impeached the guy, essentially, for breach of Consitution, for removing the Secretary Of War.
Now, did this administration flush the Constitution down the toilet yet, after wiping their asses with it? I wonder what this will do to the 32% approval rating. - pgm_01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10The politics will leave Digg when the Politicians leave tech alone. So far they have decided to remove net neutrality, and have decided to keep a log of every phone call. They have proposed forcing ISPs to keep a log of all of the sites you visit in the name of saving the children. Then there is all of the RIAA/MPAA copyright improvements, including screwing with television to prevent you from recording and trying outlaw satellite radio receivers that can record audio. In just about every case the politicians mange to be on the wrong side of a tech issue. If you want the politics off digg, tell your representatives to stop trying break technology.
- deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'm as outraged as most of you, but with the neo-cons in control of all three of branches of government, we can not trust or rely on congress to do it's duty. It's up to us, the citizens.
-If- the Bush administration's flagrant violation of federal laws were taken to task at the same level as Clinton Monica WhiteWater, Bush would already be writing memiors... from jail. - aplusplus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10How long until it's "national security" again?
- actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"No conversations were recorded."
Yeah, I guess we should just trust Bush. Oh wait -- didn't he originally say this NSA program only applied to people calling countries with ties to terrorism? So he lied about that, WMDs, etc, but this time he's absolutely telling the whole truth?
By the way, what is the definition of "countries with ties to terrorism"? Countries where terrorists have been known to safely live and plot actions? Afghanistan, Iran, Tanzania, Kenya, France, Britain, Canada, and of course, right here in the US. Maybe he didn't lie about the NSA the first time after all. - reed311, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
- mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"Just because you leave politics alone doesn't mean politics will leave you alone."
Now THAT'S a quotable.
And people, enough with the "digg is tech news only" stuff. Notice how there are other categories besides that? What are they there for if digg is supposed to be tech news only? - orangetiki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Just impeach? man if this was going on in another country we'd be draggin his ass out of the office ourselves.
- lagerbottom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@Everyone bitching and screaming
Let this be a wake up call to the 20 somethings who would rather stay home and quote the simpsons than get out and vote - if you didn't try to vote this guy out in the last election, you have no one but yourself to blame.
Instead of griping on a message board, GO VOTE.
/* if you did vote, nothing to see here, move along :) */ - Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7How do you know that for sure? Details are not fully disclosed and Bush has admited that there is eavesdropping, and eavesdropping is what the NSA does.
Sspooner, its better to have knowledge of a situation than to immediately mark as innaccurate. Like I said earlier, "eavesdropping program" is interchangeable with the "NSA wiretapping program". Its much more a title rather than a direct statement.
You get a down digg for innacuracy. - mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7DavidtheDuke, everyone in the whole frigging nation is pretty damn unreasonable by the standards of any sane person. Note that key word: SANE.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Would a world like that be all that bad? I love Elk ,Venison and Corn. I would much rather my biggest worry was getting that Elk, than the horrible world situation we have now...
- Ekstra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Your phone number and address are public information that the government has a right to know.
The government has no right to track who we talk to and for how long unless they get a court order based on suspected criminal activity.
Its not that hard to understand --> The government illegally collected private information about the calling habits of tens of millions of completely innocent Americans.
Without a court order to restrict their behavior, god only knows what the NSA agents have been doing with the information. They probably queried the database to find out who Bill Gates calls on the weekends, or which congressmen are calling the local whorehouse in DC. They could certainly find out which Republican senators have been working with Democratic senators behind the back of the administration. I bet GW and Dick would love that info.
The temptation to abuse the illegally obtained information is simply too great, especially if you sincerely think you are doing good. That is why there are laws (starting with the constitutional right to privacy) that prevent the government from collecting it in the first place. - buss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4And wouldn't you know it, since Bush has been in office, I haven't seen any bears on my front lawn. Thanks Mr. Bush! /sarcasm
- buss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Beni:
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
"...be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects..." is privacy. Maybe you should read the constitution and the bill of rights before spouting off talking points. - bossm4n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So many people here not interested in the truth on either side of the aisle, just a split right down party lines which is what is wrong with this country to begin with. And yes I realize that some Republicans are involved in calling for hearings etc., which I would call more grandstanding than substance. Before you start calling for the presidents head, how about waiting to see what it any rights were violated. If no one wants the NSA to track information for the security of this country, exactly who is suppossed to?
- fideli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That was a funny post :)
- Pimptastic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2All polotics aside, This is one impressive database they have constructed. Wonder what the actual physical storage size is of it.
- deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I have had problems with Qwest in the past, but as of now, I'm a Verizon customer and I plan to go and cancel my plan today and move to Qwest. It will cost me a bit (early termination) but they can suck my balls... I will not be a customer of 'friendly fascism'. The fact that Verizon makes money letting the government scour my phone calls is a load of crap, too.
To add insult to injury, when I called Verizon to find out about my term fees and asked about the NSA allegations, they played coy and said "No, that's Verzion Communications. We're Verizon wireless! They're totally different."
The customer service agent neglected to mention that Verizon communications is a majority owner of Verizon wireless that has signaled it's intent to buy out the remaining 45% from Vodafone.
Notice the pattern here... Megacorps scratch the neo-cons back, the neo-cons scratch the megacorps back. It's great for them, but ordinary citizens lose.
Verizon joins Sony on my 'die! die! die!' list. - Ekstra, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Maybe it is a bad title and the word eavesdropping is inaccurate. However, people regularly use inflamatory language when they are really pissed off.
Don't make the mistake of getting pedantic about vocabulary. The real point here is that millions of people are seriously pissed off that the government has been systematically collecting private information (who we call and when) about completely innocent Americans for years and years.
It's even more infuriating to know that the big telecoms were colluding in this outrage. - buss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Its a really terribly made site, but http://www.impeachbush.org/
- terminalpariah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Maybe that should be this administration's slogan. "Still arguably better than living in Cuba."
- tsbardella, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is obviously politcal spam - the negative diggs on this are probably all by people using multiple accounts this is "Moonbatism" at work. The real digg story is Pimptastics take - hellava lot of data to mine
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8"Digg is not a political commentary website, please take your political views elsewhere."
Such as up your ass, might I suggest? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5NO MORE BLOOD FOR OIL!!!
- actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3paedomorphic
"New rule: If you are going to pretend that you know more than the President of the United States when it comes to national security matters, you must first know how to spell 'surveillance'."
When did literacy become a requirement when matching wits the man who coined: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6376780497789960523&pl=true: - dandyhighwayman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2http://marilyncarolyn.blogspot.com/2006/05/college-student-impressed-with.html
- MrCobaltBlue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why are you modding beni down? He has a valid point. The Constitution doesn't give the right to privacy directly, BUT a supreme court ruling said that it does making it implied.
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