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- w0rd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sony won't do anything resembling this until they are forced to by a court order.
- mercano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Excellent idea. Only problem is Sony can't do it because it uses a feature in their software that they are unaware of, or at least deny all knowledge of.
- ProphetSix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"How about lets not digg this becuase sony is ghey and you just want the rating...." - Vernon388
Did you actually READ the story? It's very well written, researched, and contains valid technical knowledge. Even shows some inner workings of the "non-existant" dial-home service of the player that Sony says doesn't exist. Maybe you don't like Sony, and maybe the story is over-played, but it's still valid, and I don't think it's just "for the digg". - Esso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The president of the RIAA has declared this a non-issue and praised Sony for going "above-and-beyond" it's duty. I don't think Sony will do much more until forced to by consumer boycotts or court rulings. Even then it will be too little too late.
One thing that I suspect that was their goal all along, it to make consumers afraid to put put CDs into PC at all. Sony et al would prefer you to just play the disks in traditional players in home/auto stereos because the PC "thing" scares the living crap out of them. Their business model to built on manufacturing, distributing and promoting a physical "product" with the music locked into it. This was the case in the pre-digital days and they are desperately trying to recreate that now.
I predict they will fail, but at what cost to them or the consumers? - Kamakazi15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the damage is already done, even if they do recall the cds the DRM software is still going to be there. They've created a huge huge security issue.
- jborg91, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry, elxx, Sony brought this on themselves and have only themselves to blame. They've turned many formerly loyal customers into Sony haters. I know I'll never trust Sony again. No. Freaking. Way.
- locojones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There's nothing legal that would prevent Sony from notifying the affected users in this way. The rules of evidence preclude the introduction of remedial measures (that is, actions taken after the fact) to prove liability on any particular issue. In other words, the class action lawyers could not introduce the fact that Sony used its phone home system to notify customers of the opportunity to replace their cds to prove that, in fact, Sony sold them bad cds.
- ProphetSix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Navtidia -
No, this isn't a "lets allow pop-ups and messenger spam" like a hole in Windows. This answer would only apply to the Sony player. If you have the Sony player, it would look up your CD and see if it needed replacement, and send you a notice IN THE PLAYER that you could replace the CD, via a banner ad at the bottom of the player. If you don't have the player, or aren't playing a "bad" CD, then nothing would happen.
Again, depends on if Sony wanted to implement this our not. - hyphn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i don't think they can.... but if they gave me a free PSP & a free PS3, then I *might* buy another CD... maybe....
- Zzzzz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have heard some rumblings that the same root kit problem exists on the Spiderman 2 and Seinfeld DVD releases!!
Wonder if someone can confirm this for me or not?!?! This would suck even more! - JohnDGeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's very optimistic this will happen given the recent responses from Sony / BMG concerning this.
- ScratchMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Businesses can watch for www.sonymusic.com in their DNS logs to find "infected" systems, and can intercept the query and redirect it to an internal web server that puts up their own notification banner.
- troydoogle7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah Right sony, will do something like that. There is more chance that they will let Gary Glitter be a primary school teacher.....
- 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> vektuz wrote: "And remember, whenever you speak to the uneducated public about DRM, call it 'drm virus' or 'drm trojan' or 'drm spyware', and never 'drm'."
That is an excellent idea, vektuz! The republicans use the same technique to great effect when naming many of their programs (and I'm not trying to piss off any republicans by writing this) such as the "Clear Skies Initiative."
I will never again write or mention DRM without adding the word Virus, Spyware or Trojan Horse. And this plan has the added benefit of being the truth.
Now we need to do the same thing with the DMCA. Any ideas? - Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2And remember, whenever you speak to the uneducated public about DRM, call it 'drm virus' or 'drm trojan' or 'drm spyware', and never 'drm'.
When a member of the uneducated public goes to the store, and is about to buy that fancy new box of electronics, and stops and ask, "wait, does this have DRM in it?" ... WE HAVE WON - firestorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Does noone else see this as a security risk too?
"Click here to find information on getting your free replacement CD! Information provided courtesy of Soni-BMG!" - roguepirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They Clean it up by releasing the PS3 ASAP. with the buzz the PS3 is gonna get, nobody is going to be thinking about the rootkit.
- Offill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Digg this a thousand times over. I personally won't forgive Sony, but a lot of people who bought these CDs are still unaware that the rootkit exists. The response from a Sony server would at least help the user acknowledge the existance of the rootkit. + Digg
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> anti-Sony people [are] parasites.
Say again. How do you figure that? I'm the one with damaging, parasitic code wedged in between my operating system and my optical drive.
This is about market correction. This is the consumer, stick-end of capitalism that *MUST* function to force corporations to behave responsibly and ethically. It is literally in the interest of EVERY consumer on the entire planet to punish Sony until they can take no more (maybe until they go out of business... that would be fine by me).
In short, this is NOT about letting a corporate body get off scott-free just because they eventually admitted that what they have done to millions of people was WRONG.
The reality is that companies spend lots of money to spin their more extreme ***** against consumers... so, I have to ask at this point: are you astroturf? You sure smell like it.
> I would settle for nothing less than the honorable deaths of the
> Sony CEO and his henchmen in the traditional ceremony of harikari.
Yeah... only problem is that the Sony CEOs who put this particular wheel in motion is an American CEO... they have no honor and as a consequence their death would be meaningless... so, feel free to shoot them on the street like the mad dogs that they are.
> the damage is already done, even if they do recall the cds the
> DRM software is still going to be there. They've created a huge
> huge security issue.
Only Sony knows *exactly* how many of these CDs they've sold and they're also the only ones who know *exactly* how many of these CDs they've recalled. If automakers have a critical component failure that threatens lives and reputations (let's see the first case of Sony assisted malware used to make someone look like they're surfing porn at work), they are forced to recall the product. In extreme cases, they are forced to refund money or provide the consumer with a product from another company. Sony CDs are like nuclear waste just accumulating out there... it is in Sony's best interest of recall these CDs, offering consumers money in exchange for the return... do you think free MP3 are really going to get consumers to send in their CDs? Fsck no. They're going to pawn them off at the second hand shop and get some cold, hard cash and foist the problem off on some other poor schmuck's back. - Elxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Argh, you submitters really need to stop giving articles for the anti-Sony people to feed on. They're like parasites.
- Rocketgeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0avantretard wrote:
> Do you honestly think a sizable amount of people care about DRM
> and Sony crap?
Well going on the fact that in the last 2 days, I've met several people at different businesses who are not readers of the geek media or blogs, and with no IT background who have all mentioned the Sony DRM issue, and that they will not buy a Sony CD or a Sony product again for that matter, and will not let Sony CDs be brought into their businesses or homes, and I'm certainly noticing, for the first time, a genuine feeling of anger amongst general consumers I know.
The negative PR value on this is not just going to go away in a hurry, however much Sony tries to spin it.
> Most of us, the people who DO care, will probably still buy Sony.
I know I won't, and that's after 3 Sony Vaio laptops and a bunch of Sony camcorders and a Sony sound system. I know of nobody else who will in the circles I move in, and that includes not buying the PS3 either.
Personally, I won't be happy until Thomas Hesse is sacked from Sony, and until someone finds a way of personally ruining him financially for his arrogant attitude. The guy deserves to be horsewhipped.
Not that I'm angry or anything.... ;-) - jdehnert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Here's a thought. Let Sony know that not only will you stop buying Sony/BMG Music, but also Sony Audio and Video equipment, and no PS3's, PSP's, or any related material or products.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's either Sony does this or the lawyers use it to sue the living daylights out of Sony.
Personally, I relish the prospect of either scenario.
If the lawyers sue Sony I won't see a dime, but the damages will be so inflated and it will drain so much money from Sony's coffers that they'll never do anything like this again.
If Sony decides to do the right thing and buys back my fux0red audio CDs, then I'm off to the second hand store. I will set up a computer (maybe someone could get this going with vmware, virtual pc or xen) and reinfect over and over and over until until I am able to use the "notify your customer" letters Sony has sent my ISP to heat my house for the winter. - thegoldfish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If someone got around to making the script that that causes the message to be displayed then we could all point our poison our own DNS servers to point connected.sonymusic.com at it then we could inform everyone down stream about it (or anything else we wanted). I have had to do that before for a virus to stop users on my network downloading a Trojan
- avantretard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Or they could just let it disappear with time. Do you honestly think a sizable amount of people care about DRM and Sony crap? Most of us, the people who DO care, will probably still buy Sony.
- Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No digg. No DRM. No Sony.
- AbsentLight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They could apologize. At the least...
- BenEdelman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Thegoldfish,
I understand what you suggest, and I know how to do this. In fact, I have already written the necessary script -- I had to, in order to run the tests described on my article. If you'd like to get in touch with me -- for implementation assistance in putting this on your network, etc. -- you can reach me at http://www.benedelman.org/mail . As you say, a DNS server cache poisoning approach should be sufficient to address the problem and spread word to users of a given network.
Ben - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would settle for nothing less than the honorable deaths of the Sony CEO and his henchmen in the traditional ceremony of harikari.
- mckennage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0We can't let them off this easily. We need to fight back hard. I wrote up a few ideas as to how you can cause the most damage to Sony: http://henage.net/dan/security/sony-rootkit.html
- FishyJoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The best way to change Sony's ways is to stop buying their products.
- Esso, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"PS3 =DEAD"
And Blue-Ray hopefully. I was in the HD-DVD camp before, but after this I REALLLLY want Blue-Ray to fail. - ProphetSix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Like to see it happen, but, Sony STILL doesn't think it did anything wrong. And, with the number of lawsuits filed against them in this matter, I would think that the Sony lawyers would say that this is a bad move for them. Would be the right thing to do, but maybe not the smart legal thing to do.
- ksgant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0here's how they can clean up their DRM mess...with me at least.
Dissolve their company. Sell everything they own, every single asset, split all the money they have now and what they will get from the sale equally with every employee they have now, then at every site where Sony had a physical building tear it down and put up monuments saying that they are sorry.
Only then, will I be satisfied.
I'm WAITING! - stevedemon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0This is a brilliant idea! The existence of that feature raises some questions, but Sony can make good on it in my mind by doing what the article suggests. I'm glad Sony has taken the steps they have so far to clean up this mess. Kudos to digg users and the web community as a whole for denouncing this so loudly. I can finally buy SOAD's newest CD with a little piece of mind.
- navtiidia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0is this going to turn peoples SP2 windows pcs into sp1 or pre sp computers... like the windows messenger thing?
- capajc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0If the post/story is any good, it'll get dugg. If not, it hopefully won't (though certainly crap has a too-large chance of hitting the front page with the recent Digg community).
Saying "Lets (sic) digg this" will just turn some people off and keep them from even reading the article. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0PS3 =DEAD
they can clean the mess up by getting rid of ps3.. :) - vemon388, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0How about lets not digg this becuase sony is ghey and you just want the rating....
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