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- joelcass, on 11/15/2009, -3/+94and then they denied that the hacking had happened.....
- mwtapp, on 11/14/2009, -10/+945 more point for the Internet.
- macmcraeart, on 11/15/2009, -4/+82LOL AOL.
- elliotys, on 11/15/2009, -14/+82Why does Glenn Beck never talk about the holocaust? Does he deny it ever happened? I'm just asking questions.
- elliotys, on 11/15/2009, -2/+55Um dude, Austria isn't Brittain. And yes, germany and the countries over there really take this ***** seriously. Hmmm, I wonder why.
- chockster, on 11/15/2009, -0/+34Germany and Austria retain very strict laws about most war-era things. Swastikas included. Probably a little outdated, but who wants to be the politician that advocates letting people hang swastikas again?
- JohnnyBoy117, on 11/15/2009, -1/+31Austria, the new Britain.
- detcade, on 11/14/2009, -17/+46They should go for FOX next.
- howdareyou, on 11/15/2009, -1/+27http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Controversial_holocaust_ ...
http://88.80.16.63/leak/david-irving-emails-2009.t ... (direct link, text file) - AgeofMastery, on 11/15/2009, -1/+26Read what you wrote again
"He was convicted in Austria in 2006 of denying the Holocaust"
Britain comes into it where? And yes, Holocaust denial is a crime in Austria and Germany, for some reason they're very touchy about that subject. I'd let them talk and keep making idiots of themselves, but I can also see the other side of it. - hawkspur, on 11/15/2009, -1/+26Laws in Germany and Austria regarding WWII are exceptionally strict. Nazi paraphernalia and such are outlawed.
- DeuceDissonance, on 11/15/2009, -7/+32The Jews control this, the Jews control that...blah blah blah. I'm Jewish and I can't control my own bowel movements half the time. That's right, I literally don't control *****. The lumping of all Jews into one hugely wealthy and tyrannical entity is way more offensive to me than the denial of the holocaust (denying the holocaust is just dumb and delusional).
I'd wager that the majority of Jews in the world, like myself, are neither wealthy nor powerful.
All that being said, ***** David Irving. It doesn't sound like anybody is scared of "historical debate." It sounds to me like progressive individuals are asserting and protecting themselves by any means necessary. - zinc6471, on 11/15/2009, -0/+21i can tell because they are so skinny that you can't even see pixels anymore
- Iamien, on 11/15/2009, -6/+27$10 says someone guessed their passwords of "diejews"
- caseycoold, on 11/15/2009, -2/+22OH NOES!! MY MEGAHURTZ HAEV BEEN STOELED!!111
Using AOL? I didn't even realize they still had real accounts any more. - hatdrop, on 11/15/2009, -2/+21shopped
/s - strangewill, on 11/15/2009, -2/+20Why does Glen Beck never talk about our secret love affair?
- Eric-tile, on 11/15/2009, -0/+16That was a stupid mistake on my part. I feel dumb now. They mention Britain in the same sentence and I got confused.
@AgeofMastery
Given the history of Austria and Germany, I'm inclined to agree. Especially considering that it was little more than words that changed the Germanic people's opinion of Jewish people. - Greengoo, on 11/15/2009, -0/+16Actually from the article his password was 7Hv4Leda which is admittedly pretty secure.
- DaDrake, on 11/15/2009, -5/+21Nobody should portray these mischeifs as heroes. More often then not, these are teenagers using the anonymity of the internet in order to obtain a feeling of superiority. When you look at those who've been caught, rarely do they have any sort of history with the victim; yet, they pick these social pariahs in order to further limit the risks of being caught (no police force is going to put much effort in bringing justice to holocaust deniers, pedophiles, etc). In other words, they are cowards.
Defending the average citizen right to privacy is easy... defending someone who offends you is much more difficult. Unfortunately, there are still many people advocating for vigilante justice or.... equally as worse.... turning a blind eye to such "justice." - AppleKate, on 11/15/2009, -14/+29You can be sentenced to three years in prison for questioning the death tolls of the Holocaust? Can you be put in jail for questioning other historical events?
Seems like there's a lot of censorship on both sides here. - mega-volt, on 11/15/2009, -5/+20are you kidding me. Faux would love the attention.
- dty2010, on 11/15/2009, -6/+20If a historian denies the Holocaust, do we still have to call them a historian?
- Greengoo, on 11/15/2009, -2/+15It's just that *sob* I just love this country *sob* so much...
- CalMonroe, on 11/15/2009, -3/+16 I was a history major in college and we actually took a class that involved a lot of Irving's work. It was looked upon as how not to study history. Irving has a goal of proving that the Holocaust numbers were much lower and that Hitler had no idea that the extermination of the Jews was happening.
In order to prove this, Irving has done extensive research that he liberally edits to prove his point. Although I can't cite a specific incident because I don't have any of my notes handy, a lot of his quotes and sources aren't direct but edited by him to convey a meaning almost entirely different than what they should. It was the equivalent of a journalist "directly" quoting someone who said, "This doesn't scare me," as "This... scare(s) me." A bad example but a point nonetheless. His quotations are also translated and interpreted from German by him, and many interpreters and translators who look at the documents he has studied have decried his translations as wrong.
He also has a reputation for citing numerous sources that either don't exist or are missing from German National archives and have no record of where they have gone.
I guess the best way to sum up the problem with Irving is that he does not go about the historical method properly. Not to say that the method couldn't be updated or isn't outdated (progress is usually a good thing) but he is not being progressive. He is basically lying and coming out with falsities as historical truth. - cheviot, on 11/15/2009, -0/+13At different times Irving has claimed the death toll of the Holocaust first as four million, then one million, then six hundred thousand. I'd imagine by sometime early next decade he'll be claiming there were more Jews in Europe after the Holocaust than before it.
His "evidence" stands up to no scrutiny. He ignores evidence of the systematic murder of Jews and places in high regard the smallest of self-serving comments made by Nazi officers proclaiming their innocence. This isn't simply a difference of opinion. It's much more akin to creationists who ignore all evidence that doesn't fit their creationist viewpoint. - theaverageidiot, on 11/15/2009, -12/+23Yeah man! Because it's okay to stomp all over a person's rights to personal privacy if you disagree with their opinions!
/s - elliotys, on 11/15/2009, -4/+15@rolf
So your against slander/libel laws. - rolf, on 11/15/2009, -0/+10No, that's not exactly the law is, at least in Germany. Public display of such items are outlawed as well as producing it in the here and now (post-war period), but the sale and trade of is legal for teaching, researching and other historical (collecting) purposes. They even have auction houses selling the stuff, usually putting a sticker on the offending symbol to follow the law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_%C2%A ... - reticulate, on 11/15/2009, -1/+11If those six million aren't dead, I'm fairly certain there's a lot of families who'd like to know where their relatives are.
- MasterChi, on 11/15/2009, -0/+10I have to give this Irving guy credit, his password is decently secured compared to the other 80% of the world that uses words or all lowercase. Just a little bit surprised they managed to hack it. Must have been man in the middle attack otherwise AOL has no lockout policy and they just brute forced it for about 3 to 6 months.
- iPwnN00bs, on 11/15/2009, -0/+9Cartman? Is that you?
- caseycoold, on 11/15/2009, -0/+9or your spelling....
- cheviot, on 11/15/2009, -2/+11Irving claimed there were no mass murders of prisoners via gas chambers at Auschwitz. He called the gas chambers a hoax in and of themselves, saying they never existed and were only created as mockups by the Poles after the war.
When presented with evidence of survivors and of cyanide residue still clinging to the interior walls of the gas chambers he dismisses such evidence. Only evidence in keeping with his view that the Holocaust did not occur is acceptable to him.
He often speaks of a vast sinister Jewish conspiracy that controls the world. He persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence. This is not a man with a different interpretation of the facts. This is a man who ignores the facts to promote his own viewpoint. - chockster, on 11/15/2009, -3/+11Well, "denying" is used in a more broad sense here, rather than literally claiming it never happened. If he's claiming that less than six million people died, then he *is* denying the events of the Holocaust.
And yes, as a historian it is his responsibility to investigate but imagine if, for example, a historian came out with a book that claimed black people didn't get the vote because they were all lazy and never bothered to try to get it... you'd imagine he might be met with some justified criticism, no? You can't hide behind a banner of academic objectivity when you're making claims with no evidence. - Greengoo, on 11/15/2009, -0/+8Irving's personal AOL account :
focalp@aol.com password: 7Hv4Leda
Tried it, already changed :( - chrismgtis, on 11/15/2009, -1/+8A. Hackers can be idiots like anyone else my friends.
B. They should have been selective about what information they made public.
C. They committed a crime nonetheless.
D. The Holocaust did happen. If you disagree on any level whatsoever, your brain fails at functioning and you should proceed directly to the gas chamber yourself, because you, unlike the Jews, are a detriment to society. (also known as "a danger" for those of you that are too busy to Google the definition before you flame me for what you thought the word meant). - Idiggapony, on 11/15/2009, -1/+8I hate Fox News. As far as I'm concerned, the whole ***** network should be melted down and used to make something more useful, like maybe a gigantic water slide for unicorns or something.
However, (1) I'd like to think we were all able discuss other topics without someone reflexively bringing up how terrible Fox News is. Don't we have other, more mature ways to make friends, like how awesome we think Led Zeppelin is, or something? (2) it's kind of ***** offensive of you to imply that somehow Fox News deserves the same treatment as anti-Semitic Holocaust deniers. - LeepII, on 11/15/2009, -1/+8The Mossad at work again.
- fasda, on 11/15/2009, -5/+12there's a difference between between slandering someone and denying that 18 million innocent people were murdered.
- aqweio, on 11/15/2009, -0/+6Enhance!
- digitalArtform, on 11/15/2009, -2/+8Conservatives like to conflate Obama, Hitler and Socialism, yet somehow I don't think these guys are - or would be - Obama supporters.
Just a hunch. - kingmanic, on 11/15/2009, -0/+6You can tell by the pixels.
- giveer, on 11/15/2009, -4/+10"conservatives are not Holocaust deniers"
Uhh... he didn't say they were. Why on Earth would you bother twisting his words around like tha.....
"...because I'm conservative"
..ooooOOoohhh. - KibibyteBrain, on 11/15/2009, -2/+7@rolf While I personally think freedom of expression is of such importance it is not worth being the means of any ends, I can forgive someone for disagreeing when they have the guilt of attempted genocide done in the name of their motherland just over half a century ago to contend with as a dark part of their national identity.
- gailkim, on 11/15/2009, -0/+5Prosecution of thought crimes should be stopped. Thats all I got from this article.
- Foozy, on 11/15/2009, -1/+5Rudolph Roland Rudolph
55 Tulip Ave Bldg3 Apt6
Floral Park, NY 11001
516-616-9601
There's even a Nazi's phone number and he has Hitler pictures on his Myspace, that's really normal. - zaferk, on 11/15/2009, -0/+4successful troll is successful
- Idiggapony, on 11/15/2009, -1/+5He doesn't just passively hold an opinion. He goes around writing books and giving lectures about how evil Jews are, actively stirring hatred in others, and thereby causing some of the many violent hate crimes that are frequently committed against Jews all around the world.
You're wrong about how evil David Irving is, but you're right about the people who hacked him. Invading someone's privacy and posting their private information on the internet is a ***** thing to do, even if he is an evil scumbag. -
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