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- earthtoandy, on 10/14/2009, -0/+26This country makes me sad when I see people saying it's alright for a company to steal private info because she is 'dumb', doesn't have good enough computer security, or because she uses aol. They may not be smart moves but that doesn't makes it ok to steal her stuff? That's absurd. I'm not saying there is proof, that's what the lawsuit is about if you read the article, to seek evidence and find out if they did but everyone seems to be saying "even if there is proof they did it it is her fault". What is wrong with our culture that has lead us to that value system? I'm all about personal responsibility but cmon.
God forbid any of you forget to lock your car one day. Oh and girls are 'asking to be raped' when they wear sexy clothes too. - lukedude, on 10/14/2009, -1/+24AOL is still around?
- Super6, on 10/14/2009, -2/+17If the emails critical to running your organization are being handled by AOL then I think that losing some files is probably not the only reason you couldn't get the bill passed. And seriously, I know AOL sucks but do they not use SSL? How could they possibly get her email credentials?
- UndeniablyRexer, on 10/14/2009, -1/+8Well, it's easy when your password is in the dictionary and even easier when it's your phone number.
- mehan, on 10/14/2009, -1/+8"her organization’s AOL e-mail"
wat - gorgeoussand, on 10/14/2009, -1/+8UGH !!! This is bad . . . sad for the airlines.
- enantiodromia, on 10/14/2009, -0/+7Registrant:
C.C. Panda
Brenda Simmons
6518 Mojave Ave
Twentynine Palms, Ca 92277
US
Phone: 760-367-6870
Email: @aol.com
you? - vodka357, on 10/14/2009, -0/+6Doesn't it seem kind of stupid that we need passenger advocates to force airlines to allow us to use the bathroom?
- geekworking, on 10/14/2009, -0/+6The proof is that the Companies produced her personal documents as a part of an argument. Even if they were not the ones that did the actual stealing, they were still in possession of the stolen data. It is like somebody driving up in your car and saying that they are innocent because you cannot prove that they are the ones that stole it.
- Nerden, on 10/14/2009, -0/+6@cCPanda, your domain name needs renewing in 2 weeks btw
- Tarantulus, on 10/14/2009, -0/+5SSL is not god, it is fallible... there have been at least 5 proven SSL hacks in the last month
- onceuponabrain, on 10/14/2009, -1/+5"Delta denies the charge"
What a surprice... - stabile007, on 10/14/2009, -1/+4I am sorry but where is the proof? She doesn't even know who did it if this is the case that she was hacked at all. All she has is AOL's supposed word (which really isn't much) and the fact that her laptop is now "corrupted" which Windows can do all on its own quite easily. She probably got a virus or something from being a ding-a-ling online.
- Eyght, on 10/14/2009, -0/+3Couldn't they just have read it all on her facebook page?
- DamnMan, on 10/14/2009, -0/+2Seeing as Delta provided the other company with copies of their own employees email from both hotmail and yahoo. Both of which are SSL encrypted. Yes... fingers tend to point at Delta.
- earthtoandy, on 10/14/2009, -0/+2That's what the courts are for and according to the article the lawsuit is also to seek evidence to determine that (FTA: "She’s suing Delta and Metron Aviation, Inc. to discover how they obtained her correspondence"). I of course agree she has to prove it but this is just an article, not a court brief.
It is a bit suspicious that they had those emails that they used as a basis to fire an employee though. - judicar, on 10/14/2009, -0/+2>She also alleges that other files on her personal computer were “hacked, copied and then corrupted,” rendering all the data on her laptop useless.
This is what happens when your Data Forensics expert is a know-it-all at Best Buy with a bad case of acne. - enantiodromia, on 10/15/2009, -0/+1sounds more like a direct hit to me...
- earthtoandy, on 10/14/2009, -0/+1"You were the first one to make a huge jump by implying...are the same as people who blame a girl for being raped."
No, thats not a jump. Thats using the same logical reasoning to reach a different conclusion in a different situation. In that case I am pointing out the flaw in the logical basis of your argument, not the actual argument. Thats usually harder to do but in this case is very easy.
I agree it is hard to prove and ultimately unlikely, especially the loss of data. But the big concern for me and I am sure her is they were in possession of private emails between her and an employee which they used as a basis to fire that employee. As the article said they were from a personal, non-work email address. That will need to be explained and then justified (which you really can't justify). The lawsuit seeks to uncover how they came into possession of those emails. Thats the biggest concern/red flag in this case - earthtoandy, on 10/14/2009, -0/+1People like me? When you make judgements on others without any info you just look dumb (although you had some, I briefly mentioned my feeling on personal responsibility being important). And I get to call you dumb cause you made snap judgments about me, so thanks for that.
In fact, I believe the lack of personal responsibility is the number one cultural issue America faces that has lead us to the hole we live in today. The only reason I have to take up argument against a concept I believe greatly in is that it is taken it to an extreme where no bad deed is wrong if the person "deserved it". Hold on everyone, we just made the jump to Ludicrous Speed.
You bring up spilling coffee which is a purely individual event, no perpetrator exists in that scenario. If someone runs up and pushes the coffee onto you are they absolved of wrong doing because you don't use a lid on your coffee?
Anyones lack of personal responsibility will NEVER diminish the culpability of someone who perpetrates a crime against them or causes harm due to negligence. NEVER. - Jonjonr6, on 10/14/2009, -1/+1Lol I see must be familiar with Delta's workforce. l33t
- cCPanda, on 10/14/2009, -0/+0Not even the right gender.
- jakobrowning, on 10/14/2009, -1/+1Yeah, because no one else on a shared network could have intercepted that e-mail password that you send in clear text, huh? Had to be Delta with their crack team of hackers.
- cCPanda, on 10/14/2009, -1/+0 It is more like someone duplicating your car then driving up next to you as you look sadly at your car that was totaled sometime during the night but you have no idea how it was totaled. Can you prove it was them who totaled the car just because they copied the car?
- cCPanda, on 10/14/2009, -1/+0 You were the first one to make a huge jump by implying that people that don't feel sorry for someone who does not take precaution loses some data (which happens all the time without corporate espionage) are the same as people who blame a girl for being raped.
It's not that she should have expected other people to hack her equipment, it is technology that fails consistently, and that is what she should have been protecting herself from. Plain and simple a cheap flash drive for back-up could have kept her data safe.
This would be a non-issue if she had just backed-up her data. Computers corrupt data all the time and most of the time it is not due to hackers, and from what I have seen of Airlines they are not organized enough to hack someones data. This is a hard accusation to prove and it seems like she is trying to justify technology failure by pointing a finger at Delta. - cCPanda, on 10/14/2009, -5/+0 I wasn't saying it is OK for a company to steal your info, but she is still dumb for not having a back up. When I did my thesis I had it backed up in so many places it was absurd, (when I had an external hard drive corrupt it was no sweat off my back) and anyone that is risking any kind of important info by only having 1 or 2 copies of it is putting themselves at an unnecessary risk. Last time I was on an Airline, about a month ago, they didn't even have the resources to keep there flight delays updated online, I really doubt any Airlines ability to do anything right, including hacking her *****.
You have to assume a certain level of responsibility when bad things happen to yourself, and that is the problem I have with people like you.
God forbid you spill hot coffee on yourself and it burns your arm, you get a lawyer and sue the coffee shop because they didn't warn you it was hot. When someone's "cousin" in Nigeria needs a quick loan to make million and they fall for it do you feel bad for them?
At what point do you have to take into account personal responsibility? - asgardshill, on 10/14/2009, -7/+2Gotta prove they did it, honey. And judging from the article I read, you can't.
- cCPanda, on 10/14/2009, -8/+0 I have no sympathy for those who do not protect there own *****. Even if they could manage to corrupt her stuff, wouldn't someone have backups of important legal documents. A few (or a lot of) legal documents can easily fit onto any cell phone, flash drive, external drive, mp3 player, etc.
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