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- bvz2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Funny how Yahoo (and in a very different way, Google) are currently being slammed by congress for giving up search information to the Chinese government. There is even a bill being formulated to force US companies doing business in foreign lands without adequate protections to be subject to US law - all in an effort to "safeguard democracy". Yet, somehow when the US government wants similar kinds of access it is seen (by some) as a completely different animal.
- Diseage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Guys. It's not "defending" a 1998 Internet pornography law.
1) The law was destroyed by the Supreme Court. This is the Justice Department trying to do the administration's bidding.
2) As Yoshi39 said, this has nothing to do with naked kids. Nothing at all. The law was meant to stop children from seeing naked adults. Which the Supreme Court ruled unenforceable. - Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@bvz2000: (Quote)
Funny how Yahoo (and in a very different way, Google) are currently being slammed by congress for giving up search information to the Chinese government. There is even a bill being formulated to force US companies doing business in foreign lands without adequate protections to be subject to US law - all in an effort to "safeguard democracy". Yet, somehow when the US government wants similar kinds of access it is seen (by some) as a completely different animal.
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If I remember correctly, Yahoo and other search engines are being bugged by the government for aiding in censorship and in tracking down dissidents for arrest. That isn't exactly what is going on here. They're trying to gather search statistics regarding porn usage and the role search engines have in order to have an study based on something concrete rather than speculation. Whether or not you think their attempt to keep porn from children is a good thing is another issue, but comparing statistics gathering for a study is not comparable to what China was doing, which is the blocking of all sites that are critical of the government and arresting journalists who reported such material.
How is it an attack on civil liberties to gather search statistics? If no personal information is gathered, but only bulk statistics are used, the gathering of statistical data isn't a violation of civil liberties. And if you regard the regulation of pornography in any way to be a violation of civil liberties, keep in mind that plenty of that is already in place: there are regulations regarding whom it can be made available to, the age of the participants, etc. - mortal-god, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"again... This is not about child porn, it is about children searching for porn using google...." thank you leobaby
CHILDREN SEARCHING FOR PORN, and they really have no way of knowing if it was a child that typed in the search terms - Chas555, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I joined the ACLU today and donated because this article was the last straw ...
http://www.aclu.org/ - leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1again... This is not about child porn, it is about children searching for porn using google....
- raccettura, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The one thing this has tought me is that I'm more of a Google fan now, than I ever was (and I was a big fan).
GO GOOGLE>
Seriously... this is insane how much the feds are requesting.
And you know the real purpose of this.... so during election season, they can request search data and use it for campaign purposes. Subpoena for Justice Dept, and let a few people sneak a peak. That's all this is about.
Insane. - Dabellah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's not their job to police pornography... I don't understand how these "research departments" that get payed to search for this stuff day in and day out can't find things that I know I could find (though not that I'd want to). Anyone else see this as an issue? I mean these are tax dollars people. Tax dollars going towards companies that seem to slack off IMO under the impression they are working for the government.
- motionblur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Whatever happened to quality parenting?
- thirdplanet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1google really has stayed with its "don't be evil" policy. everything they've done has been defendable.
Fight the good fight, google. - frickindeal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Once again, the Federal Government is effectively saying "don't bother parenting your children, don't bother being aware of what they're doing online, don't monitor their internet usage: we'll do it for you". I know that's not what this subpoena is about, but to Mr. & Mrs. American Parent, that's what it'll boil down to. "Honey, I'm worried that little Johnny will find porn". "Don't worry dear, the Feds have taken care of that".
Utter rubbish. Google needs to stand firm. It's a publicly traded company now, perhaps the stockholders should have a say in what intellectual property is divulged to any outside interest, including the government and the ACLU. - raccettura, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This has a lot to do with eminent domain as well...
it's just digital, rather than physical property on a map.
Rather than pay google for the data (which is an asset of Google Inc.) they use the court system to force free access to the data.
This is really no different than eminent domain. Don't be suprised if that supreme court case comes into play at some point in the future. - blhack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0so....google, just ship yourselvese oversees. I mean, honestly...the backbones across the atlantic are fat enough.
Really...its not like your a brick and mortar business....like you need to stay in a single store to keep your business...nobody would even know it if you just moved across the pond.
JUST DO IT! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This is the crazy, is no way they could nkows who on ther computer!@
Reducilous, abosluelt insanity!----------- - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"less government regulation" folks.
but it's "for the children" - Abx0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The US Government has no right to demand the search records from Google. I'm getting tired of this insanely corrupted government. Google better not ever give in.
- scheper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I wish Google was as defensive in complying with the demands of China. Google, do the right thing, don't be evil!"
Google has no business telling China what is right or wrong. They are a guest there, it is not up to them to try and change existing laws over there. I think they did the right thing. - knoppy44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=USA+Government&word2=Google
google wins!! - alphaterminus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"All your pixels are belong to us"
- racerxyz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I wish Google was as defensive in complying with the demands of China. Google, do the right thing, don't be evil!
- Sithseth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I love how everyone will jump on board to be anti-government on the Internet. But, everyone would be damned to get off the comfy computer chairs and go outside to protest. This is democracy people, if you don't like something, protest it. Jeesh.
- theratdotus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0time to create a search engine that doesnt block information
- TuxFan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A stats prof is hired to evaluate the search results? Is the gov trying to get the methodlogy behind each search engine? What is going on? I thought Republicans would sacrifice America for business instead of stealing from them.
- badminus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The US Govt will just force all their precious, high revenue (ie, high tax) IT companies offshore. Hey Google, it's sunny in Havana too!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0ONLY THE STUPID WOULD AGREE WITH SUCH MOVE BY THE GOVERNMENT!
- Chas555, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is a blatant attack on civil liberties. When has the Bush administration been honest about what it is doing. If you have read the news, you would notice that there has been a barrage of legal action in regards to emails, wire-tapping and cell phone tracking. Making it legal for the government to monitor what you do. This isn’t about pornography at all. It is a front for the real purpose of gathering information. Remember information is power.
So now the Bush administration wants to know what you look at or how good filters work, seems very lame to me. Worry about the mess over-sea's, worry about your oil. Leave us alone. - multifaceted, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I wish Google was as defensive in complying with the demands of China."
I agree why is it they are so willing to bend over for China but when the government of the country the are in asks them for something they won't give an inch. Hypocrites. - Chakz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Google, you have an open invitation to Canada.
- LordofChaosIori, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Um... seriously, how would they know WHO searched for it? Especially in public places? I'm behind Google 100% :)
- capndan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think every Digg user should go to Google right now and start searching for things like C4, Al-Kaida, Terrorism, etc. etc. just to screw with the records.
- battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"who do they think they are bully into google that way, for shame the4y have.
Bad goverment made bad world it is now, bgad!
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THERE IS NO ***** WAY THAT U R A US CITIZEN. GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY, U A-HOLE! - Chas555, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0motionblur ... I concur ... Its the parents responsibility
- joshthejest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't feel that children seeing pornography is going to be prevented by the changing of the search engines or anything along those lines. The only way to prevent them seeing pornography is to blindfold them wherever they go and don't allow them to use the net. If a child wants to see pornography they will find another way. Curiosity in a child will lead to many things, and if they have to find ways around the blocks they will.
- Warpling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0so they're trying to go after kids typing in a word in google images? whats wrong with that? ^ _^ But seriously, the gov is being a little way to intrusive.
- starmanjones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0so i guess they want google to go to some other country or island or outpost in the ocean way from this stuff designed to kill google. i don't understand how this regime in the whitehouse can call themselves small government advocates. they don't want small government. they want government to leave business alone to exploit people in anyway possible... and they want control everything else.
personally, i block sites and keywords at my router so my kids don't see it. whats so hard about that? i also gotta say that i never just "run into" porn sites. but i use Macs and we don't get all those pop ups and other malware driven crap. - elf586, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0""I wish Google was as defensive in complying with the demands of China."
I agree why is it they are so willing to bend over for China but when the government of the country the are in asks them for something they won't give an inch. Hypocrites."
the first thing that you have to know is that china has its own filter on the internet preventing people from finding anything on the internet that the government thinks the people should not see or that they dont want them to see...inside this filter there is no good search engine to get to at least 50% of the information that they actually have access to...this means that the people of china could not easily get information....
what google has done is provide a search engine that can get to 100% of the information that is within this filter...allowing the people of china easier access to all the information that the government has deemed ok for them to see...
think of this as a stepping stone....google is later going to try and nudge the chinese government to allow more information through...
they have stated that this was a hard desision for them to make and that they are doing this for the good of globalized information...
they have had a press release stating this and unfortunatly i dont have the link....yes they are cooperating in the censorship of china RIGHT NOW, but later they are going to push the chinese government to take down their giant filter.... - synotec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yes, they will....
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Did anyone even read the ***** article? The ACLU is saying that it will have to seek the same subpoena if the Justice Dept is successful against Google because it wants to shoot DOWN the ridiculous fundy porn law. Hell, Google should just give them the information.
- Arcotik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"raccettura" - You realize Bush can't run again, right? Dolt.
- Chas555, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
This was not a request. It was a manditory legal action taken against companies that need to spend money and time to defend the U.S. people. Isn't odd that our own money is being used against us. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0SUBPEONA GEORGE BUSH & DICK HALLIBURTON!
- mabhatter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"raccettura" - You realize Bush can't run again, right? Dolt.....
Ohh. just wait for it... you know he'll be arguing the "war" on terror isn't finished and he should get another term... .or worse. Chaney will run and be a "puppet" president for Bush.
just a thought... - Matteu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Chompy
"Did anyone even read the ***** article? The ACLU is saying that it will have to seek the same subpoena if the Justice Dept is successful against Google because it wants to shoot DOWN the ridiculous fundy porn law. Hell, Google should just give them the information."
DID YOU even read the effing article?
The ACLU doesn't even WANT to see the information. But if the Gov't does, they have 'little choice.' Yeah, Google should just give them information. HAH. Glad you don't mind giving up your rights at the moment. - thewhitefedora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I praise Google for standing up against the government and sticking to their policies
- Drahknon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm struggling to figure out how they can issue a subpoena at all in this case. This is like forcing every third person on your block to testify to their tv viewing habits to show that most people watch X number of sitcoms per week.
- lightcycler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Some senator should ask them "do you feel ashamed, helping a government with a questionable human rights record?"...
- TrulyNameless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0the first one was *****
anyone can start a site for free and stick some porn pics on there and a filter won't work
and there are so many ways of passing filters that it's pretty obvious filters aren't perfect
if this keeps up i think i'll abandon the main search engines :| - jo42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is why I've been searching on "Bush Monkey Faces" at least 2-3 times a day in Web, Images, Groups and News...
- Drahknon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Some senator should ask them "do you feel ashamed, helping a government with a questionable human rights record?"
I wonder why any Senator would, considering our government is quite good friends with China, themselves. Congress has, for years, approved China's "most favored nation" status. - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0For those who are thinking the same argument as bvz2000, it isa completely different animal.
(at least in Google's case).
A government asks them to block specific content, and if by there laws has the right to do so...
Google has to comply to stay within those laws. Google does the exact same thing by US laws
when someone asks them to block content in violation of the DMCA or in the interests of National
Security. Yahoo and Ebay block certain content in thier auctions (Nazi periphrenalia) at the request
of countries where such items are illegal.
What the DOJ is trying to do is considered a blanket search, without either looking for specific evidence
of criminal activity, or specifying a person or persons under investigation, which is an illegal search
under the Constitution IIRC.
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