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- notnoisy, on 10/12/2007, -22/+106In yet other news, flaws are found in just about every piece of software.
- Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -14/+48@meez:
People care because in the time it took to develop Vista (and with less money and manpower), other companies have released and de-bugged and updated/patched software through multiple versions. People care because there is no compelling reason to upgrade to Vista and to put on all the shackles of Microsoft's DRM except for the promise of greater security and reliability, but so far, things look like they will remain as they always have, and Microsoft's upgrade drive is just another gravy train for them that isn't even really going to be worth it in the end. - luxx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24The sad thing is that this isn't a shock. Maybe we are all getting a little to comfortable with viruses and malware?
- snurfle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18My house had two flaws.
But we finished the attic and turned it into another 2 bedrooms, so it has three flaws now.
But that's another story. - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -10/+24Windows Vista: It's More Secure, We Promise
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| Well, allow me to take a moment to remind everyone of something that
| you might not remember - XP was also touted as being ultra secure.
| Seriously, can anyone honestly look themselves in the mirror and say
| this is the gospel truth? You have got to be kidding me. Similar to
| XP, Microsoft promises to have the most secure Windows version to date
| yet again.
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http://www.osweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2357&Itemid=449 - OmegaNine, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17@ meez
We dont trust our Critical systems to Windows, most companies don't. So trust me when i say, if Apache or MySQL has a flaw, people normally care much more than if Windows has a flaw. It's just that Apache or MySQL is normally fixed the day the flaw is found. - tyho, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I'm with masgrada on this. This isn't news. News would be: "No Flaws Found In Windows Vista"
- cheez, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18no way!
- jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10The more Vista flaws the better. This simply is not a problem because most corporations won't adopt it for years. With any luck, it will be a disaster and people will finally wake up and demand better.
- sissipher, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17and this is a shock?
- modestgeek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11It was only a matter of time really. But let's be honest here; there are floors in every piece of software, regardless of the company who wrote it. Especially when it isn't even fully available yet.
- ockabewis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11How does something like this make it to the front page of Digg? Does anybody actually expect ANY OS developer (or ANY software developer for that matter) to deliver a completely bug free, totally secure OS or application? Impossible! Yet, articles like this run rampant because it comes from Microsoft. What I find interesting is that I just recently purchased my first Mac just to see what the hype is all about and have received quite a number of security fixes in the couple of months I've had it. (What's the big deal with Macs anyways? It's just another OS as far as I can tell, and it does the same thing my Windows XP, Windows Vista, SUSE Linux, and Ubuntu Linux boxes do. Don't get me wrong - there's nothing wrong with it, but I don't see anything that it does better than my other boxes.)
The bottom line is that everything is as insecure as the person behind the keyboard. No offense, but:
1. Patch your systems (all OSes have frequent security updates; yes, UNIX, Linux, Mac OS X, too!)
2. Keep your AV clients up to date (primarily Windows because that is what most viruses are written to attack)
3. Be very cautious when opening email attachments (see #2)
4. Don't download and open zip files from malware sites and expect them to be virus free
From what I can tell, Windows Vista has a lot more security features built in. I think that Microsoft has done well with this and is showing an increased interest in quickly patching issues that come up.
**Finally - if you truly want to secure the computers on your network, start learning how to do more with your router. Properly configured routers are your first line of defense against the majority of attacks out there. - Cytranic, on 10/12/2007, -19/+26People are going to be suprised how buggy Vista is when they use it for a good solid 3 months. I've been using Vista in my own machine at work, and its just horrible. Besides the compatibility problems, alot of things are buggy. For example, if you RDP into VIsta and move some windows around on the screen the whole GUI crashes within RDP. If you logout and try to reset the connection you cant. RDP is crashed and only a restart will fix the problem.
This is just one annoying problem I see with Vista, but there are countless others I dont care to explain here. - spillz, on 10/12/2007, -12/+18The headline made me laugh out loud.
I wouldn't consider it "news." - crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7how did you miss that?
i look at my keyboard and the A & W keys are on the other side. - 2shae, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Sorry but how can a company that has billions of dollars make OS's that are so full of flaws!!
- MacLiberal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Of course Vista is secure, don't you remember how XP was the most secure operating system ever? MS would never lie would they?
- aeoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@mictester,
I agree with you, except I don't think it's "game over" for Microsoft (unfortunately). Why not yet? Because there needs to be a credible alternative. OS X is not a 100% alternative yet (for example the JVM builds on OS X are lagging behind the official builds put out by Sun; you can't play many games on OS X; OS X has it's own DRM'ness; Apple as a company is hostile to true openness as much as Microsoft, etc.).
Linux has the best chance to become a real alternative, but it needs more polish at the distribution end (the Linux kernel itself is more than fine) and it needs to be better supported by hardware vendors. - leckie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Crisis of confidence? What were they expecting a piece of software so solid no hacker would ever be able to crack or find a flaw. The fact remains no matter what there are thousands of people out there actively trying as hard as they can to find flaws. People can bash Microsoft all they want but its not easy supplying an Operating system as widely used as the windows platform is. I mean its not like when these bugs are found Microsoft sit back and do nothing they actively update their software to combat holes and issues. I'm not saying that they don't have their issues and downfalls but all I don't think they are this demon company out to control the world like some people make them out to be.
- tholder, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7It's not very suprising, I'm sure they'll deal with these issues fairly quickly though....
My big concern with Vista is that I can't quite work out what it does for me that XP doesn't. Perhaps I'm not using it right :) If it came standard on a new computer I wouldn't be too bothered, but if had to actually pay to upgrade I'd be very upset. Although... having said that, I can see through stuff now. - monkeyboy8686, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think this wins the prize for Most Obviously Apparent Title :-)
- GliTCH82, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10No, Microsoft's potential flaws are merely researched more than the others.
- BillGod, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12Typical DIGG post and comments. Mod Meeks down for suggesting that no one cares unless its microsoft. Then make 30 posts under his ripping on microsoft. What you people dont seem to get is that EVERY software has flaws. No one seems to get how hard it is to write a complete OS. If it was easy everyone would do it. LINDOWS anyone?? and it was even based off a linux kernel. There is a reason there are only 2 true operating systems out there. Windows and Unix. (linux is based of unix and so is Mac OSX so I am not counting either of those.) It's not an easy process and takes lots of time and $ to make one. Even more impossible to make one 100% flaw free. I know people are going to mod me down saying that its because Microsoft has sooooooooo many flaws in all of thier software. before you mod me down think of this. Who finds the flaws? I bet 90% of flaws are found by hackers or ex-hackers like most of the security companies. Now answer this one. Do you think they would have found all those flaws if the world was turned the other way and 97% of the world ran Mac OSX and 3% ran windows. I dont think so. We would be having this same conversation but only about the mac. To poke at microsoft is just as trendy as walking down the street with your i-pod in your pocket listening to Lindsay Lohan.
- Mk3890, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Wow! a security flaw in ANY piece of software.
- sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3...And Microsoft dug it's own grave when it called Vista its most secure OS yet...
- SniperSlap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2OS structure? What is this guy talking about?
- SniperSlap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2More and more, it seems evident that perhaps Vista was never a ground up rewrite. That the term "rewrite" is somehow being slipped inconspiculously in the hopes that people don't realize they don't intend it in it's truest sense.
More and more, I know - Vista is the next Windows ME. - Hydraulix, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11As much as I dislike Microsoft and wished they died a slow, painful death. I'm tired of hearing about flaws in vista or flaws in XP. There's flaws in every bit of software. Yes, Microsoft usually has more then the others. But, the horse has been beaten to death.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What Id like to know is, who are the "researchers"? I mean, who pays someone to do nothing but try to break Microsoft's software. Isn't there half a billion people out there who do it routinely for free?
- omega86yu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3the thing that crossed my mind when I read this news headline was "well DUH!"
- modestgeek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Ooops, my mistake. Yes that should have been FLAWS not FLOORS.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10Vista has more holes than a swiss cheese - I found several vulnerabilities within hours of installing it. It's a DRM-laden mess, and breaks compatability with most earlier Microsoft products.
Microsoft have no proper programmers left - just point-and-click idiots that wouldn't know source code if they saw it. All the real programmers (including me) left years ago, and Microsoft can't get anyone really credible to work for them any more. The marketing department took over control of the company when Win2000 was released. That was the beginning of the end...
Microsoft is virtually dead - it just hasn't stopped twitching yet.
Game Over, Microsoft - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No Way!!!
Flaws in a Microsoft OS, CAN IT BE!!?!?! - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7> What does Vista do that XP doesn't, that can't be added in a SP?
Better seperation of the Kernel, Userspace, and graphical interface.
Better support for 64-bit systems
Better support for multi-core systems
Better security and seperation of code in active memory
Full Drive encryption
DirectX 10
- spritom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3My friend's house in Boston has two "flaws"
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7No. Microsoft are mostly aware of what's wrong with their products, but their marketing department demands that the product is released long before is has been effectively tested. Vista actually took about 6 months to throw together. They abandoned all the clever stuff (like Win FS) having spent countless millions developing all these dead-end technologies, and threw together a "new" product.
Vista's just a re-skinned XP with more nag boxes and lots of DRM crap embedded into it. Don't let the Microsoft hype-monkeys tell you any different. It's just the same rubbish in a new wrapper.
Game Over, Microsoft - clyde2801, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Microsoft Windows Vista:
Your Potential (for exploitation), Our Passion (for Profits). - Splitt3rxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1a new OS has flaws? NO WAI! R U SURE?
- EvolvedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3This is a red letter day..
- ouorama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We're talking 1 potentially new remote exploit in IE7 that doesn't bypass Protected Mode which sets IE7 as a restricted user. Firefox 2 on the other hand has already posted 8 CRITICAL patches for remotely exploitable arbitrary code execution flaws! http://secunia.com/advisories/23282/. Yet a privilege escalation exploit in Vista and potential IE7 flaw makes the news and the 8 remote exploits in Firefox 2 doesn't. What's wrong with this picture?
- kickarse, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Captain Obvious strikes again!!!
- lopla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, we just got out of an emergency meeting. We were on a trainB Vista rollout to 16,000 desktops that has now been canceled until further notice. UAT testing has been a total failure mainly with stability and performance issues, we've also hacked several desktops using recent simple exploits. We are now moving forward with renewed interest into Linux. I'm a Linux/OSX/MSFT guy myself so am not worried but all of our MCSE's are practically in tears. A comment made near the meeting stated Vista is Windows ME Reloaded. I think this is truly the end days for Microsoft, and don't even get me started on the DRM..
- MrViklund, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Dupes invading Digg.
- lpcustom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In other news, Britney Spears "Oops I did it again"
I'm sorry did you say something about flaws in Windows? I wasn't paying attention. - zaneyhaney54, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Wow! a security flaw in a piece of Microsoft software. This is something new.
- Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3flaws?
- jvicinanza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Finally - if you truly want to secure the computers on your network... get a Mac.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Perfect time for hackers to prove Microsoft wrong and further affect their market.
- Llanowar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Better call Ripley!!!
Flaws in a Microsoft product... - wtf00, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I think ms was too focus on WGA and WGA and DRM than than actual security flaws to be found in Vista 4 year should have been enough for them to at least code there damn os correctly.. oh well.. get ready for major hotfix.. I wonder if going to beat XP for is money.
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