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First Pirated HD-DVD is loose

arstechnica.com — It was only a matter of time. Sadly, the recording and film industry will never learn and will keep touting the future generations of DRM as "THE" thing that will keep their content "secure." *Breeeech* Excuse me.

Who dugg this? Made popular Jan 16, 2007

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  • texx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+144In a related story the MPAA releases an updated version of their newest unbreakable DRM.

    An industry spokesman stated:
    "We are absolutely so confident in this latest unbreakable scheme that I have been authorized to provide the first few bytes of the decryption key. It is A=1, B=2, C=3. Even though we are absolutely sure that this key can never possibly be broken, this is all I am authorized to say." He went on to say how the next criminals the MPAA would be concentrating it's efforts on were people who had vehicles equipped with DVD players who's screens can be seen by other motorists. "We cannot allow this kind of public display of our legally copyrighted material to continue." And that the MPAA would pursue these criminals "to the furthest extent allowed by the existing and new laws we...er I mean our generous representatives will enact to protect the American consumer."
  • Sixcolors, on 10/12/2007, -1/+94Incredible! That's the same combination I use on my luggage!
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+54Whats that sound? Its the sound of HD-DVD just winning the format war.

  • sagenumen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+46This is awesome. When are content providers going to learn that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

    Instead of going against technology trends, they should be working with them.
  • BillGod, on 10/12/2007, -5/+41Rule #1 of fight club is NEVER TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB
  • Taomyn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+38You can't stop the signal......
  • N00F, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35I have to laugh. Every time a new encryption scheme is created, it's hacked and broken within a month or so, after its release. I laugh at the ignorance of the companies making these encryption schemes, wasting millions of dollars developing useless software. What I'm getting at is the fact that a company employs tens, upon hundreds of employees to research and create their fantastic encryption algorithms. Once the new technology is released upon the world, the hacker community team together (I've never seen a tighter knit community) and using their numbers of THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of hacker people, they totally trash the new encryption scheme and lay it to waste. If man can make it, man can break it.

    Hundreds of employees against thousands of people who are enthusiastic about their goals? The companies cannot win.
  • skyhighrockets, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Serenity_First_HD_DVD_Movie_Leaked_Onto_BitTorrent
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22@nirav72

    You haven't been keeping track for very long, have you? By my count, the MPAA is losing by about 78, at the moment.
  • windwaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22I got banned for linking to pirate bay once, so I doubt the digg nazis will be comfortable with these links (sadly).
  • ray901, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21"At least one of the sites that vaga222 just mentioned has a rule in effect to ban any member that mentions their site in a public forum."

    lol That is funny, ironic and stupid all at the same time. The set up a site to illegally copy and distribute other peoples stuff (and I dont care one way or another about it) and then they get all pissy if someone mentions their site on the internet.

    Maybe they should attach some kind of 'discussion DRM' to their site.....

  • Hale, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22It's one of the most desired because it is so good.
  • diggfinity, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21To MPAA:
    Keep firing, *****!
  • naffets, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25Seriously WHY on earth have they ripped serenity, of all films, this is probably one that deserves funds.

    I realize the last nail may have been put in the coffin ages ago for Joss Whedons Sci-Fi series, but jesus christ this takes the biscuit :(
    Pisses me off :(
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15No matter what they do to "protect" their stuff, someone will find a way to copy it.
  • Vlatro, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17I'll stick with my 800MB DivX files. HD right now is way over-rated for most movies available. There are only a few I feel necessitate the improved quality enough to justify the increased rip or download time.

    I'm still waiting to see a post with the re-rerelease remastered HD extended length directors cut of the original StarWars trilogy pop up on TPB with a 300GB file size and 1 seeder. The whole net slams to a stop as all available bandwidth is consumed by millions trying to see grainy 1970's video in HD. Congress would probably institute their new "Department of Homeland Plumbing" to unclog all the ***** from out nation's Internet tubes.
  • hobbers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Why would there be a +1 and a -1. It's one or the other. Otherwise, you have a difference of 2, meaning that 2 scores were made. This would be like a soccer game tied at 3 - 3 and one team scores a goal so the score is now 4 - 2. It just doesn't make sense.
  • michaelg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11humperdeath: You're dumb as a stick, sir. How can anyone denying your outlandish claim be the conspiracy theorist?
  • marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Technically, it's not links until they're clickable.
  • vaga222, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15www.hdbits.com or www.bit-hdtv.com or usenet for the HD-DVD rips

    both the torrent sites are private atm but both have acounts pruned all the time.
  • nOOBert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9If it can be read, it can be cracked.

    I will get flamed for this but refer to this slashdot story..
    http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/16/0244242
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I don't think I have the time of patience to download a 19.6 GB file! Home networks (aka American Internet (aka The Comcast Monopoly)) don't have the backbone to support this, even corporate intranets would be pushed. I think the HD-DVD's will be available for pirating, but until the internal network structure can support it, it will not be worth the effort to download. On the other hand, now that this available, whats stopping someone from renting the HD-DVDs for $5 from a movie store and pirating it?
  • ElFredo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Funny, ORLY is the name of Paris' second largest airport.
  • portis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12So we need a tighter pirated version, instead of the loose one?
  • jasper976, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7i'm pretty positive everything you just said was said about standard dvd's
  • GonadHunter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I like to think of DRM as a game, with every new format or encryption begins a new round of Cracking for Freedom tm
  • Hale, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7At least one of the sites that vaga222 just mentioned has a rule in effect to ban any member that mentions their site in a public forum. Bad news for vaga222 if one account can be connected to the other.
  • peanut97651, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7http://thepiratebay.org/search.php?q=hd-dvd
  • ramsinks.com, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6** heads to PirateBay for more nfo **
  • hobbers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It's fun? Like the thrill of the hunt?
  • Sp0rAdiC, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I know that the HD-DVD porn "Pirates" was on bittorrent a while ago. Was that not truly pirated?
  • jonathono2000, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Spaceballs quote = Funniest thing I have ever read on this site.

    Thanks for making me smile.
  • catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Why? So you can get movies and music without paying? I may or may not download copyrighted content but I at least realize that it is not your right to copy people's work. Do you even know what a right is?
  • bluering, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Just a theory, but I would say it has more to do with people not wanting to drop the money on the player. I too loved firefly and would buy it in a high res format I could play on my existing equipment (Home theater PC). $20 for an HD copy. Sure I will pay that.

    $600-$1000 for a gamble on the player format that may not survive. Not so much.
  • boardo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@trc0 - I believe the poster was referring to incorporating the idea of allowing people to have copies of their movies. A large portion of the community doesn't believe in stealing from the movie studios. We just want to be able to make a backup copy in case of scratched discs or have another copy to travel with - ie) one encoded with divx or something similar.

    I remember hearing about one group adding in a "portable" version of the movie included with their Blu-ray or HD-DVD disks. Anyone have a link?
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Seagate is for porn.
  • digitalrhino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@vlatro
    "'m still waiting to see a post with the re-rerelease remastered HD extended length directors cut of the original StarWars trilogy pop up on TPB with a 300GB file size and 1 seeder. The whole net slams to a stop as all available bandwidth is consumed by millions trying to see grainy 1970's video in HD."

    It was shot on film, not video, any old movie that we still have the original prints or negs of can just be scanned in at HD res or higher. When they do film restorations these days they have started scanning in at 4k size (4096 x 2160 pixels) to future proof them a bit. So any old movie they shot on film will in fact look much better on HD.
  • honkimon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Pirates was released in the WMV-HD format, not hd-dvd or blu-ray
  • Sentinel88, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8umm, have you ever heard of natural unemployment? The US is more or less at Full Employment. The 4.3% comes almost completely from people who are moving around jobs, etc. The amount of people in the US who can't get jobs is negligible. If you don't like the jobs you can get, that's a different story...
  • Hale, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I got Serenity on HD-DVD from Amazon.com for $19.99, the same price I paid for Firefly on DVD from Amazon.com about a year ago.
  • Hale, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The keys are just being pulled from memory after the hd-dvd player software uses them to access the disc. To run the backup program all you need is a volume or title key and a SHA1 hash of a file on the disc. The program only implements the AACS algorithm, anyone can do that. Finding the keys is the hard part. This doesn't mean HD-DVD is any less secure than Blu-Ray, Blu-Ray uses the same encryption. There just aren't enough Blu-Ray drives in the market for its program to have been written yet.
  • hobbers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4A consistent 4 MB/sec? What service are you using?
  • nirav72, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Score - Consumer = +1 , MPAA = -1

  • Visk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"BLUERAY = SONY = which means DRM = ROOT KITS = CRAP = SONY SUCKS -"

    Thanks for pointing out your skills in arithmetic, Capt. *****
  • PaperMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5To add a Northern perspective, these producers are actually in violation of our rights as Canadian citizens. Under Canadian Copyright Law we are _legally_ entitled to up to two copies of anything we buy. One for archival purposes and one in a different format i.e. I buy an LP (while I'm sure half of you have no idea what I'm talking about now, this is the general system for which the laws were being applied) take it home and record a copy on tape so that I can listen to it in my car. Well listening to the record I just bought on a conventional record player is going to cause damage to the record (eventually) so I am permitted a second copy so that when my record has crapped out from being played too much I can break out my archival tape and not be forced to re-buy the album I have already paid for. And that doesn't even get into the whole Sony root kit debacle or any of that nonsense.
    The bottom line is that the copy protection exists because it's not generally people who are trying to make sure their kids don't kill the original, its people who are copying someone else's intellectual property and distributing it for gain (because not everyone engaged in P2P connections are leeching) they trade for other films or songs or images they don't have.... The system exists as it is to stop the ***** and it ends up infringing on the rights of the rest of us.
  • Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Yeah. We get signal, no matter what happen.

    I dare say that even if the MPAA was to set up us the bomb, we would still get signal.

    Now if you'll excuse me, I have some 'Zig' to move.
  • Beamerboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I just read this on a UK forum:

    "Ive just ordered one of these as my order from virgin megastores was cancelled.

    I asked virgin why it was cancelled and they said that their supply says that the manufacturer has withdrawn this from the market and its discontinued. Anyone know anything about this?"

    It was regarding the XBox 360 HD DVD drive, which can be made to work with a regular PC.

    If there is any truth in this and the retailer was not just talking *****, it would be interesting to find out if the reason for it was anything to do with the first HD DVD Rip appearing on p2p last weekend?

    I will keep my ear to the ground.
  • ginrummy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You have no chance to survive, make your time.
  • Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Superman Returns = 30.4GB.

    2 hour download, but no way for me to burn it just yet...

    Anyway, HD-DVD ftw imho, unless someone starts offering BR downloads to balance things. (if they haven't already)
  • 4g1vn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Here is an idea:
    1) Get a good job
    2) Get a paycheck
    3) Buy your movie/game/music of choice
    4) DRM problem solved.

    If people would stop stealing this would be a non-issue. You think this is good for Toshiba? I disagree, if anything the studios are going to sign with the (temporary) uncracked blu-ray. Bump for Sony. To go from HD-DVD cracked to PORN is just freaking sad. I'm ashamed to be human after reading some of the comments by digg users.
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