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- inactive, on 07/15/2009, -0/+36$250,000? Yeah, that'll fly under the radar. Dumb ass. In jail, he's going to have to watch cable.
- TrevorPace, on 07/16/2009, -0/+25As an electrical engineering student I thought the video was really coo, but is it just me or does that guy seem hung over or something.
- kentifer, on 07/16/2009, -0/+19As an electrical engineering student, you should know engineers like to partake in parties.
- Mankind121, on 07/16/2009, -0/+18Given that its been child's play to basically steal DishNet for the past decade, I'm surprised it took them this long to get busted. This guy supposedly paid for Nagravision 2 to be cracked too, also using the same microscope method.
- joeanon, on 07/16/2009, -0/+17Sat hacking is actually several levels up on the geek ladder vs simple file sharing.
- NavS, on 07/16/2009, -0/+15I will pay any price to not have to pay for this... hmn...
- Renian, on 07/16/2009, -1/+1409 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
- TheMachine1, on 07/16/2009, -0/+13That video below the article is awesome.
- zbeast, on 07/16/2009, -1/+12So whats the deal, you can't offer someone money for engineering work.
I use to card both direct tv and disk back it the day.. but now who cares.
P2P and Torrents have replaced all that hassle. - shniper, on 07/16/2009, -0/+9keys do nothing without bins...
- inactive, on 07/16/2009, -1/+10oh, *****, someone found my WEP key
- tacojohn48, on 07/16/2009, -0/+8I remember doing all this back in the day. It kind of sucks you in slowly. At first you have a buddy who is programming your card for a fee; then you buy a card programmer. Then you eventually ended up with an emulator running on a pc. Watching the emulator do its thing the first time was almost as cool as all the channels you were pirating. For those who haven't seen it, it looks kind of like on The Matrix when they are looking at the matrix on the display screens.
- DirtyVicar, on 07/16/2009, -1/+8That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage!
- squeky, on 07/16/2009, -0/+7Dish descrambling is a hobby in itself. Just another way to get whatever content you want, whenever.
- inactive, on 07/16/2009, -1/+8As a pigeon, I thought the idea was pretty coo too.
- Gman1223, on 07/16/2009, -0/+6Before it went down you could steal over 1000 channels, including porn and payperview. It was a pretty sweet deal.
- AngelBunny, on 07/16/2009, -0/+6He isn't charged for the engineering. The person (or rather company) offering the money is charged for conspiracy.
Also, i could be wrong but the fed is only involved because the deal went over $50k and it was noticed because it was larger than 100k. If he would of been like, 'I'll pay you $50k a year for the next 5 years under the table and quiet.' then he probably wouldn't of been caught. - bdorry, on 07/16/2009, -1/+7Ok dad
- xpinchx, on 07/16/2009, -0/+6Watch that video. I wish I paid attention in my chemistry labs...
- fuxxx, on 07/16/2009, -0/+5@razrielle
Some people always say this, but there are a lot of encryption methods around that havent been cracked.
Irdeto 2 hasn't been cracked, despite being around for a while now and very wide usage. - pyrogyro, on 07/16/2009, -0/+5How the hell is this illegal??? Why dont we also throw the person who made jailbreak in jail...
- divad1978, on 07/16/2009, -1/+6Shouldn't be illegal in my opinion. There are far worse crimes happening in this country.
- squeky, on 07/16/2009, -0/+5Dish went to all Nagra 3 last month. Europe has been on Nagra 3 for a while.
- joeanon, on 07/16/2009, -0/+4You mean they would like to partake, if they could just engineer themselves some invitations.
- cwgannon, on 07/16/2009, -0/+3Here's a consensus-based recap:
Yes, the title is ambiguous. Yes, it is acceptable for you to point this out. No, it is not acceptable to bury the entire story for this reason. - razrielle, on 07/16/2009, -1/+4If there is ever an encryption method made, it will be cracked
- joeanon, on 07/16/2009, -1/+4Yea right it's hard to compare p2p to 100+ channels and 'real time' news.
- smj887, on 07/16/2009, -0/+3As a student majoring in something other than electrical engineering, I feel out of place.
- pen25, on 07/16/2009, -0/+3a guy who goes by the nik fred raud is allegedly the informant. this is a long time coming. robert ward was busted before before cutting a deal with the local authorities for hacking dtv cards. he has over 53 convictions for drug theft and fraud charges. kwak never craked or hacked the n2 encryption it was brought over free from the euro groups and was incorporated into the fta recivers. the current fta recivers will not work with the newest modulation. only one thing can do it and it aint a stb without a add on board. good luck Robert. glad to see your claim of "it wasnt me" is working for ya
- kh99, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2Jung Kwak? He should have been a doctor.
- DeadFox1, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2please anyone? I BEG of you.. I need a bin... anyone?
- pen25, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2the key is only part of it. map calls timers as well as demodulation also play a major part of it. since the fta boxes out there does not support the new modulation of dish they are door stops without added hardware which means new tuners
- pen25, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2reason for no crack or hack is cause the use of the encryption is minimal and not wanted or needed by most. the money is in sky dtv bell/echo dtv has been rumored to be hacked a long time ago but since dish was hacked to easily the people who had it felt no need to release it and anything released dtv would be all over them. on top of that its easier for dtv to swap cards then it is for dish.
- Brentnauer, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2As an electrical engineering student, I resent your implication.
- aps234, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2For those of you who don't understand why that key is significant...
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2007/02/the_new_hdd ...
http://digg.com/tech_news/Digg_This:_09-f9-11-02-9 ... - dippyskoodlez, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2Agree, AWESOME video.
- drew101, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2there isn't the market yet, the company who breaks the code will have an edge on all others until the "fix" is fully disseminated amogst the other box makers. Being the first company to break the code will mean increased sales to users, as most users will own several boxes to reduce the frequency lost viewing, and a cutting edge producer we see a dramatic up tic in his or her sales. It's not just a security thing...it's marketing.
- yocouchdigga, on 07/16/2009, -1/+2As an electrical engineering student, I thought I should leave a comment in this thread.
- drew101, on 07/16/2009, -0/+1lol, junky shuffle rubbing his arm, feet itching.
- Hello1024, on 07/16/2009, -0/+1The particular encryption method used by satellite TV can never be theoretically secure. I mean, they are distributing an encrypted signal, and viewing cards to decrypt it. They have no idea who might do what to the viewing cards, so anything stored in them can be considered "public knowledge", after someone has taken one apart like this. Since that card must contain all the information required to decrypt the signal, that means using the information contained in one, anyone can decrypt as many signals as he/she likes.
The only exception to this is systems that have a feedback system (eg. a phone line), and there the key can be given over the phone line every few hours - that way if the key gets "leaked" to anyone else, their viewing will be limited to just a matter of hours. - drew101, on 07/16/2009, -0/+1because the Jailbreak increased sales of the IPhone to users of other networks Apple loves it, Providers of service loose nothing their it's just another phone that requires more "bandwidth" and will cost more to use. Win,win.
- Hello1024, on 07/16/2009, -1/+2The video was VERY good, and very impressive in detail for a journalistic article.
The process isn't as quick and simple as the video makes out, particularly on chips that are designed to be hard to reverse engineer like smart cards. For example, if this were easy, one could get the pin number of a credit card from the card without the "three tries" limit, and clone the card.
The chip layout itself is often hard to understand. No modern chips are laid out by hand anymore, since it's generally much cheaper and easier to use a computer program to "compile" the chip. The computer converts a special kind of programming language called a "Hardware description Language", which describes all the functionality of the chip, into an actual chip design (ie. where do all the wires and transistors go). This conversion process will usually leave what looks more like a mess, and make it very hard to identify which wires are used for which things. For those of you who've ever tried hacking a computer program it's like looking at the assembly code to understand what the program does - you can easily understand small bits of it, but the whole thing is just incomprehensible.
The next "challenge" is how to probe the wires you want to read. In this case, he removes one layer of the chip to access the wire he wants to read, but in many cases this removal will remove something required for the chip to work, and therefore even though you now have access to the insides of the chip, you can't operate it to see how it works. Just having the design without being to operate the chip is usually no good, because pretty much all of these types of devices have some kind of memory (the EPROM, mentioned in the article). This memory is usually used to store something vital to the way the encryption works, such as the encryption key, or a program or algorithm which runs on a tiny special purpose processor do do encryption\decryption and\or other tasks the card needs to perform. If, when disassembling the chip to get to the part you want, you break it, there is no simple way to access the contents of this memory, so even with the full hardware design, you would never be able to simulate the chip in another device.
Hope the above is informative - Oliver Mattos - Hello1024, on 07/16/2009, -0/+1I agree - the video was VERY good, and very impressive in detail for a journalistic article.
The process isn't as quick and simple as the video makes out, particularly on chips that are designed to be hard to reverse engineer like smart cards. For example, if this were easy, one could get the pin number of a credit card from the card without the "three tries" limit, and clone the card.
The chip layout itself is often hard to understand. No modern chips are laid out by hand anymore, since it's generally much cheaper and easier to use a computer program to "compile" the chip. The computer converts a special kind of programming language called a "Hardware description Language", which describes all the functionality of the chip, into an actual chip design (ie. where do all the wires and transistors go). This conversion process will usually leave what looks more like a mess, and make it very hard to identify which wires are used for which things. For those of you who've ever tried hacking a computer program it's like looking at the assembly code to understand what the program does - you can easily understand small bits of it, but the whole thing is just incomprehensible.
The next "challenge" is how to probe the wires you want to read. In this case, he removes one layer of the chip to access the wire he wants to read, but in many cases this removal will remove something required for the chip to work, and therefore even though you now have access to the insides of the chip, you can't operate it to see how it works. Just having the design without being to operate the chip is usually no good, because pretty much all of these types of devices have some kind of memory (the EPROM, mentioned in the article). This memory is usually used to store something vital to the way the encryption works, such as the encryption key, or a program or algorithm which runs on a tiny special purpose processor do do encryption\decryption and\or other tasks the card needs to perform. If, when disassembling the chip to get to the part you want, you break it, there is no simple way to access the contents of this memory, so even with the full hardware design, you would never be able to simulate the chip in another device.
Hope the above is informative - Oliver Mattos - pen25, on 07/16/2009, -1/+2hrmm to the providers i am sure they beg to differ. to the DHS i am sure they think about there own encryption. and koreans decrypting things like pay sat services also means they can no log a stream and possibly look at other things such as military streams? least robert kept saying the koreans are doing the hacking in reality it was the Europeans that would crack the encryption allowing the US based coders an insite into how things worked. all fixes came from europe not from these importers of theses crappy boxes. if they were smart ol kwan would have sent the cards off to the manuf and had them do the reverse eng.
- pyrogyro, on 07/16/2009, -0/+1Good point now how about WEP and WPA encryption
- Ryokuchaa, on 07/16/2009, -2/+2Back to "onion peeling".
- pen25, on 07/16/2009, -2/+1hrmm your buried.
- trucanadian, on 07/16/2009, -8/+6Headline is ambiguous.
The headline indicates that the pirate could have been the one offering the award or he could have been the person who was offered the $250,000 reward.
Choose your title more carefully.
Buried - rxbudian, on 07/16/2009, -6/+1it would be cheaper just to get the damn service
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