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- yocouchdigga, on 11/04/2009, -5/+40Profoundly ridiculous. Who's running this ***** circus? Stop wasting our god damned tax dollars, if you need to press charges on people for screwing people/companies over, two words: WALL STREET
/FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU - stompk291, on 11/03/2009, -2/+29I'm not so sure this should be a crime. I need to get my hands on one to look into the matter a little more. .. ;-D
- AngelBunny, on 11/04/2009, -0/+241) If your curious check out his book, buy it, download a pdf, whatever. It has a legit history and reasoning for doing what he has done. It is purely anti corporate greed (and educational, of course).
2) Is it legal to sell modchips? He has been selling modified cable modems since before the DMCA was made. I'm not sure but I'm worried. I know what he is doing is legit but I also know the DMCA is absolute *****. Watch out! If you buy cars, modify their engines, then resell those vehicles, and if it is 'digital cars' (lol) then you're breaking the DMCA. Terrible comparison? *sigh* - mrcoderga, on 11/04/2009, -4/+26FBI was too busy jerking off Summer of 2001 to do anything truly useful for America except hunt Scarpas already sitting in jails, and then in 2009 they get busy on AMERICANS for what?
An FBI that is working for corporate greed and racket is not patriotism, it is treason when Americans are deprived of rights by government workers actions.
Piss on rights much? Keep in mind who you work for, FBI, that's my advice. - fr3nch, on 11/04/2009, -4/+24Maybe if the ISP would offer some real service and stop ***** everyone, people wouldn't mind paying for internet. $50/month for 3Meg down is *****. I know it, the cable company knows it, and also knows that I don't have any other options. Next time im in oregon I'll pick one up.
- Ymeg, on 11/04/2009, -2/+8ISPs don't run the networking market.
- AngelBunny, on 11/04/2009, -2/+8Actually I own modified modems. Not from him directly but I do. I don't do anything illegal with them.
- iXneonXi, on 11/04/2009, -2/+7"Users have also wielded the hacked modems to get free service by spoofing another customer’s MAC address — an attack that only works from a home that’s wired to the cable network but hasn’t had service officially activated."
They need to check their facts. It doesn't matter if the service isn't activated. You can spoof a MAC regardless. Also, when gathering MACs it's recommended to be on activated network. - newl, on 11/04/2009, -0/+5No hacking required. ODB2 is an open standard. Go for your life.
And replacing "one chip" is so 80s. These days we just program the ECM/PCM/BCM. - iXneonXi, on 11/04/2009, -1/+5@Newchap (and as a comment to AngelBunny) Yes, the book is great. I highly recommend people buy it as opposed to getting a PDF, as it supports the modding community (though a donation to your favorite group would probably be more productive). Copyrights aren't violated and encryption isn't broken by using a custom firmware. And having custom firmware installed usually makes modems better, regardless of what the user intends to do.
- Cerebron, on 11/04/2009, -0/+4If you started in DC, you'd fix half of Wall Street's issues.
- infinitus64, on 11/04/2009, -1/+4sure but I'll have to do that tomorry. How getting rid of isp's and why don't they behave like a real utility with building infrastructure that they were paid by government money to upgrade their network backbones and trunks.
- Akedz, on 11/04/2009, -0/+3lol i pay 60$ for 1.5Mbps
- xGeneric, on 11/04/2009, -0/+3And I pay $56 a month for 768k that's been running around 200-300k for most of the day the past 2 months.
I do not live in a third world country... I live in New Hampshire. - asaone, on 11/04/2009, -1/+4This is the same ***** with the RIAA/MPAA wanting to throttle the internet speeds to keep you from downloading songs or movies. The only way to stop this ***** is to protest by not buying any cd/dvd/by from a studio and no downloading, a real protest world wide for a week. Do not go to a movie buy a cd or dvd or blueray for a week. Show them we do have power and to leave us the ***** alone. Otherwise you will have true throttled internet, or pay as you go intenet or you can only go to the web sites that are on a approved list made by them and no others. ***** the RIAA/MPAA and the ISP's that cave into this *****. Boycott for real. Stand up now or get run over like sheep. Boycott.
- Qumahlin, on 11/04/2009, -0/+2There are very few ISP's that have the money to spend to enact what is required to easily stop modified modems.
Most ISP's that want to stop this activity use CNR (Cisco Network Registrar); however it is expensive, requires staff to manage it and still does not stop it 100% if the user knows what they are doing. - Dauntless1, on 11/04/2009, -2/+4@crosaks
Hypothetical for you. If the government were to give telcoms a bailout, like they did the banks and auto industry, on the condition that they lay fiber to the curb throughout the US, do you think the taxpayers should get what they paid for? - pdquickk, on 11/04/2009, -2/+4Not long ago a group of Midwest teenagers decided to hack their cable modems and were surprised when the FBI showed up to confiscate all their computer equipment, They were criminally charged by the ISP and FBI under the DMCA for all the modified cable modems AND pirated software found on their computers. There's plenty of information out there on how to do it, just be aware that your opening yourself to a world of criminal charges if your caught.
- Qumahlin, on 11/04/2009, -2/+4Wrong. That only happens if your spoofing someone connected to the same blade of the CMTS as you. Due to ISP's using centrally or regionally located registration servers this rarely happens and is one of the reasons why you would see people on the TCNISO forums trading macs from various areas.
I use to be affiliated with TCN when they first started and the fact that Der was busted quite frankly scares me a bit. - Resolution, on 11/04/2009, -1/+3I don't agree with the uncapping laws. If I'm paying for 15Mbps down, then that's what I should be getting dag nabbit!
- yocouchdigga, on 11/04/2009, -1/+3Listen, you mentally deficient tool, do you go after the guy who makes the gun or the guy who uses it to kill?
Thanks for playing. - Xtortion08, on 11/04/2009, -0/+2IDK, those Canadian Cowgirls have really peaked my interest...
- Frostek, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1Yes, it would make much more sense for the internet to be effectively unusable for everyone. /s
- codyraymulcahy, on 11/04/2009, -2/+3Very true. We wouldn't have this problem if it wasn't for the ISP's to begin with. Let's hope the FCC and Net Neutrality fix these problems.
- Klak, on 11/04/2009, -1/+2it isnt going to matter if you have a hacked cable mdm if the isp has any idea what its doing
- infinitus64, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1go to hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Frostek, on 11/04/2009, -1/+2Apparently so, according to the nitwits on this thread.
- inactive, on 11/04/2009, -1/+2A) ISPs do put security on their modems, and
B) It seems the modems being hacked are owned by the group who's hacking them, not some random ISP.
Assuming these modems aren't DOCSIS compliant, it's almost certainly a violation of your contract to hook up one of these modems to the cable network (and if you haven't signed a contract it's probably illegal to hook anything up to the cable network). It *should* be a contract thing, I don't know if it's actually illegal, but if it is, it's *****. There are plenty of legitimate uses for hacked cable modems; from using it as an embedded server to playing around with the transceiver. - fcukthisgame, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1Buy a switch?
- Klak, on 11/04/2009, -2/+3doesnt matter. if you spoof someone else's mac address, that person gets kicked off, calls the cable company, and your back off like that
- noisymime, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1Its already illegal. You're not allowed to replace the ECU on your car with an aftermarket one as they are not 'certified'. Certification for an aftermarket ECU manufacturer is practically impossible and even if one is certified then they must be locked down such that they can't be modified after an emissions test is run.
- Tarkaan, on 11/04/2009, -1/+2Well ***** me running. Any other parameters you can change, Mr. Wizard?
- fr3nch, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1The Fcc can protect net neutrality (as long as the republican's don't get their way), but the "free market" is what controls service and costs. Until there is competitive stimulation, like there was in that one town that planned to publicly fund a fiber network, the IPS's won't do anything even though their profit margins are ridiculous. (story here: http://digg.com/tech_news/Want_50Mbps_Internet_in_ ...
Crosaks, seriously. Government agencies like the FCC are the only thing standing between your well-being and big business' giant financial rape stick. If the government didn't have things like the FCC you would be working an 18 hour day for minimum wage, without benefits. The LAST group of people that should be making decisions about our well-being (or access to information) are those who profit from ripping us off. I really don't know how a 44-year old doesn't understand this. - Qumahlin, on 11/04/2009, -1/+2Yes also be aware that the one guy who didn't accept a plea bargain and actually fought the charges was found innocent.
You should also be aware that the ISP in question was found to have falsified some of their evidence and also lied to the FBI about the activities taking place in order to get them to investigate. - Khast, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1Whidby Telecom.
Their modem calls home, and can be controlled remotely. It uses a custom firmware. It throttles P2P traffic at the router/modem level. (Which also affects online games.)
I have complained, and demanded that I be allowed to have my own modem. Their answer is no. And they are the only internet provider in the area, so I can't really threaten to switch. - lbzfoxracingsmp, on 11/04/2009, -1/+1http://www.alipac.us/article-4630-thread-1-0.html the gov really wants their hands in everything, but using the flu as an excuse to throttle??
"Private Internet providers might need government authorization to block popular websites, it said, or to reduce residential transmission speeds to make way for commerce." now this is messed up! - MacHarborGuy, on 11/04/2009, -4/+4"There are plenty of legitimate uses for hacked cable modems; from using it as an embedded server to playing around with the transceiver."
However, it's not "YOUR" network to "play around" with, nor do most ISPs allow "servers" to be run from your connection, and I really don't think they would like the usage of "legitimate" and "hacked" in the same phrase. If you want a network that you can play around with, go get yourself one of those fabled "dark fiber lines" and become your own ISP. - inactive, on 11/04/2009, -1/+1That's what I said. When I said server, I was actually thinking along the lines of running, say, a print server from a cable modem the same way I currently run a print server off of a hacked wifi modem. Not something connected to the internet, since you're better off getting a private host for a web server. As for playing with the transceiver, I just thought it'd be neat to play around with building your own cable network, see how it works; if you live in a university dorm or something you could maybe build your own wide-area-network. Maybe you could adapt the transceiver for other uses too, set up an antenna and send/receive high-frequency RF waves, et cetera.
Actually connecting a hacked cable modem to an ISP-owned cable line would almost certainly be a violation of your contract, a pretty pointless risk to take. If your internet is too slow, pay the extra ten bucks a month and get a faster connection, jeez. - iXneonXi, on 11/04/2009, -1/+1What Qumahlin said is right. Also, I'm a little spooked too.
- iXneonXi, on 11/04/2009, -3/+2It's not the modems, it's the network. They're too cheap to upgrade to more secure systems.
- joshconsulting, on 11/04/2009, -8/+7Sorry, but just because you think something isn't a good value doesn't give you the right to steal it.
- Qumahlin, on 11/04/2009, -2/+1Who is your ISP. There are multiple methods to prevent against exactly what you describe via modified firmware. Then when the ISP kicks you off you just end up stealing service instead of stealing a higher tier of service.
- Macintoshreader, on 11/04/2009, -4/+3***** AT&T!!!
- Lonandubh, on 11/04/2009, -4/+2“It’s like arresting every firearms dealer, because handguns can be used to commit murder.”
...well, actually, there are some people who wouldn't mind that "solution" - Khast, on 11/04/2009, -4/+2My ISP has this all covered. They supply the modem/router, if their network can't access the modem's backdoor and receive the proper response, it disables your internet connection until you call to complain....they look up what the error was...and BAM they know you had a modified modem.
It's *****, since I actually have a need for my own modem...as theirs does not allow another router in line...and they only give 2 10/100 ports. - inactive, on 11/04/2009, -2/+0If I were you I wouldn't put too much trust in the FCC...
- Tarkaan, on 11/04/2009, -6/+1That's an interesting idea. Increasing your horsepower these days is a matter of replacing one chip. What happens when people start creating their own interfaces and literally start hacking their cars? It's not like you're getting something for nothing, like our friend with the cable modem, since you already paid for the car, but if breaking DVD encryption and publishing that information is illegal, why wouldn't it be illegal for you to publish software that decompiles and makes changes to the software on the chips in your car?
Since you already paid for the DVD, it's the same thing. You don't even need to make a copy for it to be illegal, just publishing an app for it would be. - juryben, on 11/04/2009, -10/+2Maybe if ISP would put security on their modems we wouldn't have the problem. People bitch about others stealing internet and not giving in time to fix. Another decent person jailed with the real criminals.
- inactive, on 11/04/2009, -17/+2If you need the money why not just stick up the local convenience story
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