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- anarcurt, on 11/05/2009, -5/+56You have the right to free speech... as long as you are not dumb enough to actually try it.
- bagelmaster, on 11/05/2009, -2/+46This sounds like something you'd read about in Communist Russia or China.
"Citizen, why do you have these tools and equipment that could be used for anti-government demonstrations?" - lurrch1, on 11/05/2009, -2/+37'When protesters in Iran similarly used Twitter to organize anti-government rallies, the U.S. State Department hailed the micro-blogging service as a boon to democracy.'
This is common stuff for the government. Anything that can possible benefit them is good, while anything that can possible hurt them is evil and wrong. - getlogicated, on 11/05/2009, -2/+33This is the future people. Are you OK with it?
- digitalArtform, on 11/05/2009, -0/+23You don't demand those kinds of rights. You start off already having them.
- zakool21, on 11/05/2009, -2/+17What goons. I can't believe the extent to which the cops will go to break someone's arm (figuratively) for allegedly getting in the way of their work. This seems no different than the cases where people are arrested for photographing police activity from across the street in the name of "hindering a police investigation."
- Barackalypse, on 11/05/2009, -2/+17Yet another instance when encryption would have saved the day.
- Lefts, on 11/05/2009, -0/+11No, not at all. Free speech is kind of something your born with, as it requires outside entities (I.E., Government, which anarchy opposes) to violate it.
It makes perfect sense. - argoff, on 11/05/2009, -4/+14I don't know what his position is, but most anarch0-capitalists are in strong favor of respect for property rights, freedom, rule of law, and justice, they just don't believe that a state with massive coercive centralized power to co-opt other wise non criminal people (for taxes territory etc) is necessary for that. IMHO, their argument is very compelling. Looking at the USA, it's pretty clear that we tried the limited government route, and that it failed miserably. As soon as the government has any power to force honest people to do anything, it will grow out of control till it consumes all of society. People act like we'd all be these naked helpless uneducated babies walking on dirt roads, eating rottrn food, dying of sickess on the streets on crack unless the government came and ass-raped us for 10x the cost. *****, as if people couldn't figure things out.
- KeseChartier, on 11/05/2009, -0/+9I had caltrops when I was in junior high. As far as I know they are legal to own and can be purchased in martial arts catalogs. Owning a tool that could be used illegally is not always a crime by itself. It sounds like his house was searched because he committed an act that was not a crime but was annoying to police. Items that are legal to own but could be used illegally were found and are being used by police to show that he could be guilty of something. I don't think that is how it should work.
Think of all of the things in your residence that the government would find "damning" if they were allowed to charge you for everything for which an item COULD be used. - Barackalypse, on 11/05/2009, -0/+7That is why the only free speech is anonymous speech. Had this guy encrypted everything and powered off his machine when the Police arrived, they wouldn't have anything to change him with.
- T8erT0T, on 11/05/2009, -0/+6Or get the ever loving ***** beat out of you in a dark room until they forced you to give them the code.
- thejadedmonkey, on 11/05/2009, -0/+6I was accused last night of violating a federal wire-tapping law. I was recording 5 police cars and about 8 police officers towing 2 cars away.
- yocouchdigga, on 11/05/2009, -1/+7Very, very unsettling. We need to course correct as a society our we are doubleplus *****. We've been letting these kind of police-state tactics go on for far too long.
- CamonDraconis, on 11/05/2009, -0/+5@burrdugg: No, however it, along with other rights, have been determined to be a given to every sentient human being(right to speak one's mind, self defense, property, etc).
Common misconception. The 1st Amendment does not give you rights, it prevents government from infringing on those which already exist. - bobburn1, on 11/05/2009, -1/+6USG on Twitter used in Iran against government oppression: GREAT BOON TO DEMOCRACY!!!!
USG Now: Hey..you can't use that EVIL tool against US!!!!
Also, prove he was doing it to help the rioters. Prove intent. Unless he tweeted, wrote down, or said (on tape) that he wanted to help the rioters, the charge is *****. - bobburn1, on 11/05/2009, -0/+5Are you an idiot? Why would PAPER be against what an anarchist believes in.
- thejadedmonkey, on 11/05/2009, -0/+4As someone who was there, I can assure you that most (not all, but a lot) of these "rioters" were actually freshmen and sophomore students who happen to live across the street.
It takes 1 man to break 5 windows, and it takes maybe 5 drunk college students to light a dumpster on fire. Hardly rioters. - jonglebeats, on 11/05/2009, -1/+4Kinda funny that if he had a gun it wouldn't be that unusual because of gun laws, but caltrops, oh noes!
- Protonz, on 11/05/2009, -0/+3I had caltrops and throwing stars in high school, my friends had other various ninja gear.
wtf is wrong with you? "Won't somebody think of the horses!!?!/12?" - spworm, on 11/05/2009, -3/+6Power comes from the barrel of a gun.
- bobburn1, on 11/05/2009, -0/+3No, it's not. If you are in the United States, you have those rights. The Supreme Court has held that regardless of your nationality, political orientation, or criminal status you have all of the rights a citizen has. The constitution does not state only citizens have the rights, thus they are afforded to all people under US jurisdiction.
- mbraynard, on 11/05/2009, -2/+5Witholding judgement since the story is woefully incomplete.
Didn't see what he was tweeting, only his lawyer's explanation of what he was tweeting.
If I could see the tweets and the statute , I and others may be able to make a determination of the tweets violate that statute and whether or not the statute itself is constitutional.
If he was actually encouraging individuals to engage in violence against the cops and giving them intel that would enable them to do that (IE - "the police checkpoint at block A is undermaned right now, go attack there"), then the prosecution and search is warrented.
It's not like the protestors were totally peaceful: "Some self-styled anarchists broke windows of chain stores and pushed a dumpster towards a phalanx of cops in riot gear." - adamsteinberg, on 11/05/2009, -2/+5Let's all settle down, the charges against Madison and Wallschlager were dropped two days ago.
Source: news.infoshop.org - phoomp, on 11/05/2009, -0/+3Communist Russia, China and ...
Iran - burrdugg, on 11/05/2009, -2/+4Doesn't an anarchist demanding constitutional rights to free speech contradicts itself? Isn't this selective anarchism depending whether the situation benefits you?
- Taiyoryu, on 11/05/2009, -3/+5He transcribed the broadcasts of a police scanner to the Twitter service. Listening to a police scanner is legal. Using the Twitter service is legal. Rebroadcasting the police scanner to another medium is illegal because those who subscribed to the feed were rioters? Unless there's evidence that says he volunteered to do this for the purpose of informing rioters or the rioters enlisted his aide, then this is an illegal search and seizure.
Rioters, as opposed to peaceful protesters, have no respect for private property or the safety of others. By helping rioters, you are an accomplice to their actions. So I understand why the law is in place. - crackerjack20, on 11/05/2009, -1/+3I wish people learned the proper usage of "a" and "an".
- Darthyoshiboy, on 11/05/2009, -2/+4Ladies and gentlemen, freedom has left the building.
- txballer, on 11/05/2009, -1/+3Yes your makin' a big deal outta nothin'. long as were safe im all for it plus if im not doin' nothin' i got nothin' to hide.
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*sigh* - Lefts, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2Haha, caltrops? seriously?
- Lefts, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2No, in this case, the law, establishment, whatever, is against him.
- Hiwnes, on 11/06/2009, -0/+1To be fair, without some one to defend your property rights it's you against everyone who wants some of your land. You're in a world of hurt unless you have bigger guns and more of them. This is why we set up governments in the first place. If we don't actively set them up, they grow up around the people with the most power and those people don't often have your best interest in mind. Just ask anyone who has crossed the Russian or Japanese Mafia. Representative government might suck, it might have issues but it's the best we've come up with so far because at least we have some say in what that power does.
- erictheturtle, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1You're doing it wrong adamsteinberg. You're supposed to rage against The Man, not calmly post important factual information, if you want positive diggs.
- chrisdjohnson, on 11/05/2009, -1/+2That pic of him sitting on the couch will haunt my dreams for years to come.
- cybertrust, on 11/06/2009, -0/+1The standard of proof for a search is simply probable cause. The question for the judge was whether that standard was met. It's the justice system working the same way it's been working for 233 years. A conspiracy theory is a terrible thing to waste.
- DDRSkata, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1Anarchism is not pretending there isn't currently a government. It's a goal, not a delusion.
- neptune5233, on 11/07/2009, -0/+1Unfortunate, but this seems to be true.
- mbraynard, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1Again, even if true, only a partial story.
American's have on occasion in the past been to quick to judge and to be taken advantage of because of this (the Lusitania?)
Let's not repeat the error here. - Barackalypse, on 11/05/2009, -1/+2If you used keyfiles with the encryption and gave them to friends with the instructions to destroy them if the Police ever captured you, even if tortured you wouldn't be able able to open the files.
- tubb311, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1"an Twittering anarchist" ?
- T8erT0T, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1Yeah----but that ain't gonna help you stop spitting up blood for a week.
- Ascadian, on 11/10/2009, -0/+1Welcome..... to The New US, how much more we gonna take
END THE FED
AND THE PATRIOT ACT
AND NAFTA
CLEAN HOUSE ON GOVERNMENT
DON'T FALL FOR THE WHOLE LEFT RIGHT CRAP, THEY ALL SUCK (EXCEPT RON PAUL) ^^ - tsotha, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1If anarchists actually got what they think they want that would pretty much always be the case. *Somebody* will come in to fill the power vacuum.
- kleon777, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1They're all "save the trees."
- kleon777, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1No, just no.
- anarcurt, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1Well, that is why the founders limited our government in the first place. They just didn't do a perfect job. They knew that power could not be trusted. They even told us not to trade freedom for temporary security. We failed to listen. The cochroaches found cracks to scurry in to. Now we have a behemoth nanny state.
- zmigliozzi, on 11/05/2009, -1/+1Or don't be a dumbass and twitter sketchy things, you attract all sorts of attention even from our friends in suits from washington.
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