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- exitManX, on 02/17/2009, -2/+124it's always a bad idea to upload unnecessary personal info to any website, imo.
Facebook's been going the wrong direction even since they introduced the 'apps'. Whenever you try add one, you have to give it permission to access all your profile info... - mattnyc99, on 02/17/2009, -3/+78this could be the most important discussion in social media this week. can someone give a better answer than zuckerberg to this situation? (and can someone give an amen to the NYT for putting all these damn links in a geeky story like ALL newspapers should???)
- BadAsh71, on 02/17/2009, -0/+64That's exactly why I never respond to "requests" from friends to do a survey, join a game, receive virtual products, etc.
I don't want EVERYBODY having free access to my info.
Basically, Facebook setup a nice little Data Mining business and they've disguised it as a "social" community. - ancientdinko, on 02/17/2009, -2/+45I wonder if Digg owns this comment?
- omgwhataguy, on 02/17/2009, -3/+34The NSA.
- tmyprod, on 02/17/2009, -0/+26It's not that the data/images/music is out on the net, its that facebook now claims to own any media you created and put on their site.
- fajitamelt, on 02/17/2009, -1/+25Exactly.
I think the best use for Facebook is to connect to friends and people that you would otherwise be unable or have a difficult time connecting with. Like friends you have in another country, old friends, or even a friend at school that you don't see that often.
But when you leave messages to people you see EVERY DAY at school and/or work, that's ***** excessive. It's what is pushing society more and more towards Idiosyncracy.
Next, the stupid games and surveys on it are the biggest ***** waste of time. Cancer STILL isn't cured, people! <(I'm not kidding. Get off your ***** asses and do something productive.)
One more thing: If you don't like the fact that they are obtaining information from you (which isn't new; credit card companies, the little surveys you fill out on warranty cards, and a ***** load of other things have been doing this for years) simply don't use Facebook.
*****. - Aguyinachair, on 02/17/2009, -0/+23That really doesn't work for the millions of people who are on Facebook.
- diggduggDOOM, on 02/17/2009, -7/+29They own it. You gave it to them.
Suckers. - bhuntsbarger, on 02/17/2009, -10/+32SIMPLE....
1. GET A DOMAIN NAME
2. WATERMARK YOUR STUFF BEFORE UPLOADING.
3. IF THEY USE IT, THEY WILL BE ADVERTISING FOR YOU... SO THEY WONT - shauncorleone, on 02/17/2009, -5/+27"Facebook’s Users Ask Who Owns Information"
Facebook replies: We do. Duh. - LiquidSpark, on 02/17/2009, -18/+38As someone who doesn't use FB of Myspace (or any other social network) I find it funny that people post their attention whoring updates on the internet and then get mad that they can't take it all back. It's the INTERNET! Anything that goes up, stays up, FOREVER!
- pkaoc, on 02/17/2009, -1/+20Good point. That's messed up
- Jedimonkey27, on 02/17/2009, -0/+18This isn't a privacy issue, this is an intellectual property issue. Just because you put something on the internet doesn't mean that you forfeit all rights to it. This however is what the new Facebook TOS seem to state. They say that Facebook now has the rights to create derivative works of, modify, distribute etc. anything and everything that users upload, depending on the privacy status. You have completely missed the point of the anger.
Also, bbliss17 is a nincompoop. - bbqsalad, on 02/17/2009, -1/+19it's not even about that, it's about them baing able to sell your profile or advertise with it. Or do as they wish. If I upload a photo I took they can sell that photo if they want
- jftitan, on 02/17/2009, -1/+16here is a good question. What if I closed my facebook account BEFORE the change in terms. (which I did) And the terms said back then, when you closed your account, everything is deleted (honestly, I didn't believe that too). But on paper (internet) the terms said once closed all information is deleted.
blah blah blah, next week I find they used my mug. What then? (sue) - plague, on 02/17/2009, -1/+11The only thing that changed in the TOS was that they keep the license to your stuff even after you delete it. Removing all your stuff after the change did nothing for you.
- inactive, on 02/17/2009, -5/+15You people dont even need a chip in you hand . LOL
- viv4l4b4m03, on 02/17/2009, -3/+13***** Facebook
- digiguy, on 02/17/2009, -2/+12It's so easy today to get a domain name and keep your info there. You can do anything you want. ***** the public crap.
- cbsx01, on 02/17/2009, -4/+13How many FB or MySpace users pay for their service?? They are in this to make money, not to make you happy. Of course they're going to sell and market to you. Did Google put their search engine out there solely to make navigating the web easier for us? How altruistic of them.
- Gee1004, on 02/17/2009, -1/+10They own it is such *****. The DMV took you picture for your driver's license. The company you work for took your picture for the badge and your info. Does this mean they can use it anyway they want too?. People should have rights even on the internet.
- aguita, on 02/17/2009, -0/+9The problem is that they can even use the data about you even if you don't upload information. Your "friends" who use the site and talk about you and what you guys did, what you all have in common, etc. Hell, if they talk about your mother and her maiden name, Facebook owns that information as well.
I may wear a tinfoil hat, but in this day and age, I think it's needed. :) - robszol, on 02/17/2009, -0/+9Yeah except when some other idiot friend uploads it and tags you. I can't control everyone else's damn cameras!
- Memitim, on 02/17/2009, -0/+9Where do you live that the law allows you to keep anything that someone leaves at your house? Christ, if that were true I'd have several cell phones, a couple of wallets, and an impressive key collection.
- stix213, on 02/17/2009, -0/+8Whatever Zuckerberg said does not matter. What is in the TOS is that anything you put on Facebook belongs to them. The text of the TOS is all that matters.
- jftitan, on 02/17/2009, -1/+8I've actually enjoyed that use. I got a domain of my own, and when it comes to hosting your own photos (I don't watermark yet) I can get a good statistic on who and what is looking at me by looking at my hosting logs.
When you find your photo links are being used elsewhere I just change the photo to something not cool. (But DONT FORGET TO UPDATE THE OTHER SITES FIRST!!!) I made that mistake once. - drmobutu, on 02/17/2009, -1/+8Being targeted for advertising is the least of your worries...any day now, crooks will be using publicly available data from facebook for scams...stalkers, psycho ex-boyfriends, former & prospective employers, landlords, your neighbors, you name it...they can all access that data. Why expose yourself, at all?
- Al3x, on 02/17/2009, -1/+8This isn't unusual. Basically, if me, Joe Smith post on Jane Doe's wall and say, "happy birthday"...then a week later I decide to delete my facebook account, my post on Jane's wall will remain.
It isn't feasible to scan all my activity and interactions with apps and boxes and delete all my data upon deletion of the account. So they are required to word the TOS as such. - JoeHammer, on 02/17/2009, -2/+9Didn't we just go over this?
- D4M4N, on 02/17/2009, -0/+6ultimately everything you ever put online is NOT safe.
- nwilliam3, on 02/17/2009, -0/+6Read the TOS. What it says and what Zuckerberg said are not the same.
From FB TOS...
"You are solely responsible for the User Content that you Post on or through the Facebook Service. You hereby grant Facebook an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to (a) use, copy, publish, stream, store, retain, publicly perform or display, transmit, scan, reformat, modify, edit, frame, translate, excerpt, adapt, create derivative works and distribute (through multiple tiers), any User Content you (i) Post on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof subject only to your privacy settings or (ii) enable a user to Post, including by offering a Share Link on your website and (b) to use your name, likeness and image for any purpose, including commercial or advertising, each of (a) and (b) on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof. You represent and warrant that you have all rights and permissions to grant the foregoing licenses."
According to this anything you put on FB (not just comments) can be used by FB for any purpose forever! Even after you leave. What I find most scary is that if you offer a post to FB link on your personal non-FB site they now claim full use of that content too.
Eventually, they will face litigation and this will be changed, but it is scary right now. - penneyisok, on 02/18/2009, -1/+7Read at the bottom of any page on Digg:
— Content posted by Digg users is dedicated to the public domain (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/) - darylspong, on 02/17/2009, -0/+6A lot of people seem to be worrying about pictures and other information to be used for data mining and whatnot... That shouldn't even be an issue; Facebook is not going to use your picture for anything, or try to make a profit of of it.
The bigger situation here is people that upload music and films that they themselves have created. With the introduction of Fan Pages on Facebook, it's become more of an attraction for musicians and film-makers to get on Facebook, much like they've been getting on MySpace.
Now, if I'm interpreting their new TOS correctly... If I am a musician, and I upload some of my own tunes to Facebook, Facebook now owns my music? Meaning I can no longer use it in other media as I wish? That isn't right, and is a more realistic situation that people should be worrying about. Losing creative control over such self-created content is absolutely ridiculous... But at the same time, is there anything we can really do about it? By using Facebook, you are essentially agreeing to the TOS, and by agreeing to the TOS you pretty much have no chance of winning if it comes down to a debate over who has creative control over your uploaded content. - CoreyTamas, on 02/17/2009, -0/+5You've only got part of the picture there.
I posted photos of my kids on Facebook last year. Now, Facebook has the legal right to sell pictures of my kids to Reebok or Toys R Us and make all the money they can off of them without giving me or my kids a dime. At one point I was streaming my blog and twitter feeds into Facebook, and this means they can republish any of it anywhere (including with edits they want to make), get paid for it and not credit me.
If they just wanted to keep copies of my pics and content, that'd be one thing. What they're asking for now is something else. - ChloeMS, on 02/18/2009, -1/+61) Facebook user(s) sue for control of their submissions and profiles.
2) Judge rules that Facebook must;
a) Notify all existing users, and keep a record of each existing user contacted, about the new terms of service, and,
b) Give each existing user 30 days from contact time to determine if they wish to agree to the new terms of service, and,
c) If a user wishes to discontinue being a member, Facebook will delete and destroy all information and submissions submitted by the user, as well as all material and submissions submitted to the users account by other Facebook users. Facebook will keep no information that was originally submitted to the users account.
d) If a user agrees to the new terms of service, or if they do not notify Facebook of their intent to discontinue membership within 30 days of notification by Facebook of the new terms of service, the new terms of service are in force as of the date the user notifies Facebook of their intent to continue membership or the deadline expires, which ever comes first.
e) In no case other than stipulated in (d) above are the new terms of service to be retroactive.
3) Facebook users leave en-mass.
4)Facebook, facing a dearth of membership, goes bankrupt, reorganizing itself into a new company.
5) Reorganized Facebook does not attract new users who are still wary of the changes that caused them to leave in the first place.
6) Facebook fades into history as another example of a management boondoggle that destroyed a good thing. - inactive, on 02/17/2009, -0/+5actually Illuminati
- Suzilla, on 02/17/2009, -2/+7@LiquidSpark
... well, at least until a good EMP knocks out their data center. - stormofswords, on 02/17/2009, -4/+9sup ebaum
- MScrip, on 02/17/2009, -3/+7Yeah. We'll all go back to sending e-mails, and everyone will set up their own domain for posting pictures.
I don't really post anything of value. I don't care if my Wall post "great seeing you this weekend" lives forever on a server somewhere. And my photos of the weekend aren't worth anything to anyone but me.
People upload 15,000,000 photos per day. Most of the photos people upload are crap anyway. Good luck trying to sell them to a stock photo house.
There are other places people could go instead of Facebook. Flickr has much better terms of service. They won't keep images if you decide to delete them. But it's just pictures and video. Facebook is everything... photos, videos, Wall posts, messaging, notes, events, birthdays, etc, etc, etc... That's why people use Facebook.
Are people idiots for using Facebook? The same rules apply as always... don't post anything that you don't want someone else to have. - cleffyowns, on 02/18/2009, -0/+4Yeah it's a shame that facebook doesn't give you the ability to untag yourself from photos.
- inactive, on 02/18/2009, -0/+4It was good when it was students only who had valid college e-mails.
- xcruciform, on 02/18/2009, -0/+4this is posted on facebook now.. backtracking pretty quick still deleting my account..
"Terms of Use Update
A couple of weeks ago, we posted an update to our Terms of Use that we hoped would clarify some parts of it for our users. Over the past couple of days, we have received a lot of questions and comments about these updated terms and what they mean for people and their information. Because of the feedback we received, we have decided to return to our previous Terms of Use while we resolve the issues that people have raised." - flossdaily, on 02/17/2009, -0/+4@plague: I beg to differ, everything I posted was before that terms of service agreement. If for whatever reason they decide to use any of those things after I've deleted them, I could sue the for breach of contract under their previous ToS agreement.
- Coffeedemon, on 02/17/2009, -0/+4You're not revoking your own copyright (if you are the photographer) they can use that 604x453, 72dpi picture for whatever they want (which, given the resolution limitations, is not a whole lot). Its just a derivative work of an ostensibly larger, higher resolution item.
- hymneforthedead, on 02/17/2009, -0/+4actually its the CIA
- flossdaily, on 02/17/2009, -0/+4perhaps if you leave facebook those messages you left for other people should be erased?
- krondogx, on 02/17/2009, -2/+6I was satisfied with the explanation given by Zuckerberg on the Facebook blog. He says all that language is referring to is if you leave facebook, messages you sent to people will remain in their inbox. Terms of Service always require fancy language which often needs some explaining, which they didn't do right off the bat.
- joshhan, on 02/17/2009, -0/+4I guess you can't stand people who correct your horrendous spelling, either?
- flossdaily, on 02/17/2009, -8/+12I just wiped all my personal info and photos from my facebook account. There isn't a reason in the world why I should trust facebook to respect my rights when they just deliberately and specifically went out of their way to erode them.
Facebook should revert its terms of service to their original form and issue an apology to its users. -
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