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- MavRevMatt, on 10/11/2007, -2/+81BREAKING: Government denies truth, as per usual policy.
- dcoolidge, on 10/11/2007, -7/+40I hate f'in people who say you don't have anything to hide. Who cares if people watch you all the time? They are the same people who say God is watching you all the time. Yet, these same people commit atrocious crimes and hope no one but God is watching.
I need to sleep or something... - DavidGX, on 10/11/2007, -10/+39I betcha 10 bucks it works with windows only.
http://www.ubuntu.com/ time for a switch perhaps - MrHappy123, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21Hey morestar, can i remote control your computer? Since you have nothing to hide ... and I promise not to do any harm or steal your passwords or whatever
- streak, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15Leno reports the last time this was done, they found W's head.
- inhaler, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Wasn't there an article posted about a week ago dismissing the entire "why worry if you have nothing to hide" fallacy?
- DavidGX, on 10/11/2007, -6/+19Here comes the right-wing response to that.... 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 OMG stop emboldening our enemies! 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11
- Drizzit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12This is serious. I will assume for the moment that possibly M$ was dumb enough to engineer some way to allow this software to be installed remotely even behind NAT firewalls. Now all it would take is a hacker to find this back door (Regardless of OS) and they could own half the machines on the internet in a matter of hours.
I hope this software is more of a trick to get the end user to install it themselves like a story I read earlier in the week. Backdoors only invite abuse in the worst possible way. - faskill, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13People with power have the potential to abuse said power. And I highly doubt you have nothing worth hiding.
I know many that do multiple types of transactions online. They do this because technology has advanced allowing them to do so. These communications were previously completed by phone. Before that, they were completed via US mail and before that, hand delivered. For some reason, the courts today enjoy differentiating between talking on the phone and online transaction/conversation/etc. If your outlet to the outside world is a computer, should it really be "tapped"?
Also, if you have nothing to hide, I'm sure you never draw your blinds, or close your doors. You probably live in a glass house in the middle of the city. It's not always about the need to hide something, sometimes it's just about privacy. I respect yours, a courtesy enjoyed when reciprocated. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13It's only a matter of time before the American "Government" outlaws any non-Microsoft operating system, because they can't break in!
- theeEqualizer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Yep. MrHappy is right about this, pal. You need to check out more of your own country's history, and the history of the world. They get a foot in the door with these "legitimate" reasons to use such tactics, and then before you know it, they've rationalized their way into everyone's life to the point that you can't see the difference between your life and the life of any character in Orwell's "1984". Why do you think that people are screaming that 9/11 was an inside job??? Call them crazy if you want. But one thing's certain. Some people are grabbing a whole lot of power that you wouldn't have let them have on 9/10/01. Remember when Republicans wanted LESS government involvement in our lives?
- streak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9The same technology that is used to find potential terrorists can be (ab)used to assess public opinion and construct more effective pro-government propaganda. I care that the screws in Washington will use this technology to unjustly maintain control of the government, shutdown businesses they don't favor, and squelch personal freedoms.
- Qumahlin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Why is this a big deal? They emailed the kid a friggin trojan and for some reason the kid either opened it in outlook and let it self execute, or he ran it himself! It's not like this kid was a uber hacker and the government caught him with some super secret spyware...he was a idiot who sent a bomb threats via email...and not only that but sent them from an email address that he apparently actively uses.
This kid was LOOKING to get caught, he was checking his email everyday hoping to get some response to his bomb threats, the FBI sent him a trojan he and friggin activated it simple as that, hell they probably used any number of standard remote control trojan apps like backorifice, subseven, or some homebrew one they made themselves.
Simply fact is if this kid had not been a retard and/or had any sort of firewall, antivirus, hardware router, etc he would of seen what was going on. Even if MS did leave some super secret backdoor to windows like people want to claim they would need a way to obfuscate that traffic with everything else, route it over a common non firewalled port, and then hope it doesn't trip any other detection software on the PC....it would have to be the greatest trojan and backdoor coding ever...ever.
If such "super" trojans actually worked they would use them all the time, they wouldn't waste time with antiquated things like getting a court order to install a hardware keylogger on a suspects PC while the suspect is away.
Lesson here kids is #1 don't open emails from those you don't know. #2 never let any code run from an email, not even html. #3 IF YOUR GOING TO EMAIL THREATS USE THROWAWAY ACCOUNTS AND NEVER EVER EVER EVER CHECK THEM FOR RESPONSES!!!!!!!!! - iTorrey, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9How does the bill of rights not extend? These are RIGHTS not privileges. They aren't given to us by government but by our creator.
So the 4th amendment states
" The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
A computer is part of my effects. It is in my house and it belongs to ME. The government has no business installing things in my computer without my consent and neither does anyone else. If they install software which then takes my personal information it is clear that this is in violation of my god given rights. If you disagree, please explain. - Cherubim, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Everyone knows that WinXP and Vista are massive eavesdropping trojans. Why bother with the FBI and their puny little tool when the NSA has a number of backdoor's embedded in all Micrososft OS's ?
- kestrel127, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Hmm. I hope breaking into old lady's computers somehow gives them an advantage in hunting down terrorists that are probably already in our country planning attacks.
- darrenpauli, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I wrote an article (near the start of my journalism career) based on the implications of the US CALEA wiretapping laws, which demand telecommunications providers facilitate for the interception of communications by law enforcement, regardless of the medium. The problem, as you lot have debated, is how this will be provisioned in IP communications, specifically encrypted networks, P2P, and online gaming.
The answer, according to the telco providers I discussed the issue with, is that it is impossible.
The law has recently been mandated regardless, and our Australian copycat government has done the same.
The article is linked below for anyone interested - I am not posting for hits as I couldn't give a sh*t about getting traffic to our site; I write for the purpose of research and I find the debate and division between IT-literate people such as yourselves, vs decision-makers who wouldn't have a clue, amazing.
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;100862041;fp;16;fpid;0 - graaaag, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I'm wondering if they spy on the higher-ups. like bush or cheney. I've got a nagging suspicion that Dick Cheney has a personal laptop filled with russian midget bondage porn. Soon the truth will reveal itself. the truth of dick cheney's midget fetish. Just you wait. Can you blame him though? Is there anything hotter?
- MrHappy123, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8That's the problem, they never use it "legally" !
- Fartag, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7The easiest points of break-in are via closed source, by exploit or backdoor. For a fee, for national security, or whatever else, companies may be happy to include backdoors, or not close a particularly difficult to know about exploit known only to a few. Second, maybe there are even hardware backdoors? All of these seem much easier than hiding code in plain sight in open source for you and however many others to compile and then have your machine compromised. Though a hardware exploit may be unstoppable for any platform.
- mightyzug, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7you can get bomb plans just as easily in a library... ban all books!!! reading bad!!
moron. - theeEqualizer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Well Sean Hannity, Rep. Geoff Davis (R-KY), and George Bush are three right-wing figures that would and did.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Evidently the extraction has been unsuccessful so far.
- kindrobot, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Only works on Vista.
- FAT_PIGGY, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Welll Neo Cons love when the government spies on them with the patriot act and all.
- VaporBro, on 10/26/2007, -6/+11"I'm a sinner and Gods a pervert"
- MrHappy123, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6The only reason they used a court order on that was because it was easily attained .. they use it illegaly when it cannot be attained legally!
Just for idiots like you, here I post a link to this article ... "Illegal Surveillance: A Real Security Threat" http://www.fff.org/comment/com0602j.asp ... indulge yourself! - mightyzug, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5linux.
- johnkalel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin.
Ben knew his stuff. - cheesehead, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I think the FBI is trying to take down your country.
- trghpy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10Our ability to hack into everyones computer has nothing to do with that secret key that nobody knows the owner of in windows...
Thank you Bush, with out homeland security, NSA would never have shared that information with the FBI...
http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/5/5263/1.html
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/03/windows.nsa.02/ - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Cheney's alleged midget fetish is the least of my concerns. If that's the worst he has on his computer, I can breath a long sigh of relief.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"Just stick to Win 3.1" is like saying, "don't use phones, stick to cans and a string".
did you know the FBI can tie a string to the middle of your string and foil all your plans? - johnkalel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin.
You will see this comment below, but it bears repeating to every person who, for whatever reason, feels that the government should be able to transgress your personal liberties for any reason.
A good reason, say, anti-terrorism, morphs into a not-so-good reason, say, internet searching about terrorism, morphs into a bad reason, say, this guy doesn't agree with the current Administration.
That leads, eventually, unless a nation's citizens are zealous in protecting essential liberties, into totalitarianism. - cheesehead, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4why do you have such blind faith in judges? How do they get their jobs?
- obliviousfool, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3They seemed to feel relieved when they searched my [then] 2 year old daughter's shoes at the airport.
- Matthew720, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Who knew the FBI uses ducks to track down suspects. You learn something new every day.
- zeromancer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"By saying “I have nothing to hide,” you are saying that it’s OK for the government to infringe on the rights of potentially millions of your fellow Americans, possibly ruining their lives in the process. To me, the “I have nothing to hide” argument basically equates to “I don’t care what happens, so long as it doesn’t happen to me”
-- Comment of BJ Horn to Solove - stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3If you ever needed a reason to use Linux, this is it. Heh.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Or they can borrow the one (or two) that the NSA has, no?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Mac and linux are not the same thing. There's _probably_ a mac version. As for linux... if you're running it, odds are you'll see it coming.
- 2oonhed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3up digg for posting a link to a relevant & intelligent article.
- Timmmm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3If MS did do that, they will have made it so that everything has to be signed by an ultra-secret key that only the FBI have.
- peejah, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4hopefully who ever is watching me on my bootleg XP, is blocking the incoming gov. ports for me
- Pixelpaws, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The job of the government is to serve the people. Government eavesdropping is not a public service.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Then you can suck his dick for my part. I loathe the worthless bitch
- williamdyer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Yes, you ARE the only one.
As our government operates today, it does not deserve to survive. - williamdyer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2That the BoR is an American document is irrelevant. Governments do not grant rights. People grant powers to governments. Read the IXth and Xth amendments. They clarify this point.
- OBKenobi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I was going to reply until I got this message:
The force is strong with you, please wait a few minutes before commenting again. -
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