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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31LOL, I've got a couple hundred gmail invites they can have for some immunity to certain charges heh :-)
- phore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28interesting, i have a dot-gov e-mail account and im just a studen assistant.. how much could it possibly cost?
- sunnyd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24markmershonfbi69@hotmail.com is still free
- diggerphelps, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Two words: Carrier Pigeons
- haloevo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19Federal Bureau of Insufficient E-mail Address's.
Bahahaha..... You guys suck. - Raldikuk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I don't understand how more email accounts really would increase cost. The space and bandwidth required for email is pretty small.
- curtissthompson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14The U.S. government would never trust anyone but themselves with their e-mail hosting!
- longofest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11they must have spent all of their money on the virtual case file system, and we all know where that ended up...
- spade, on 10/12/2007, -16/+27I'll get buried for this, but here's some numbers. When we talk about security it also means be forward thinking at home, and funding the FBI, but where's the money going???
+ $248,905,805,199 Cost of War in Iraq, yeah that's Billion. 19 Billion can solve world hunger.
Then the human cost - 2,317 American Dead in Iraq, 17,004 American Wounded.
Source: http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/
3/19/06 - Marks the Third Year of the Invasion of Iraq.
5/1/03 - President Bush lands on the carrier USS Lincoln and declares, "Mission Accomplished." 2,180 Americans will die in the coming months. - razorsharp84, on 10/12/2007, -12/+22do you just spend all day replying to anti-war/anti-bush comments?
- Pezo, on 10/12/2007, -20/+30wow......it makes me feel so good that my country is so poor that our goverment agency cant even afford e-mail, but still has the money to fight a pointless war.
- vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8well then they should go open source...
if that is the case - EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"I've got a couple hundred gmail invites they can have for some immunity to certain charges" -dcjoedog
"Gmail != Encryped" -geminitojanus
It was a joke. It was even kind of funny. Digg needs to give out sarcasm decoder rings with every account. - Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@moeB
I may be mistaken, but I am reasonably sure that gmail does not sell your emails, their script scans the email for keywords and displays relevant ads, that is not sending your details to those companies as the ads are hosted on and by google - tdaddy11, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10"i'm sure all the soliders with missing legs or the dead ones families think it's getting old as well, in fact i think they should just get over it as you suggest. i mean why should they care about bush taking uni lateral action against another country under the pretense of WMD's that NEVER EXISTED and was later proven to be a total lie.
yes, we should all just stfu and say nothing if we aren't willing to shoulder a surface missle and take out the whitehouse and do something about it.
your a ***** moron, go back to waving your little flag."
First off, when did liberals start caring about US soldiers?
Secondly, I believe WMD'S DID EXIST when Saddam used them on the Kurds, so to say they "NEVER EXISTED" would not be a true statement.
Thirdly, is the litlle flag refering to the American flag? - davester, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6They should use Gmail for some irony. Let the govt go after Google for information, and yet use their system to send out very private information. :-)
- ClicknMiken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5A proprietary email system like Exchange or Notes would have licensing costs based on the number of users. Perhaps that is the reason for the apparently-great cost?
- rodbibeau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Some of you need to stick with the issues of this story. Not go off an rant.
The point is that the FBI cant fund someone to enter the names/info into the email system. the email system IS ALREADY IN PLACE and the security measures are already there. no need to go about re-securing it. - MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10maybe they dont want their email information being sold to advertisers
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4this is the most idiotic thing i have ever heard of. i'm calling ***** on this, there is no extra cost per email account when you run your systems in house as the FBI does.
even if they have some weird licensing agreement running MS software, like they can't afford a few 1000 extra's, hell i'm sure the US government has some bargining power when it comes to getting good deals on software. - SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Maybe the government would have money for their own email accounts if they stopped reading OUR email.
- That1Guy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is just about one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. You can speculate about software choices and such all you want but the reality is if the ability to support email is of budgetary concern to the FBI there is something seriously, and I mean unbelievably seriously, wrong with "the processs" in general.
I officially declare B.S. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I can't believe I'm replying, because I agree with both of you, but at the same time....
"19 Billion can solve world hunger???? Where do you get this number from? How long will this feed EVERYBODY in the world for? Assuming world population at 6 billion, and lets say 20% are starving (you can make up numbers then so can I)."
Let's start by dispelling the assumptions here, and start by adding in the facts (since making up numbers isn't good for anyone). The World Bank defines extreme poverty as living on less than US$ (PPP) 1 per day, and moderate poverty as less than $2 a day. So if you're poor, we can say that you're impoverished you're getting $0 to $365 to $730 dollars a year. In 2001, the World Bank estimated 1.1 Billion people live in the extreme poverty bracket, and 2.7 billion are just plain living in poverty. That's nearly half the world's population, mind you (40 some odd percent, no time to dig out a calculator).
As a Millennium Development Goal set by the United Nations with all 191 countries in agreement, we have vowed as one of our 8 committments that by 2015 that we will:
* Reduce by half the proportion of people living on less than one U.S. dollar a day.
* Reduce by half the proportion of people who suffer from hunger.
* Increase the amount of food for those who suffer from hunger.
As an estimate released by the United Nations, about $19 Billion US Dollars will be required to make this goal a reality by 2015. (Remember that whole G8 thing.. yeah.. they were arguing about this. Sad some people can't pick up a newspaper and read the facts).
So yeah, nobody is trying to outright save everyone all at once (that would cost hundreds of Billio.. hey wait aren't we spending that on the war..), but $19 Billion now will accrue a lot of interest over 7 or more years, which will go on to help nearly 2 billion people for more than 50 years. And it's not like America has to be the only country giving them the money, there are plenty of other incredibly wealthy countries that can help pitch in the $19 Billion they need.
Oh and Gates has already stated that when he dies, most of his remaining fortune will go on to charity (with enough left over for his wife and kids to live a long and prosperous... 10 generations). So Gates may very well be the man who saves Africa... But then again, I don't see people lined up outside of Gates house with machine guns and scud missile launchers and the like.. I'm not even sure if the man has his own Secret Service or drives around in armored cars. - tonage, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12leha-
Conspiracy theorists are such a joke. They just show their complete ignorance to the issue. They cannot produce an intelligent argument so they make up something they can understand. Moronic.
Hurry now. Thumbs down this quickly. It is pro Bush. Woudn't want someone have an opinion show up that is against your political bias. - vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11and the money to spy on its own citizens...
- leha, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14You are wrong, the war is not pointless. Friends of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld make a lot of money on it.
- xakkkk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5they're just trying to fool the general public by issuing press releases like that...its just a conspiracy
ps.go see V for Vendetta and you'll find out how they do it :) - kwoff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Looks like a propaganda piece to me. How much did the DOD psyops people pay CNN
to get people to pay more money to humongous bureaucratic departments of homeland security? - EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6He's right, you know!
- ph713, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4
While I'll agree there might be a cost problem with preventing employee misuse (inappropriate/unprofessional/illegal email, especially to outside addresses), the technical challenges are entirely their own fault. One can construct a highly secure and highly functional standards-compliant email system that scales very well very cheaply. So cheaply that the cost per employee is completely negligible in any company/agency (and that's counting the employment costs for the guys who build and maintain the email system). Email, and even secured email, is not a particularly daunting problem with the technology we have today. - zkirill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I'm sure FBI has special costs for their email: making it secure from every computer etc. / providing encryption and they can't make it cost any less because they are bound by the law to administer a certain amount of security.
- volcompimp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Do you think Stanley Goodspeed is going to foil a terrorist plot using a .gov account vs a Gmail account?
:-P - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Some folks need to stop hanging on every word our government officials (and rumor mongers) tell us. Now do you really think that's the case? Really? This country is spending millions every day in Iraq but, we are to believe that they can't afford to host a few Linux sendmail servers? Come on guys.
This story is just "soundbites" that don't paint a very clear and complete picture. - shakin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ibjhb
It doesn't take more techs to support, say, Exim or an SME server than it does to support Exchange or Notes. Actually, it requires less people because the system is transparent (eg. no mystery problems). I've been the admin on a pretty large email server based on Exim and it was very easy. I'd touch it maybe once a month. Our parent company eventually took over email and there were huge problems with Exchange. Eventually they migrated back to some Open Source solution and everything's working great again. - TimothyFrisby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Maybe they use Exchange... ;)
- iball, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ok, kids, here's the deal:
Creating an email account for a fibby costs NOTHING! The problem is, due to federal mandates/regulations, almost ALL official government emails are now being digitally signed and encrypted (PKI). That means every agent has to have:
a) a computer
b) whatever token/card their PKI certs are on
c) a reader for that token/card
And those things cost money.
In the bad ol' DoD, it's the Common Access Card (CAC) which is also the person's ID card. I use mine all the time, everyday. So when a fibby (or other government employee) complains that "I don't even have email!" what they are REALLY saying is "I don't have my own laptop and PKI cert!".
Seriously, some of you really need to actually go WORK in big government before you run your mouths off about it because it just makes you sound clueless.
BTW, guess who mandated secure email? Bill Clinton. He's also the one who pushed for digital signatures to become legally binding.
Oh yeah, and almost ALL of your "federal tax dollar" is going to one of two places: Iraq or Afghanistan.
I know becuase they just told over 330 of us Government IT workers (underpaid GS civilians NOT contractors!) here in Germany that we need to pound sand and find new jobs by November or we will have no job. Why? Because our command's budget has been slashed. That means...hmm...when a warfighter/civilian employee over here has a problem with their telephone or network in the near future, well...no one is going to fix it.
So while I feel a little of the fibbies pain, they are a little lower on the priority pole when it comes to commanders being able to email and place secure phone calls to and from the folks in the desert. - kilmer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Open source is a touchy subject in the gov. The approval process for any software is a pain let alone open source software. Wish it wasn't that way.
- rysolag, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6fbi email is expensive. think of how many people try and tap that *****. secrect network? other crazy ***** we don't even know about. ***** google, think how tech savy the us gov is!!
- addakorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The best security is "no RJ 45 port"
- Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3President Thomas Whitmore: I don't understand, where does all this come from? How do you get funding for something like this?
Julius Levinson: You don't actually think they spend $20,000.00 on a hammer, $30,000.00 on a toilet seat do you? - Noerr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree with That1Guy this is totally unrealistic.....Maybe by agents they mean the secretary's or cleaning lady -_-
- spxiii, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The U.S. gov is not as tech-savvy as it may seem. There are smart people, sure, but there are plenty of fools working alongside them and above them as well.
Consider this: Are you more likely to get a government job based on your ability or who you know? (congratulations, George Deutsch) - piratearggghhh, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Sounds like some political BS to get public support to get the bureau more money. It's pretty much the standard government version of begging for money: "How can we fight terrorism if we don't have the tools to do it."
- spxiii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The time for argument against the war was before it started."
Which is exactly why fear tactics were employed and emotions exploited to push us into the war before anyone had the chance to investigate with a clear head. Note that the Patriot Act was passed without many members of Congress even reading it.
It's difficult for people to oppose things when they will be looked at as "anti-American" if they do so.
My favorite quote: "It’s a sign that we’re all a little nervous in the post-9/11 world." -- Bill Toohey, spokesman for the Baltimore County Police, commenting on the arrest of a customer at Best Buy for attempting to pay for a service using two-dollar bills. - joxrox22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Messenger pigeons. Those ***** birds can be trained to go stealth if need be.
- putnam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I really wish people would shut the ***** up about G-Mail. No government agency is going to use a 3rd party free e-mail service, and neither would any professional business of any kind. You sound like a bunch of 13-year-olds.
OH I SURE HOPE I CAN WATCH DIGGNATION ON MY NEW VIDEO IPOD! EVERYONE SHOULD USE GMAIL!
"AJAX?" DIGG! - mexter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't get it. I posted this exact story/link a full hour before this one, yet it's the one that gets dugg. Bloody dupes.
http://digg.com/technology/FBI_official_says_budget_doesn_t_cover_accounts_for_all_agents - bluedepth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Keep in mind that when you are dealing with the government there are huge reams of red tape related to email retention, backup, and producability. Any standard email solution probably won't do, plus it may be in the FBI's best interest to not use E-Mail at all, but claim poverty as an excuse in order to avoid having to deal with all the troubles that come from a form of document-able communication. Let the agents keep on doing what they do, use their phones, route memos, do lunches in DC. When you are faced with an FOIA request, not having can sometimes be more useful than having.
- tylerni7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The best firewall is "no computer"
- tower31, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://news.com.com/FBI+ripped+for+IT+upgrade+costs/2100-1028_3-6052326.html?tag=st_lh
There is some of the money........... -
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