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- TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I actually don't care if anyone uses my connection. I leave it open... although I log all activity.
- TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yep, that's how I see it.
I live in a neighborhood with people wouldn't know crud 'bout computers. :P - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, why not provide a service to your neighborhood as long as they're not a-holes about it?
- Otto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have an open access point. It logs everything passing through it, including your email info and password if you're dumb enough to go there. And then, of course, I could just own you. Realistically, I don't have that kind of time, so I simply sift through the data it collects every once in a while and send email to people letting them know I could have owned them. Since I'm sending it from their own account, the suggestion might carry a bit of weight. :)
Using an open WiFi AP is a stupid, stupid thing to do unless you encrypt everything. You never know when you'll run across somebody like me, but without my sense of morality. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just as long as you're not using copyrighted or patented security cards to decrpyt that satelite signal ;)
- whitesanjuro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0there is another nice feature of running an open WAP w/o logs: plausible deniability..."why yes, judge, my network was completely open so I could share my internet access with the neighbors...I had no idea people could be distributing mpaa movies illegally!"
- inturnaround, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Randy Cohen, the Ethics columnist for NPR and the NY Times, agrees. He thinks that as long as you pay some internet provider for service then you should be allowed to use open WAPs without feeling guilty.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4604352 - ilitorat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hahah, otto, back in college someone did that to me. Sent me an email from myself, it said "Change your password." In my defense, I was a poor college student running 166mhz machine and everyone and their mother used it for writing their papers(which is basically all it could do if it tried really hard...) But it is always nice when people don't pwn you when they get that info.
- yakk0dotorg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I run m0n0wall for my firewall and it has a captive portal feature that lets you require users to click OK to agree to an AUP, then they can go out past the firewall. That's effectively my giving permission to use it as long as they agree to the AUP. The wireless is on a separate NIC in the firewall, and stuff like SMB ports aren't allowed from the wireless side to the wired (where my samba server lives), so I have no problems opening it up.
- illeat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You all are bragging about how you can own everyone who logs in through your AP, but an intruder can do the same thing to you by running sniffers and packet dumps. Most of us here know to only enter sensitive info over encrypted connections (even though those are surely not infallible), but what about our computer-illiterate parents and siblings who will enter their credit card or password whenever needed? I surely wouldn't want my neighbors or anyone else who happens to park in front of my house to have access to this info...
- zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I run an open access point, and I log everything. Mostly for the fun of it.
Even tho I file trade. I don't want my wap flooded so I block that at the router. Nothing more fun that seeing pic's and web cam action of your apartment dweller's sex capades. Oh ya I read your ICQ chats. :) - vuzman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0having an open AP can suck pretty much if some pervert uses it to download illegal kiddie porn. The trace will lead back to you, and you can get prosecuted.
- ninetynine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0not only does the FCC say they don't think anything is wrong, they actually came out not too long ago saying that it is legal. if you are going to keep your network open then that is in essence not telling people you don't want them on your network. it goes so far as to mention that shared folders are permissible to view but that is as far as it goes. you are not permitted to try to get into the rest of the drive.
grey area? i would say shared folders are a huge grey area bordering on black. - ,,|,_, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0epie, it would be a shame if someone were to photoshop compromising some pics of the guy and print them to his shared printer!
- epie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0From our apartment We can get SIX connections only 2 use encryption the rest are wide open. My Neighbour has his desktop shared with resumes cover letters files and his printer etc. shared.(I logged into his router and four other people + myself were using his access point) The guy's a Jerk so I have neglected to mention it to him and his wife and I happily use his bandwidth. What are the ethics in that?
- whitesanjuro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0dhughes - claiming ignorance of the law is not what i'm saying. the analogy to explain it to the ignorant judges/lawyers is that you have a useful service in your home (water for instance). if a neighbor hooks up his hose and uses it to drown his kids in the pool with your water, it's not your responsibility that he used a free service you provided illegally (similar to the notion that ISPs aren't liable for infringement). also, software2 got it right about satellite signals - the fed doesn't care that you use the signal, but they do care that you violate the DMCA by decrypting it without paying for the license.
- cburk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Otto what program are you using to monitor your neighbors access to your router? I am using a microsoft MN-700 router and it doesn't offer much logging capability. I know that a couple of my neighbors are using my router and I would like to find out what they are up to. Thanks, Cburk
- riot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ nickstang
someone ablove mentioned M0n0wall - kokosnuss, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Hi folks, I like many out there, switched on my wireless yesterday and realized that someone in my building or maybe the building nextdoor has a wireless connection left wide open. So I hopped on and have been using it simply to check and send emails. I was wondering if anyone of you knows whether using PeerGuardian 2 would work to keep my identity from being discovered by my neighbor?
- dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Nice try and funny if you could do that whitesanjur but doesn't the law down there in the US say ignorance is no defence? I think it does.
The way I see it is like satellite signals, if it's in my airspace then why can't I view it or use it? - nickstang, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0M0n0wall looks good, but does anyone know of a win32 solution??
- nickstang, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I would like to share my bandwidth with other neighbors, but want to keep myself safe. Does anyone know of a free firewall like t-mobile hotspot, but that I could let people surf the internet? I would like to use encryption, but at the same time, I want to keep my internet access sharable.
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