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- nahsrocketeer75, on 11/10/2009, -0/+60There *should* be public outrage about this kind of thing. ... I'm not holding my breath.
- Namco, on 11/10/2009, -0/+19This is chilling. It's proof of big brother shaking down a little website and violating someone's fundamental rights with them legally prohibited from defending themselves. WTF USA?
- mbtria, on 11/10/2009, -0/+18Support the EFF and the ACLU. Give what you can. If you served in the military, you spent 2+ years -- a couple of bucks to defend our Constitution is nothing compared to that. If you didn't serve, here is how you too can defend our nation.
www.eff.org
www.aclu.org - mrcoderga, on 11/10/2009, -0/+14Who is guarding the guards in the exec branch?
Congress, wake the hell up already and get to work! - AndrewMoyer, on 11/10/2009, -0/+9Are you kidding? They're too busy securing campaign funding for 2020.
- kaelyiesta, on 11/10/2009, -0/+9A bureaucrat violates the constitution and illegally passes off a fraudulent subpoena as genuine. The government threatens baseless legal action if anyone was told about it.
So, is anyone charged with a crime for these actions? No? Sounds about right. Boy I sure love having unaccountable people with power over us. It feels great knowing that the rule of law doesn't apply to them. - laminac, on 11/10/2009, -0/+7I'm amazed that an abuse of power like this happens all the time and we want to give the federal government more power? It doesn't make any sense to me. I don't have faith in the federal government with the patriot Act, health care, cap and trade, ect. I'm amazed people want to give them more power.
- tgc1, on 11/10/2009, -1/+7There should be, but most people don't know what this sort of thing means or how it breaches established trust in government.
- laminac, on 11/10/2009, -0/+6@5thdigg
I mentioned several things in my post, but I assume you are talking about health care. The thing is there are responsible insurance companies out there. One big problem is they can't compete across state lines so an employer can only choose between a handful of companies. There are also other regulation changes that should be implemented that would help our healthcare system, but I don't think the wisest thing is to turn it over to the federal government.
If you really want a public option or insurance mandate do it at the state/local level where individuals have more control to change it and the people are more of a check then the federal level. It's also easier for individuals to lobby at the local level. - 5thdigg, on 11/10/2009, -3/+9laminac, who is the other option? Corporations? we are stuck between a rock wall and a bunch of razor blade dildos.
- xedd, on 11/10/2009, -2/+8Some FBI guy in southern Indiana...
Southern Indiana. Not usually held to be a stronghold of respect for democratic principles or the individual rights of those whose political opinions are different from yours. - Jeff901, on 11/10/2009, -0/+6Read Carefully...
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/inde ...
Then go read the constitution
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
If ANY is trampled by the government, they must be put back in their place or thrown away.! - universeman, on 11/10/2009, -0/+5People - please - do something tangible to help. http://givv.org/r/eff
Forum postings are fine, but EFF needs cash to keep fighting for you. - RusDiggit, on 11/10/2009, -0/+4couldnt happen here ?
As of yesterday the uk govt has announced that it will allow legislation to require all CPS to retain and make available contact data.
Litterally evryone you talk to over the net, VOIP, every chatroom you vist, your social networks evry email and even every ingame conversation. They are making a big BIG thing about A) not puting it in a central databse and B) making it only who and when data not actually looking at what was said. The requirement I believe is for records to be retained for between 2 and 7 years ~ as yet to be decided. Nothing to say of course that it must not be retained.
What scary is that under existing legislation there are some 60 Govt and ngo organisation types that can ask for this data - including your local town council. ( Plenty of articals on town councils spying on people using anti terrorisim legislation over issues from school aplications to allowing their dog to repeatedly foul on the pavement - in one case a family, BY CHANCE, found out a council employee was making detailed observations for three weeks in an effort to find out if they livend in the house they said they lived in. Hundereds of thousands of requests from councils have been made for personal data - less than 1% related to terrorist concerns. )
Just a tip from the home of the magna carter.
For the sake of your kids please dont assume 'it will be "OK"'. - kajoob, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4Since Bush is no longer president, there will be no outrage forthcoming. Digg me down all you want bitches, the truth hurts.
- AndrewMoyer, on 11/10/2009, -1/+5Judging by how corporations have been operating in recent memory, I'd speculate that if health care companies were allowed to compete across state lines... instead of actually competing, they'd just consume each other through mergers until we were left with the same climate, only nationally. Then something stupid would happen and we'd be left with insurance companies too big to fail... (sound familiar?) Throw in a bailout and we'd be left with... *gasp* government-run health care.
I must side with you on favoring state government vs. federal government. These clowns in Washington demonstrate no sense of accountability except to their (corporate) campaign contributors. - laminac, on 11/10/2009, -1/+4I'm amazed that an abuse of power like this happens all the time and we want to give the federal government more power? It doesn't make any sense to me. I don't have faith in the federal government with the patriot Act, health care, cap and trade, ect. I'm amazed people want to give them more power.
- tgc1, on 11/10/2009, -1/+4See folks, look at the comments. That is an indication of how many people understood what this was. There aren't many comments. Most people don't know, or even care about what this means. People are quick to shout "conspiracy theorist" when you talk about people in government coming together to do ***** like this or caging lists and the like. Without evidence, people just bark that you're a crackpot. A lunatic. Then when the evidence is presented, people can't understand it so they again label you the same.
It's a vicious cycle. But what I fear is that we're too late. The populous has been dumbed down to a sustainable, coercible level. In that, even if 100,000 of us came together and noticed these things systematically erode our very last freedoms. We could not convince the general populous that we as a society were in trouble.
The common person is too apathetic. Only concerned with gaining the latest gadget, status, money and sex. That seems to be about it. Beyond that, people simply do not care. The moment you speak of politics or government, the common person tunes out. - ydobonobody, on 11/11/2009, -0/+2Totally agreed. I mention digital freedoms, the eff, or net neutrality to my parents and I just get blank stares. I would say the majority of people don't know what an IP address is so they have no qualms about the government asking for them from a site they have never visited. Once the freedoms are gone you never know when you are going to be a member of a targeted minority though.
- universeman, on 11/10/2009, -0/+2http://givv.org/r/eff
Support them both at once, from one donation, along with everything else you like. - laminac, on 11/10/2009, -0/+2yeah, I do have to agree with you that for it to work we must stop the corporate welfare, and too big to fail garbage.
- vodious, on 11/10/2009, -5/+6EFF: Eliminate the ***** Feds.
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