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- stark23x, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Just so Google will get this in connection with the words "Sony" and "root kit..."
I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER SONY MUSIC PRODUCT AGAIN. EVER. - julian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Tell Sony that you will NOT purchase products from them and why...
here
http://www.sonymusic.com/about/feedback.cgi - SCuM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I agree completely. For those interested here is a link that lists Sony Companies http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/sony.asp
- DarkerMaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sony(the whole entertainment industry for that matter)really needs to understand that the status quo has been challenged. if you can get a song off the internet for free, then why in the hell would you opt to pay for it(especially now that it contains spyware) so sony and the rest of the industry... piss off!
- julian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5
We Can Fight Back
DO NOT BUY SONY PRODUCTS.
Hit them where it hurts, NO more MONEY for Sony products (NO $$$)
Never buy Music from Sony or its subsidiaries (BMG, front Companies)
Sony CD music has a "TROJAN VIRUS" in it! It "breaks" your computer!
Curtail your purchase of any other Sony item;.... buy another brand.
Let this be a lesson ... so all other companies thinking of doing the same thing, DON'T even try it.
TELL YOUR FRIENDS....
POST IT AT CAMPUS...
POST IT AT WORK...
POST IT IN A BLOG...
DIGG IT...
Sony will only listen, if we all do it for at least 6 MONTHS
This is the Flash point... this is the last straw...
SPREAD THE WORD - nugget, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Great article
- ZrO-1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There is so much wrong with this thread...
First off: The media companies and their special-interest groups are really going too far with DRM. DRM should not be used to attempt to torpedo the competition's product. DRM should not be used to cross-promote your own products. DRM should not be used to nullify Fair Use. DRM should only be used to enforce Fair Use, and ensure that your product cannot be distributed illegealy.
Secondly: There is no justification for stealing content. NONE. Getting music/movies/TV shows/programs through P2P networks is STEALING. People need to work with companies and the gov't to promote Fair Use, and ensure that there are specific, and precise guidelines which spell-out what DRM can and cannot be used for. The more people steal/misapropriate/abuse digital content, the harder the media companies are going to attempt to lock-down and restrict digital media. P2P file "sharing" is hurting Fair Use, not helping it.
Lastly: The root-kit DRM Sony used was not illegally installed. You had to allow the instalation and it is mentioned in the EULA for the software. No court (in the US) would hold Sony liable for installing a program without your consent. That said: it is really horrible that Sony had to stoop to that low of a level in an attempt to enforce their version of DRM. I do not agree with why they put it on their CDs. I do not agree with the method they used to get their Root-Kit installed onto user's computers.
All in all I think it boils down to this:
People are abusing Fair Use by using P2P networks to distribute content they are not licensed to. Big companies are abusing the DMCA by forcing overly-restrictive DRM down consumer's throats in a knee-jerk reaction to rampant file-sharing. The government is clueless to the real truth behind both sides, and right now the big media companies are making more noise than the average consumer is. So unless things change on both sides (Big media vs. consumer's file-sharing) what is going to happen is that all media will be so restrictive and crippled that the average consumer won't want to buy it. P2P will become illegal or so overly regulated and monitored that the average consumer won't want to use it. And Fair Use will be overturned; eliminating the one real protection against the DMCA we have left. So basically we are farking ourselves in the long-run. - SCuM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Your anaolgy is flawed. If I had a bad experience at a McDonalds due to staff then I would not boycott all McDonalds. But if I had a bad experience due to business practices that the parent company could change then I would boycott all of them.
- J_Omega, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3What artists can do is to make sure that their contracts stipulate that DRM will not be added to their albums. If the record label won't agree to it, avoid signing the contract.
If you were an up and coming band, would you completely avoid Sony because of this? Most wouldn't, I think. It isn't easy to get a big-ticket contract. They might be able to avoid the DRM, though. - apotropaic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Dragular... Sony as a whole is like this though. Take thier portable audio line... for the longest time you could only use their file formats to copy to your devices. Most of their players are still this way! You can only use thier software which I think was programmed by apes, who happened to be blind. And it installs a bunch of DRM crap on your computer as well. At one point I had to uninstall their software because I wasn't 'allowed' to play a cd with windows media player. I had to convert all my music to their format and I was only allowed to tranfer the songs 2 times to my Mini Disc! Their digital cameras only take the sony memorystick. Proprietary. Sony's got lock down so that only their certified players can play SACDs. If they could, they'd make their laptops and desktop proprietery too! DRM is about being proprietary and only being able to use your media if they say its ok. And sony is the worst at this!
- karamba_kid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3No Sony Playstation 3 for me! Even though I was already boycotting the RIAA labels, and I don't run a operating system as inferior as Windows.
- princess_apple, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just another reason not to use Windows.
- Darth_tater, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3www.torrenttyphoon.com
www.isohunt.com
www.torrentbox.com
GO THERE that will get you all of your music. and NO DRM!
that how (my firend) got over 60 gigs of music - pvaculin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Nice article. One thing that we need to think of is the artists. They are definitely caught in the middle. I suggest that any artists thinking of signing with Sony should definitely reconsider at this point. This is very damaging and the perception through association is a stigma the artists can not tolerate.
- ashanks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I won't buy Sony music anymore, at least not their CDs =)
Comment sent to http://www.sonymusic.com/about/feedback.cgi
Another example of why DRM has a "Pure Evil" philosophy, and not a "Fair Use" one. - 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2FTA: ...burning a mix CD and giving it to our friends
Um, does this author have a hole in her head? That's the PROBLEM. STOP BURNING CDs AS THOUGH THE CONTENT WERE *YOUR* PROPERTY. IT'S NOT. Copying for the purpose of "sharing" is not fair use, either.
What Sony did was very sleazy, to be sure, and I hope the repercussions are such that other companies think carefully before trying something like this. But I sure as HELL wish people would get rid of this idea that they are ENTITLED to copy and *DISTRIBUTE* copyrighted material. Backups are fine. Medium shifting is fine. But "giving a copy to my friend" doesn't cut it. - PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This makes me hate Microsoft more than ever.
Why the hell should they let the simple act of inserting a CD allow the installation of software (a rootkit) which can hide the existence of software which is quietly controlling your computer? That's unimaginably stupid.
Apple for life - StuGazzO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1At the risk of repeating myself....
***** Sony, ***** DRM, and ***** all the corporate ass munches that just don't get it!
Spread the word people, speak with your wallet!
Molly Wood (hey, I just typed "Wood") has written an excellent article and I'll be posting a link to it on our corp. bulletin board.
We are losing more and more of our rights and freedoms every day people at the expense of big corporate dollars who spread FUD and hire high priced lobbyists to create laws that make no sense.
Keep up the good fight! - mattb5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hasn't anyone started a class action suit against Sony yet for infecting and breaking their computer without permission?
- rizon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Can't you just hold the shift key and stop this thing from installing?
- omnithrope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm tempted to make little stickers that say "WARNING: Installs a root kit" or something similar, and go down to my local music store to put them on albums that are known to install the DRM software.
This is really just rediculous. - Meshyf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hey Sony BMG I got a song for you
- 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1PathDaemon wrote: "This makes me hate Microsoft more than ever."
Unless I'm mistaken, it is possible to write auto install code on a Mac as well. The only real difference is that on a Mac the user is expected to type in their user name and password in order for the installation to take place. This is also the case on Windows PCs if the user is NOT running in the Microsoft equivalent of "root."
Unfortunately, running in "root" is commonplace for Windows setups but it isn't for UNIX based operating systems such as OS X. - emaf37, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Does this mean when the ps3 comes out you all will be boycotting it? Here's to getting this resolved until then.
- Dragular, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I just want to point out that while I'm all for the boycott, I would ask that you aim more towards Sony Music rather than Sony as a whole... odds are, SCEA found out about a rootkit at about the same moment as you did. Assuming they're "All evil" would be like me having a bad experience at a McDonalds in Washington State and never going to the local one here in Alabama ever again.
- foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1well, yesterday i refused to buy sony's music cd-rs, or "data" cd-rs for that matter, because of this. i'd tell anyone to stop buying their cds and download the music instead. apple, yahoo, and real are licensed to distribute sony/bmg music, however, napster is not, as far as i know (i've done a little research).
by the way, the author of this article co-hosts a podcast called "buzz out loud." she co-hosts it with tom merritt of "the real deal." it's a nice, short podcast (of indeterminate length) that comes out everyday and discusses the news in tech. - windwaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Open source FTW.
- Zac3010, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Can I say that I'm surprised that the same company that "stole" the idea for the joint venture that they had with Nintendo for the PlayStation is using Trojan technology to put DRM on our private computers? No I sadly can not. Kids, download music from the net and buy a 360 instead. Boycott this evil before us.
(Nintendo thought that Sony was becoming too greedy, and thus closed the deal between the two companies; Sony then made its own product with the technology from the first Nintendo CD attachment for the SNES. They didn't bother to rename it, and kept the name from the collaboration with Nintendo: "PlayStation".) - ahmerhussain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Uh.... Why are you guys getting music from sony in the first place?
- SCuM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wont say I will never buy their products again, but I will say that I am boycotting them and their companies until I see things improve, which may be never.
- Logal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the music sucks anyways, well, the majority of it.
- Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hooray for Molly Wood!
somebody had to say it... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It will only get worse cant wait tell they try to do it to dvds and outhers!
- 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm 110% against DRM and the DMCA. And while I'm at it, the RIAA, MPAA and toadying congress-critters are damned pathetic as well.
But in order for our pro Fair Use movement to take hold, we have to stop pirating, folks. We can't have it both ways. When friends, family and some people on Digg brag about how they are stealing music, video and software, we have to shoot them down.
By the way, just because BitTorrent is used to steal doesn't mean the technology itself should be outlawed. I use BitTorrent all the time (to download Diggnation, TWiT and other content) and never have I used it to steal. - imdigginthis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thomas Hesse of Sony BMG needs to find another job! Get a clue! This approach to DRM will produce a major consumer backlash. What are these guys thinking? Christmas is looking dark for the Sony Santa.
- SniperX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I dont say this basically ever, but when i finished reading this i said out loud:
"DAMN, that was a GOOD article" :)
And another note, lets follow the logic briefly...
-Sony gets annoyed at music downloading.
-Sony teams up with tech company to produce cd-copyright protection
-Sony installs root kits on all computers of people who PAID to use their product.
-???
-PROFIT!!!
Does anyone else see the failed logic here? Installing root kit-like kernel mode drivers on the computers of anyone who plays LEGALLY PURCHASED CDs.. will...somehow stop people who just download drm-free mp3s from the internet. Hmm.. - dptechie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Can't downloading software without the consumers knowlage or signing an agreement be considered a violation of the computer trespassing act?
- SirSid, on 05/27/2009, -0/+1Shocked and Appalled
- naked_violence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They should have to put a sticker on the wrapping of a warning of such actions.Doesn't sound much different than a virus either.If they don't warn you they should be treated as criminals also.
- leviathan3k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1brainspout:
That'd be slightly more effective if you noted your displeasure here:
http://www.sonymusic.com/about/feedback.cgi - Hattrick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I guess it is time to watch this and hope it resembles a countdown to extinction.
http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/summaryquote.asp?symbol=SNE%60&selected=SNE%60
SNE is their symbol in case the link is broken. - leviathan3k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And to anyone else who is calling any sort of filesharing the "reason" for this:
Please note that actions like this will only *promote* P2P usage. This means that people who actually decide to support the artists by buying their CDs wil be hurt by doing so. They get an object that is *less* valuable because of all this. People who get music from p2p have *greater* freedom with the content. As people realize this, they'll see that buying the CD is *really* not worth it. - brainspout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1YA KNOOOOOOOOOW...
This disgusting and pathetic news has made my decision MUCH easier - I'm buying a HDTV this weekend but I've been unable to decide between the SONY (better overall picture quality, but at a price) or the DELL (competitive picture but hella' better price).
Discovering that the SONY coorporation participates in illegal activities and knowingly install damaging malware / root kits on my computer has just earned a sale for DELL as I will never again purchase anything with the SONY name attached to it.
You cannot control us SONY, you are only destroying yourself and your customer base - GO F YOURSELF!
========== - Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ZrO-1
"There is no justification for stealing content. NONE. Getting music/movies/TV shows/programs through P2P networks is STEALING. "
I'd like to know how downloading TV shows is stealing... I never would have found out about many great shows such as firefly and Lost w/o having downloaded some of their episodes. I own both of their DVDs for Season 1. I am downloading Season 2 of Lost right now and will buy the DVD when it comes out. So how is this any more stealing then watching it on the TV and recording it on TiVO? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well then, I think I will continue to rip my CDs using a knoppix live CD.
+ digg - h00ligan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1for those who think microsoft is evile - sony beats them 10 fold.
- jagnum1fan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't know about y'all, but the *real* reason for the DRM on there CDs is to push Apple to allow Sony's proprietary format (.Atrac) to be on the iPod. I am really starting to get sick of the corporate side of things. Grr...
- penguinpc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Excellent article. Spread the word.
- theman8631, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I could go on about how ***** up this is but why beat a dead horse.
Past that, and past that its ***** not within the terms of "fair use," it is an incredibly stupid business decision.
In such a relationship based market you try to fulfil a need. You do a good job and you build customer loyalty, you don't try to corral current business with a cattle prod. If you do, things like this story happen, your customers will tell you to go ***** yourself, and others will follow.
Shady business practice, and bending laws I already expect from big business, but doing something at the expence of customer loyalty makes me loose faith in a companies business model. - hayden.evans, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1***** Sony, lets dump their cds in boston harbor!!
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