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- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39This comes as no surprise. The government is always dreaming up villains so they can spy on citizens. If you don't believe me read up. Here are your topics: Comic Books, after the government used them for propaganda in WWII they decided comics were corrupting our children, McCarthy and his evil Hollywood Commies, Satanic D&D players stalking the universities, and the list goes on. Ask me if you need more to read. At least they are consistent
- kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24The current administration, in lockstep with the Republican controlled Senate, House, and Supreme Court has repeatedly demonstrated outright contempt for the fourth amendment.
The thugs in charge see the constitution as an obstacle to their ends, rather than the definition of America.
( With the exception of Arlen Spectre (R). Who, while not a real great guy, has at least gone on record as being disturbed by the President, NSA, CIA and as of this morning FBI all feeling like they should no longer require warrants before spying on American Citizens. Support this man.)
If you value your freedom CALL your representatives. Don't email them. They don't read those. Fax them if you can. Every American has two senators and a rep in washington. If you haven't let all three of them know how you feel about this issue, you've only done half of your duty as a citizen. (presuming you voted. if you didn't bother to vote, well, theres a special place in hell for people who never gave a *****.) - johndi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Did you notice I mentioned the fake threats not the real ones? I understand the difference, do you? There are plenty of laws addressing child porn. I thought it was rather amusing when one of the big cats at Homeland Security got caught, the laws are working. This bill is something more in line with past government witch hunts.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21That assumes that the government is honest.
- DougPenn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23Read Orwell's 1984 book, and be amazed just how close we're coming to it.
- shortkid422, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Wow...This is just ridiculous. Congress once again hides behind "Child Pornographers" as a means to invoke fear within the general public and then try to get away with anything.
Great quote here: "We're seeing a kind of hysteria reminiscent of the McMartin case. The result will be privacy that goes away and doesn't come back when the foolishness is exposed."
So true :( - johndi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18No one said 1984 was evidence, most people think of it as a precautionary tale.
- rhawk301, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18@benlevon Building 7 came down in a freefall, planned demolition. Even the building owner says they did it. My question to you, is how did they rig the whole building to come down in a planned "pull", when it takes many days to rig a building of that size. They would have had the explosives there already, and planned to pull it prior to the trade center explosions. I am not personally ready to believe our "government" planned and executed the 9/11 attacks, but couldn't it have been some black-ops covert faction, thinking they are doing to the country a favor? Or perhaps a shady business consortium with Silverstein planned the whole thing to rake in the insurance money...Like that isn't too far fetched. How many millions did he make?
I mean come on, everyone is getting used to a police state now, we all don't give a second glance at law enforcement going through our things all in the name of security. In fact, with many of the new provisions in the Patriot act, and the DMCA law enforcement can raid your home on the suspicion of wrong doing. In many cases now, no warrants are required. It seems to me, that comic books, and sharing music gives the government a pretty good grasp on keeping its population in check. :)
Lets not do anything wrong, or lest we get thrown into some hell-hole. Everyone will obey the law, once everything is outlawed right? Huh? Everyone will be a criminal in short while, therefore making the law enforcement task really easy. - millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17"Liberals like you hate America and make me sick.
I love my country, and that means ensuring you don't screw it up."
The worst part about the current situation are these blind republican sympathizers who OK anything the administration does in the name of "PATRIOTISM." They think that the republican party is the only real American party and that the democrats/liberals are some foreign race of communists that somehow found there way living here (even though the Democrat party predates the republican party).
"WHAT?! You don't agree with George W. reading your Internet history?!? You're an AMERICA HATER!!!!!" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22It's time for a 3rd party.
F the Repubacrat party! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15@kremvax
Did you know Arlen Specter came up with the single bullet theory? It's pretty frightening when that guy says he's disturbed by the current administration. - nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20***** all kinds of you, benlevon.
- adolfojp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Child porn and terrorism are the keys to the constitution.
- MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Oakes, you have somewhat of a point. But the laws are never that specific. The snooping would be used for everything possible under the sun. They wouldn't just leave it at child pornographers.
When have they ever NOT used a law for more than what they're meant? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Yes, "problems" like the Bill of Rights.
- nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14The time is now. Tired of your freedom getting pounded in the pooper?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Libertarian_Party - vpetro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13There is a difference between trying to catch child pornographers and spying on everyone in the country. With all the laws this administration has passed they can come to your house and put you away for nothing without even telling you why you're being put away.
Like the article says there are already two laws that address this situation. ISPs do generally comply when asked for data on child pornographers.
This is especially interesting in light of the recent case against AT&T who is passing information to NSA for no particular reason. With the laws the way they are currently AT&T and NSA are toast because there is no reason for one to be asking for info on everyone and for the other to provide it without a warrant or cause. This new law basically makes the case against AT&T invalid. Under the new law, as far as i understand, the information would be available to every police officer for any reason. There is a difference between trying to catch pornographers and gathering data on everyone. - GhostFreeman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Terrorism and Child Porn are the root passwords to the constitution.
The sad thing is everyone will fall for it. ***** this *****, i'm moving. - vpetro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Oakes,
if a person is a suspected terrorist the US Gov can do pretty much whatever they want with that person. it is like being a communist during the McCarthy era or not being a communist in the old Soviet Union.
The thing is, if they want to catch child pornographers then the data should only be available to those who investigate child pornography and even then they should have to prove that it is the reason they are asking for the data. When i think about the this I compare it to phone companies recording every conversation on the phones. I mean it is almost the same thing.
Bottom line, i think this invades privacy more than it helps to catch criminals. - ReqX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I bet the RIAA is doing a bit of lip licking and grinning right now.
- Aeiri, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Democrats are ridiculously stupid. Republicans are also equally stupid.
This polarization of this country of people trying to restrict our freedoms in one way (personal freedoms for republicans), and the other party trying to restrict our freedoms in ANOTHER way (economic freedoms for democrats), is just plain ridiculous. You both hate freedom, so get your heads out of your asses.
As for this issue, I can't understand how anyone can support this violation of the fourth amendment, it's just sick. Why not just install cameras in everyone's homes? That way, if someone decides to do something you consider immoral like masturbate, pay someone to have sex with them, inject herion, eat too much food, beat themselves with a bat, put up a bear trap in their living room, oversleep and be late for work, or not brush their teeth twice a day, you can be ready to arrest them. - vpetro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10hmm. why does everyone dismiss the law as soon as they hear it?
i think because this administration is becoming known for these laws as well as massive data gathering on the citizens. Also, these DRM related things keep floating in the Congress. On the one side they are restricting the use of what you/I rightfully own. On the other hand they are gathering more and more information on me. Another thing is that the people in power are technically there because we (the voting masses) put them there. They are supposed to be protecting our interests. So, why is my privacy being invaded? The principle of the American justice system (heh) is that it is better to let a guilty man go than to wrongfully put an innocent man in prison. The recent activity in the Congress seems to be slowly reversing that policy. The problem is not really a single bill. The problem is what a combination of bills can do. The more information the gov has on the citizen the more they can do for or about those citizens. By gathering information on web usage the gov can confirm whether a particular statement or policy made by them is being well received. However, they can also scan the net for people who do not agree with those policies and have them put away on the supspicion of being a terrorist. These thing just worry me.
There is a lesson to be learned from what happened in Soviet Union and China. Civil rights were and are being abused and there is nothing an average person can do about it. I really dont want another country to go down the same path. It doesn't lead to anything good. It usually ends in revolutions. - youareretarded, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11It's not just the republicans, it's democrats too! They all need to go!
- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Don't mean to scare you, but Oregon is already considering that. They claim it's so they can tax miles put on a vehicle. Because an odometer just isn't intrusive enough.
- upenox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@benloven: Your bias and denial make you oblivious; or just really stupid.
- DougPenn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I'm sick of these career politicians voting on my Internet rights. Those 70-year old morons don't even read the legislation they're voting on - the aids do it - watch CSPAN and you'll see the aids whispering bill details into their ears. Only thing they know about the internet is how to turn on their Dell computers and check AOL email...
VOTE THESE ARSES OUT! Get some fresh faces in there, who know better than to push legislation like this. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Data retention for 1 year? Wouldn't that take several terabytes of space for an ISP?
- millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Does anyone remember the South Park episode...
"Proposition 24 is all about... CHILDREN. You don't HATE children, do you??" - mscf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7As I read it, it is data retention up until 1 year after you discontinue service...
- JohnboiWaltune, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"When we talk about war, we're really talking about peace.." - George W Bush
"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength" -- George Orwell, "1984" - nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7i think total internet surveillance would cause more trauma than a few child rapists. a few kids may be better off, but you know damn well that they'll rope "terrorists" in with this as well, and they can fit a lot of people under that label.
- Smeed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11This administration sucks. They say they will use this info to combat child porn but you know they are going to be pull evidence from it for every other problem they have.
- lost84001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7As someone from Colorado, I apologize for this silly bitch. She's not from my district though.... I'd vote against her next time if I could. :-(
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"haven't read the law in question, and I doubt anyone here has. I'm not saying it is picture-perfect. I'm sighing out loud because it is automatically being dismissed without any investigating."
I've read the draft for the amendment and it's quite broad in it's scope. The article links to a PDF with the draft in it. http://energycommerce.house.gov/108/Markups/04262006/degette_001_XML.PDF
What kind of investigating would have us do? Should everybody have their data retained potentially until a year after they cancel their subscription to their ISP? Let's not forget that the FBI has NSLs that allow it demand information from businesses (records etc etc) without court approval or judical oversight. This is rip for fishing expeditions and abuse by law enforcement and big copyright holders if proposed copyright changes go into effect that would allow them impound ISP records.
Encrypted proxy technology like TOR makes it relatively easy for childporn and other criminal activity to slip through. All this does is damage the little privacy we have left while likely do little to stop criminals.
This administration has shown out right hostility to criticism and constitutional protected descent. This could very well be used to take that hostility to new levels. - HeapMalloc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7For Congress to get the walk up call that this is infringing on a citizen's privacy, someone needs to dig up the browsing habits of a few Congressmen. I'd bet this bill would die in a hurry if it were found out that Congressmen were browsing porn, gambling, warez, or any other site that isn't deemed to be politically correct site.
What's next... A global GPS tracking system in everyone's vehicle where they track everyplace a vehicle visits and keep those records for at least a year after the vehicle is sold? While sounding completely far fetched, this is a physical world example of what there asking to do. - pacificdave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@johndi: crap. investigated your comment and found many articles on that. funny i never heard it. some crazy stuff especially if you're planning to buy a hybrid.
@all: sorry i'm off topic.... - rtilford, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8We have had this in europe for a few months now.
- DougPenn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Get a web proxy, and get it soon. The ones with URL masking are especially good. A couple links to get you started (or search google for "anonymous surfing"):
http://www.the-cloak.com/anonymous-surfing-home.html
http://www.anonymizer.com
http://www.thefreecountry.com/security/anonymous.shtml - hutch113, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@oakes
We aren't just outright dismissing the law without investigating it. We are remembering the ideals of the Constitution and then seeing what these new laws and ideas for laws are and what they mean to the ideals of the Constitution.
It's not that we are saying that we don't want these logs to be saved because it would show that we are downloading porn or whatever, it's that it is infringing on our freedoms. - ChiKoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Gotta love them Repubs.
They're always so smart with their policies!
Douches... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I needn't say more than this:
http://revradio.org/movies/ml.wmv
Watch the _whole_ thing before commenting. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5If the government is going to treat you like a criminal anyway, you might as well commit some crimes that make money.
- shortkid422, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Don't forget the Mafia (M.A.F.I.A.A.)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm sure this is not evidence of any global plan.
- PrayerNeeder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4..meanwhile, if you call 911, the call recording may last around 90 days...
- positron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Force Congress to read the bills they pass. Support the Read The BIlls Act!
http://www.downsizedc.org/read_the_laws.shtml - rhawk301, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@Oakes your'e really a dumbass. A lot of us are reading this ammedment. In fact, I just did again because you asked me to. Here is the text for everyone else. Another thing, this ammendment is based on the "Internet" which is comprised of TCP/IP which could mean any number of related and connected networks. Technically, this puts data retention and records investigation in a whole bunches of places. This is not only bad for privacy, but in order to comply with this law, some ISP's and service providers will spend a lot more money on retention. Not all providers are big ones with lots of money you know.
REQUIRED.— Within 90 days after the date of enactment of this section, the Commission shall prescribe regulations requiring each provider of Internet access services to retain records to permit the identification of subscribers to such services for appropriate law enforcement purposes. Such records shall, in accordance with such regulations, be retained for not less than one year after a subscriber ceases to subscribe to such services.
‘‘(b) DEFINITION.—For purposes of this section:
‘‘(1) INTERNET.—The term ‘Internet’ means the combination of computer facilities and electromagnetic transmission media, and related equipment and software, comprising the interconnected worldwide network of computer networks that employ the Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol or any successor protocol to transmit information.
‘‘(2) INTERNET ACCESS SERVICE.—The term ‘Internet access service’ means a service that enables
10 users to access content, information, electronic mail, or other services offered over the Internet, and may also include access to proprietary content, information, and other services as part of a package of services offered to consumers. Such term does not include telecommunications services.’’. - hutch113, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4True, everyone probably doesn't fully understand every single detail of the law, and part of that is that not every single detail is available. And that fact too is scary considering that the citizens are not even being fully informed about everything.
And, no, it's not a conspiracy theory that the government and corporations don't want us to know everything about them. Many people just don't care, laws don't have cool graphics. It's sad not only with some of the things that the government is doing, but it's even sadder that so many people just don't know/care about it.
It's good that you are asking us to investigate the laws further as most of us aren't legal scholars, but most of us can understand a good portion of what the law is saying and then what the intent behind that law really is. - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This title is great, I couldn't have made this up if I tried. Things are changing quickly, don't accept it. Understand that your rights are rapidly eroding.
Checks and balances are also not being used, things are certainly getting interesting. It will be a challenge to elude these measures, but I am game.
benlevon - I understand what you are saying, but be careful about blind trust of those that claim to be protecting you. I am all about not dying from a terrorist threat -- but wouldn't it be easier to act smarter and not spy on citizens? We have to be under the scope all the time because our intelligence can't seem to do it any other way? I guarantee you that whatever pretense these measures are set up for, will not always be used in strict accordance to those measures. What if 2 administrations from now there is some guy that decides to start using this data for something even more Orwellian? There is little we can do then, it's about making sure that we don't let our leader's ends justify the means.
Not that the WTC demolition project has much to do with this article, I will say someone has been doing their homework! I am very interested in all the facts around this - the insurance policy taken out 2 months before, Giuliani conveniently being located away from the WTC, the practice drills going on that day preparing for the same exact situation that seemed to confuse ATCs, controlled demolition, etc. I never doubted that someone wanted to hurt us on that day -- in fact I knew in my mind that this was al Queda the minute I turned on the TV that morning. But, that is how we know it was a well executed plan isn't it?
I think it's sick that politicians use their time in power to profit and help their friends help them after they are long gone -- selling us out. That should be one of the worst crimes to society. I would really like to see something change with our system, it is not working as it should. Private interests of our elected officials should be non-existent. As humans, they can't do that, that's why they need more laws passed against them; not more laws to control the populace! - kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3moving, eh? The cowards way out!
Me, I'm staying and fighting to help get America on its feet again. The principles that made our country, at times, great, and are so clearly despised by the current regime are worth fighting for. I'm going to work hard to get them out of their office, and force the next crew to do a better job. It will take a generation to fix the messes Bush and Co have left us will. Maybe two. But there have been shining moments in our history when America was the country others wanted to be like. If everyone thows up their hands and leaves it to these thugs, it won't ever be the land of the free again. Can't let that happen.... Nope -
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