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- Yookji, on 08/03/2008, -2/+349McAfee, Symantec, etc. hate what he's doing because he's proving how useless their software is.
- rhino5, on 08/03/2008, -7/+290If you can write a good virus and show that you can write a good virus, you'll have security companies calling you for your resume. Same goes for 'hacking'.
- person425, on 08/03/2008, -3/+119Go pick up Greg Hoglund's rootkits book, and you can learn everything you need to know about writing viruses that bypass all major AV. It's not hard. AV vendors do everything with signature detection, and don't really give 2 craps about your virus unless it becomes widespread in the wild.
Also, doesn't every university have a malware class? I wrote viruses, rootkits, and exploits when I was an undergrad too. - mynameistux, on 08/03/2008, -29/+115Its called cracking.
Hacking is the GOOD, helpful modification and improvement of software, for the benefit of the community
cracking, is being malicious, and trying to do things you are not supposed to. - Jacob, on 08/03/2008, -4/+83He didn't say if you release a good virus or if you hack a website you will get a good job. He said if you show that you can. Something that kid didn't know anything about was restraint, just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do something.
- spony99, on 08/03/2008, -1/+65every security expert has the choice of being black hat or white hat, the information is out there so it comes down to a personal decision as to how they will use this knowledge. this class sounds like a great idea because they are learning in a controlled environment and with a teacher who can influence their decisions on what is right and wrong.
- gavin422, on 08/03/2008, -1/+63Are you calling these kids "crackers"?
Racist. - darienphoenix, on 08/03/2008, -1/+56I have a rock I'd like to sell you.
- thedude42, on 08/03/2008, -0/+48If you look closer... windowless AND underground.... because when I'm in an underground lab, I love the view from the windows down there. I find myself staring at the root structure of the trees for hours....
- ventralnet, on 08/03/2008, -4/+48most of my comp sci labs in school were windowless or dual boot
- mijelh, on 08/03/2008, -0/+44Au contraire, If nobody develops malware, McAfee & Symantec are useless
- mynameistux, on 08/03/2008, -6/+45also,
lol@ windowless lab, that has to be a good thing. - MtheoryX, on 08/03/2008, -2/+40n00b fail.
- Brennan, on 08/03/2008, -0/+31BRAIN?? KERNEL?? SOMEONE TALK TO ME
- hellride66, on 08/03/2008, -0/+29have no fear....I is here
- elnerdo, on 08/03/2008, -4/+32Yeah, but I haven't used any anti-virus, anti-malware, etc since 2004, and I have never gotten a virus, either.
- hellride66, on 08/03/2008, -11/+39part of the cirriculum is to watch the movie "Hackers"
"RABBIT........FLU SHOT...........RABBIT" - DocHoliday22, on 08/03/2008, -7/+35Not always the case. A student a few years ago from my university hacked a piece of software at the NHS to reveal private customer information including bank details. What happened? - He got prosecuted. Even though the software company acknowledged that he had contacted them about their security problem and even attempted to repair himself. The public finally saved him from the slammer.
- alibasbas, on 08/03/2008, -4/+31What's wrong with what he is doing?!? Haven't you guys heard EC-Council's Certified Ethical Hacker (CEH) Certification Program?!? How is this different from that?!?
More info is available at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certified_Ethical_Hac ...
This topic (ethical hacing) is really old news!!!
By the way, what they are doing are just in LAB environment!!! It's not as if they are spreading malware to the Internet (although they technically can)!!! - thenonhacker, on 08/03/2008, -3/+30OR they are happy because of the Joker-Batman synergy. "You Complete Me."
- 1Bad, on 08/03/2008, -5/+31I am a CS student at SSU, I never took this particular class but can attest that Dr. Ledin is an amazing professor. In all his classes he is looking to challenge students to write unique and cutting edge programs that will bring attention to our field and our department. Rather than teach the standard crap that most CS students can recycle in their sleep, he brings an air of importance to class which is more like an open forum than a lecture. George is actually employed by Pixar and has taught an amazing course on computer graphics which focused on the core algorithms needed for rasterization and rendering rather than on any specific API. Anyways, he is a great guy and it is cool that he is getting recognition for his unique style.
@ruddy: Not everyone started programming in 9th grade. Noone cares if your wrote a key logger before someone else. I personally didn't even know what programming entailed until a few years ago yet our school has given me all the tools required to land a top position at one of the largest software companies in the world. - TotalHalibut, on 08/03/2008, -0/+25It's a K6 chip, triple the speed of a pentium....
- MtheoryX, on 08/03/2008, -2/+25I'll disagree. Simply "doing things you are not supposed to" is not a definition of cracking, nor is it inherently malicious.
Intent is the key here in distinguishing hacking from cracking.
What if your intent is learning? So, you try breaking into software systems to gain access to personal information. You don't "intend" on doing anything with it; rather, you just want to learn how to get in, or you want to verify that all the theory you're learning is applicable to a real world system.
What would you call that? You're effectively doing something malicious, but your intent is learning, which is good. - xXShadowstormXx, on 08/03/2008, -5/+26wtf? He's correct.
- iJessicaRabbit, on 08/03/2008, -4/+23Firesale!
- Rudegar, on 08/03/2008, -1/+18hacking used to be the term of getting access to a closed system by cheating it or pretending to be somebody you were not
and cracking was breaking a code or encryption of typical software piracy relation - Tulle, on 08/03/2008, -13/+30Anyone who tries to correct you for using the term "hacker" in its most commonly used context is a douchebag.
- ianthepetrock, on 08/03/2008, -5/+22@mynameistux
Why can't people like you just understand that "hack" has two meanings? It's not like 20-30 years ago where hack only meant to modify something to make it more useful. Hacking is now known to most people as being bad, there's no reason to try to change that. Hacking has a good meaning and a bad meaning. - firebhaal, on 08/03/2008, -0/+16Wanna be hackers? Code crackers? Slackers. Wastin' time with all the chatroom yakkers?
- lead2thehead, on 08/03/2008, -1/+17Every good engineer knows how to hack. In order to properly secure a system, you have to know what the attack vectors are so you can defend against them.
- etherreal, on 08/03/2008, -0/+16RISC is going to change everything!
- inactive, on 08/03/2008, -2/+17This is a good thing. A friend of mine use to be a "Professional MMOG Hacker" and now he works for a mmog dev company making sure the code is hard to hack.
So there ya go. - Disease, on 08/03/2008, -0/+15Your machine works perfectly because I haven't done anything with the trojan yet. Don't start crying when your screen turns into a laughing skull.
- sysop073, on 08/03/2008, -0/+15I don't know if signing up 5 months ago qualifies as "new here"
- paradigmx, on 08/03/2008, -2/+17I run Linux /thread
- Coottie, on 08/03/2008, -1/+15No not all Universities teach about this stuff. In fact, I begged my professors to add a class on the subject but we were trying to get ABET accreditation and they didn't want to anger the ABET gods.
Thanks for the suggestions on the books!
Perhaps it's just me but it seems irresponsible to grant bachelor's degrees in CS without at least one class in viruses, malware, root kits and all that other stuff that seem so common place today. - eddie72, on 08/03/2008, -0/+14McAfee has been useless for years. I don't see how it stays on the shelf.
- Lucian0, on 08/03/2008, -0/+13I dont get this, any good computer security class will show you how stuff can be compromised. Would you go to a cooking class that just showed you the finished product, and not how to put the dish together? Would you go to a security class that didnt show you how virus/worm/encryption works?
As more devices are connected to the internet, they must be secured somehow. How do you know what to use in order to protect yourself? Would you rather blindly trust symantec/mcaffe/etc...?
Furthermore, knowing about programming vulnerabilities lets you as a programmer review your own code to make sure there are none of these mistakes, such as buffer overruns.
Knowledge is power, but you shouldnt fear it. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to the Dark Side. - ftlmale, on 08/03/2008, -0/+13Most systems are vulnerable due to the fact that there are so few "good" engineers.
- terajoule, on 08/03/2008, -1/+14How do I reach these kiiiddsss?
- Incomp3tnt, on 08/03/2008, -0/+13WHOOOOOOOSH!
- TeamBaldwin, on 08/03/2008, -0/+129 to 5 chillin' at Hewlett Packard
- lgh0s7l, on 08/03/2008, -1/+13!!!
- Ezxen, on 08/03/2008, -1/+13kinda like being a jedi
- mafax, on 08/03/2008, -0/+11Spandex!!!!
- roflbrothel, on 08/03/2008, -2/+13Are you really this stupid or are you trolling?
- hellride66, on 08/03/2008, -1/+11"I NEED A HANDLE"
- inactive, on 08/03/2008, -1/+11Ummm...
This was special topics in information security class for me. I'm sure most schools teach this. - SniperZero, on 08/03/2008, -1/+11"They thought it was the only way I would get a date"
If only it was like that for digg users. -
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