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- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42"That's about as ***** as patents get."
O RLY. How about Microsoft's patent of the Double Click? (Patent #6727830). How about Microsoft's patent of the task list (#6748582), CSS (#5860073), or application-based error reporting? (#6629267). How about Microsoft's patent of Unix's sudo (#6775781)? [For those who want to look at the patent: go to Google, copy the patent number, and type in "Us Patent #", for example, "US Patent #6727830". The URLs are all too long to paste here] - elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+38I hate the patent system more and more every day.
- brenthals, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33I hate the fact that every other page (it seems) in Playboy has nude women.
- swanny89, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32Imagine that, a technology news site reporting news about the top three tech companies in the world.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Bah, the patent amazingly obvious. They patented imbedding objects in webpages. That's about as ***** as patents get.
- tehJR, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9lol, 'shorted-out'
you probably used Windows Update to update your soundcard drivers. That is a no no for the most part. - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I'd love to bash MS on this but anything that makes ActiveX harder to use is alright with me. Good job guys.
- leszek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11you forgot linux ;)
- dWhisper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8They're only going after Microsoft for now, but eventually, big Bill will bite you in the hand, and they'll have to find other revenue streams. I'd like to blame Microsoft for things like this, but bogus patents seem to be the way of the tech industry.
Personally, I think there should be a rule that if the patent clerk at any point says "Yeah, well, *****' duh" when reviewing the patent, it should be thrown out. - funchango, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Yah, no kidding....i can't believe there aren't more articles about compaq, and acer, and ask.com....those sure are some pioneering companies and products....
*sarcasm* - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You could use Quicktime Alternative if you didn't pay for Quicktime Pro already.
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/QuickTime_Alternative.htm - morcheeba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Anyone remember MSDOS 6.21? It removed DoubleSpace disk compression:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoubleSpace - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Solution: Upgrade to a modern browser, unaffected by the Eolas patent. Excellent choices include:
Firefox (http://www.getfirefox.com )
Opera (http://www.opera.com )
Safari (http://www.apple.com/safari/ ). - saleens281, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4title should be "why software patents should be abolished".
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Not only is the answer "Yes", but admins have known it for years. About 10 years ago, the admins at the company I worked for standardized on NT SP4, even though 6 had been recently released.
- nstern2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yeah this update was a pain. We have a few users in the office that were using hp share to web (who knows why) and it killed some functionality in ms office and IE.
- JohnnySoftware, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This carping about an irksome feature that suddenly become awkward to use - following a quarter or two of advance notice, is kind of absurd.
All the ActiveX controls stored on all the hard disks around the world are directly tied to the OS API. So they are going to break completely in unison if that ever changes anyway. This is just a tiny taste of that and any architect worth his salt has already taken that into account and calculated the lifetime of his application accordingly.
The change to Windows made by the recent Windows Update does not effect any standard stuff, just ActiveX, and only in web pages. Standard approaches accomplish the same thing as an ActiveX control - without using an ActiveX control.
- Java applet(s) running under Sun's Java plugin
- Java Web Start (which can download/run native code apropos to user's platform, where ActiveX only supported one platform, as long as vendor has signed his work and user agrees to accept/trust it)
- HTML forms (and XHTML)
- CSS
- XSLT, XML, etc.
- Javascript, DHTML, DOM
- server-side processing
These technologies are cross platform. Applications that use them will endure changes to a particular vendor's OS API really well. Likewise, they can handle a change of CPU. They can also possibly work on more than one platform. If Microsoft starts offering MS Linux for $29.99, you can bet that would be a nice capability for anyone.
Here. Take Java, for instance. If Microsoft redid their way that apps did graphics, Sun would have to make that one change to one program - their JAVA virtual machine. Application developers would not have to rewrite their applications, however. And users would not have to update/replace all of their applications, just the Sun JVM on their computer.
There are darned few applications that would not be easily accomplished using some combination of the technologies listed above.
Those that would not are probably so system-specific or require such specialized GUIs that they probably should not be running in a web page to begin with. There are lots of other contexts to run in beside a web page. Web pages are pretty poor for _some_ things. - sibhod, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I would agree, except that as a web developer you have to embrace the ugly truth that the lionshare of users will be on IE. This might attack MS directly, but it just causes a headache for all the interweb designers and developers out there.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7And you've actually TRIED Vista you stupid *****, or are you just blindly blasting MS like the other lemmings with absolutely no loves outside of Apple? Seriously...get laid. Even if you have to pay for it, which you obviously would.
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3God I hate the patent system. Although I'm secretly happy that this may affect ActiveX in some small way, this seems wrong. We need a __***FAR***__ more rigorous review process for patent applications. ie. NO ***** PATENTS FOR STUPID ***** LIKE THIS.
- TedTschopp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3 chaospenumbra,
This patch has no way what-so-ever to effect Firefox. Period End of Story. Unless of course you are using IE to render pages in Firefox. I don't think the patch effected the embedding of objects in side the IE object, but I'd have to test that. If I remeber correctly, some of my HTML editors were not effected becuase they used the IE object for rendering the HTML in the 'View in a browser' mode. - alterself, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2this breaks my works web based PACS system....so much for 'staying up to date'
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Wasn't it a downgrade when SP2 disabled messenger service? Sometimes the OS gives more power than home users need.
- ramsinks.com, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have fixed about 7 PC's this week because of an update and HP software.. nasty.
move that DLL.
has nothing to do with what browser you use. If you have HP software and this patch - good luck shutting down XP. :) - ippersiel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2SP2 also disabled some VPN connections
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Eh, too late now. Besides, if I would have tinyurl'd them I probably would have continued with ***** company patents for days... such as the soundbyte patent (http://tinyurl.com/4nzz5 or #6784354 Google method), or the "pressing tab to move to the next link" patent (http://tinyurl.com/45uys or #6785865), or the "playing music by pressing a link" patent (#6005563, http://tinyurl.com/fu6wf ) or the "showing an image link has been pressed by putting a purple box around it" patent (#5983244, http://tinyurl.com/glrdl )...
- chaospenumbra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow, this explains why my Quicktime movies have ugly vertical bars on them since about last week. I'm very upset over this. Anyone else with the same problem? Anyone got a solution?
- Lexrst, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3FYI: The IE7 beta so far is unaffected by this 'patch' (at least on my system, anyway). In fact, it's not showing up in my list of installed patches (in Add/Remove Programs).
You can read MS's description of the update here (along with the long list of 'Known Issues'): http://support.microsoft.com/kb/912945 - chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i work in tech support, and this patch doubled our call volume for a few days... thanks microsoft :(
- anagami, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2"O RLY. How about Microsoft's patent of the Double Click? (Patent #6727830). How about Microsoft's patent of the task list (#6748582), CSS (#5860073), or application-based error reporting? (#6629267). How about Microsoft's patent of Unix's sudo (#6775781)? [For those who want to look at the patent: go to Google, copy the patent number, and type in "Us Patent #", for example, "US Patent #6727830". The URLs are all too long to paste here]"
...you can use http://www.tinyurl.com
They can have the double click, I see it as yet on more step to do simple tasks (it should be click & release ...or click & drag).
I'm glad there's not worldwide patents yet. - Ahnteis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Yeah. That's a genius way to lose business.
You: It's microsoft, not us.
Customer: Screw you, I'm buying from your competitor. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If you were using Windows Software Update Services in your company you could have blocked the patch.
You have a choice. Use the knowledge. - bobgb4, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4... simple answer ... yes
- Soulhuntre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You do know that both frameworks can be run simultaneously right?
- tapo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Er, wouldn't blocking that patch also block the security fixes that were bundled with it?
- kindrobot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Even more ludicrously, the patent was upheld even after the web's inventor, Sir Tim Berners-Lee, and others wrote to the US Patent Office asking for it to be declared invalid."
Something is fishy at the US patent office. - pauldonnelly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Face it. You don't even know what "shorted out" means.
- jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Probably not retard
- teatree, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This isn't the first time either. Microsoft "downgraded" DOS 6.0 with the 6.22 upgrade that removed Stacker's doublespacing from DOS.
- keltonator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1http://digg.com/security/Latest_IE_Security_Patch_Will_Break_Browser_For_Some_Users
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1nstern2 > Yeah this update was a pain. We have a few users in the office that were using hp share to web (who knows why) and it killed some functionality in ms office and IE.
The more "functionality" in IE that Microsoft kill with their badly thought-out "fixes", the better for the rest of us. The poor performance, poor "security" and general non-compliance of IE is ruining the web for the intelligent user. - Splitt3rxx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I have an Hp(compaq) and have had no problems, what is the issue, what Hp software?
- seanmc303, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Man I was really wanting to say Triple true but I can't agree with you on this one.
I was a little excited when I heard about this update because I thought, "Nice. Another nail in IE's coffin," but unfortunately too many people use IE and I hate the fact that I am going to have to develop web apps with this in mind.
Flash based navigation is screwed with this "update". Everybody who hates Flash and loves all pages on the internet to look exactly the same can throw a big old party because Flash designers can no longer embed custom navigation components that don't require a stupid activation click.
***** EOLAS AND HIS GREEDY ASS! - chaospenumbra, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I use the latest Firefox. ALL of my QT movies are affected, even if they are not in the browser.
- LostSoul83, on 02/14/2009, -0/+0Sure it can. I'm reminded of a certain "genuine advantage notification" which would run in the background, slowing down your PC and doing nothing to benefit you in any way. This is why I always read what updates do before I install them. Don't forget about not being able to uninstall it, which is illegal when third parties do that, but not when MS does it...
- AstroPHX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4"As a web developer, your allegiance should be to your code, and to the W3C. Bending to work for IE's isoteric behaviors is what has made the web the awful mess that it is. If people complain that your site doesn't work correctly, divert their calls to Microsoft Customer Service and suggest a more standard's compliant browser such as Firefox or Opera."
BULL CRAP. This doesn't affect Firefox because Eloas has chosen not to go after them. The implementation of embedding Flash objects is the same across those two browsers. Eloas has simply chosen to beat the hell out of the rich guy, rather than go after ALL of the patent infringers. - jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2They're not unaffected. They infringe just as much, but Eolas doesn't see getting any $$$ out of them over a win.
- dotrock, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Downgrade?? OR uninstall or rollback?
- H2SO4, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4"On the other hand, making it harder to run applets in a browser may not always be a bad thing. A lot of them are rubbish, and some of us are already doing what we can to block them."
Double TRUE! - ghettobacon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1actually just today, i uninstalled .net framework 1.1 and installed 2.0, the problem is that when u run microsoft update, they want to install 1.1 back. So yea i can believe it definetly IS a downlgrade sometimes
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