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- LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -6/+42And this from the people who made the spy lifestyle COOL with 007.
Big surprise anyone? - TruthElixirX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34See title? "Western" is in it'; Chinese != West.
- Superthug, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32Reminds me of V For Vendetta...
- cadavreexquis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25I lived in the US for many years but recently moved to the UK.
CCTV really is everywhere, short of stalls in public toilets. Frankly I don't know what it's supposed to accomplish. Last night we watched from the balcony of a small cinema as a brawl of about 20 pissed up youths was escalating in the middle of a street with not a cop in sight. Now, maybe if the CCTV's dispensed a police car whenever trouble was brewing... meh. I don't get it. - Chairboy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27This is a preview of what we will soon enjoy here in the US as well. England has had a jump on the US when it comes to the implementation of an Orwellian paradise, but we're working double time to try and catch up.
Those who choose to give up essential liberty for temporary security should really demand only the finest quality surveillance products are purchased with their tax dollars. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23But that was when we only had our pics taken 100 times a day ;)
- lordmetroid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25I belive we can observed a cooked frog here... Gradual rise in temperature will make the frog acclimatise himself and so not feel the heat that otherwise would make the frog leave the water hence becoming cooked.
- cadavreexquis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Forgot to add: escaping the watchful eye of the CCTV is easy and low-tech: wear a hoodie. Apparently there is now talk of banning them.
- justinjacobs, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22@TruthElixirX
It is if you go the other way. :D - dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19 People hate security cameras but when a TV camera crew is on the street everyone jumps up and down trying to be seen.
- lordmetroid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16EU made a directive that about all records of communication has to be stored. This includes Internet traffic. E-mails, telephone conversation, triangulation of cellphones and so on by whoever primary handles the information(ISP, telephone companies and so on).
The head propagator for this directive to be written was the former Minister of Justice Thomas Bodström in Sweden(Same man involved in the Pirate Bay Affair of minister involvement in a specific case which is illegal in Sweden). He wanted to go even further but luckily he didn't get all his wishes thru to the document.
This directive has been filed as breaking human rights and other treaties by a numerous number of EU memberstates. - DJcrayon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16“The little girl was overheard saying, ‘My dad bonked me last night’. A dinner lady heard this and reported it to the school authorities,” Thomas said. Social services discovered that the girl was referring to her father tapping her playfully on the head with an inflatable hammer."
wow... - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Every ISP in Britain keeps a complete archive of all E-Mails for the past 2 years which the government can check up on at any point.
This is why I've moved exclusively to googlemail even if they do keep backups at least the US government doesn't have instant access rights to all their backups.
//edit - of course this isn't perfect but is a better solution than doing nothing.// - Zarks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Britain is only England, Wales & Scotland. UK is short for 'United Kingdom of britain & Northan Ireland'
- speezer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Good time to open a business selling wigs, fake moustaches & beards, and rubber noses.
- JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I'll get the masks and orange spray paint.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12The police have a right to demand any encryption keys from you currently.
- plingboot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13"scotsland, wales and northern islands."
Brilliant! - SniperGX1, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19Its nice that you don't feel bad about it. I think the issue us Americans have is that we are not used to the police state yet. We will tho, or will end up tortured until we do.
- farther, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him? Apparently he's the only man who walked into Parliament that had noble intentions; sounds about right.
- Improfane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11They can't see me if I don't go outside!
- KyotoWolf, on 10/12/2007, -11/+22ok just so everyone knows Britain is not just England its Wales, Scotland and Northern Island too
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Technically Britain is the big island with England, Scotland and Wales. The UK includes Northern Ireland and dependancies (Gilbraltor, Channel Islands etc...)
- triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15foshizol the UK has more violent crimes per capita then the US. you don't need a gun to do someone harm.
- Sassanix, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16but China isn't a free country like England.
- LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11UK? don't you mean Oceania?
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10You could also wear a veil potentially. No wait a minute, they are talking about banning them too.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12This is what happens when interfering Neo-Con dimwits are put into power. Fortunately the British tradition of ignoring or side stepping stupid laws is coming back into fashion.
Recently I saw a brilliant piece on what restaurants are doing about minimum wage laws. Apparently it's legal to make up the minimum wage via tips. Of course tips do not accrue any taxes because they are a gift (you can gift up to £700 tax free, no tip has ever been that large). What employers are doing is using an opt out tip system, dropping their prices, dropping their employees wages and making the difference back in tips. Overall the employees pay went up while actually reducing the expenses of the restaurants.
You have to love it when you can turn minimum wage against the tax system. - JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15I've been to england several times (all before 7/7) and I never felt like I was going to get mugged. Although, I felt like I had to watch what I would say and how I'd act in public.
... and thats why I flew back to the USA every time.
I Love the chocolate though. *bites Aero Minty Bar, eyes Curly Wurly* - JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10From a practical standpoint, yes.
But we've gotta watch out for encryption laws like the one passed in the UK. I know that I keep a partition of random bits just to screw with people. Or is it my encrypted pr0n collection? or is it secret information for corporate espionage? or is it just mayonnaise spread on the drive itself? - rtilford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9the current goverment would rather put loads of cctv everywere, than have a policeman walk around town centers and streets to make sure nothing happens. I would rather have a crime stopped before it happens rather than watch it back on cctv later. But i suppose it cheaper to employ someone to watch cctv than pay a policeman.
- b3mus3d, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"Although, I felt like I had to watch what I would say and how I'd act in public."
Well that's very curious. I'm 15, born and raised and still living in England, and I don't feel that way in the slightest.
Although I'm skeptical, I won't say you're wrong because I don't have any experience of the USA, it just seems strange to me that you'd say that. I've never heard anyone mention anything like it.
I've been to France, Germany and Italy and haven't felt any more or less like you described. Does anyone have anything else to say on the subject? Now I'm curious. - lordmetroid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10The idea is just to collect information for future use against you the citizen. But of course they say it's a detterent but as you just experienced it doesn't detter anyone in the long run when people start noticing there is no consequence or not noticing they are being recorded.
- Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"and I never felt like I was going to get mugged. Although, I felt like I had to watch what I would say and how I'd act in public."
How odd, I've never felt oppressed, in fact I openly talk about my views, but I've sure felt like someone wants to mug me before. - Rodzirra, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"The police have a right to demand any encryption keys from you currently."
They don't have the right... they claim the power. - Celeron, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Won'r be soon until the UK turns into George Orwell's 1984.
- mthoringen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8“They don’t know, for instance, that a record is kept of every internet site they visit."
By whom? Are ISPs obliged to keep such records and/or turn them over to the government? What about VPNs etc.? - b3mus3d, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Idiot, if a comment has +14 diggs (currently, and you made your comment 16 minutes ago at the time of this comment) then it probably makes sense, even if you don't get it.
- triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7are you kidding me? its already happening here.
- Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Aye, if you encrypt something (absolutely anything) it's against the law to not give any keys.
- farther, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5What they should do next is pay them entirely in tips, only the restaurant gives the tips, and all the waitresses are considered "volunteers". No income taxes for the waitresses, the restaurant has less expenditures and appears smaller, because only the managers really get "paid" in the traditional sense. Brilliant: tax-free gifts ftw!
- plingboot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6> I don't really see how it's different to a water meter.
> OH MY GOD, the water meter tracks how much water you use! 1984! 1984!
Agreed. There's nothing wrong with chips in bins, they're no using this to ID you and what you had to eat last night... The big supermarkets however, are (nectar card anyone?) We should be more worried about unaccountable corps that know a lot more about us than govt. - acdawson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Despite 'Cool Britainia' and 'New' Labour's program of modernisation, Blair has revealed that he is quite the authoritarian. This is, I suspect, at the heart of his friendship with Bush -- they see eye-to-eye about a great many things, but most especially about their shared paternalistic (some might say messianic) belief that they, and they alone, can see what the future holds and how best to prepare for it. If we, the public, don't see it, then we are misguided, mistaken or just plain stupid. Either way, we 'need' to be cared for and protected. I suspect that the U.S. has a comparable level of public surveillance, both legal and illegal. The difference is that the US has the most incompetent and disharmonious form of federalism on the planet. Municipal, State and Federal levels of government rarely share information in any useful or meaningful way; Turf wars between state agencies, federal agencies such as the FBI, the CIA, the DEA, etc., mean that the US might actually do more spying on its own people that the UK but that information is not shared and integrated into a complete picture. Redundancy and inefficiency are the order of the day. Remember, 'government intelligence' is a contradiction in terms.
- askewed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Yeah, I'm not particularly fussed. I got my face punched in by a bunch of thugs on my way back from work last week. And thanks to the CCTV system that lined the route home, the police are confident that the ***** will be caught.
- Rodzirra, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Testify, Jim!
- iTorrey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@b3mus3d
Do you not see the police state you are living in? Saying that you don't mind the banning of clothing because you didn't like it anyways is ridiculous and why tyranny is allowed to go on unchecked by the dumb-masses.
Will you support it when they no longer allow singing in public without a license because you don't like people singing to themselves anyways? Will you support it when they outlaw talking loudly because you don't like loud talkers when you are out to eat? Will you support it when they no longer allow political speech in public because you think it's disruptive and biased?
It's a slippery slope to domination when you allow your government to claim the power to enforce such 'laws'. You can never justify government criminalizing free expression when that expression doesn't take away the rights of anyone else. Wearing a hoodie doesn't deprive anyone of their life, liberty or property any more than owning a car deprives banks of money because bank robbers use those to get away. - SpookyET, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Have any of you seen Spooks (MI-5 on A&E Channel in USA)? http://www.bbc.co.uk/spooks
It's a very good show. I don't think that there is a single episode where they don't use CCTV.
That said, if you want to watch it, don't watch it on A&E. BBC has no commercials, meaning that the show is 60 minutes. On A&E, they cut it to 40 minutes to fit 20 minutes of commercials. They cut it pretty bad. I would get a DVD set from UK or torrents. - B0jangles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Will you shut up with the ***** V for Vendetta quotes. We've seen and/or read the book. As usual, stupid teenagers spouting out their isolated views of what they understand to be politics. When in fact they couldn't really tell their arse from their elbow the way coverage of such things happens in the media bunker.
Orwell's theory was utterly flawed in that he forgot one thing: The working class.
(Why must we always have these debates over what Great Britain and the UK are. Buy an atlas) - masscrazy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7You *****, i guess you love being watched. Im also guessing that 5 years ago, when recycling wasnt an major issue, you were busy every day recycling every bit of crap you used.
tizz66! You dont mind anything the government does and this kind of attitude will bring this country towards facsim.
I will quote this a millions times if i have to, ive done so at least 10 time already in various posts here in DIGG.
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Pressure from above and below. Deliberately create problems and then offer those solutions that result in the expansion of government, create conditions so frightful at home and abroad that abandonment of civil liberties and national sovereignty will appear as a reasonable price for a return to a domestic tranquility and world peace! Colonel House - masscrazy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I just got my new passport and guess what its got a chip in it.
Oh and the council here they BUG you BINS (Trash Cans)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006400511,00.html
OR
"Councillor Martins told us that Watford Borough Council will not be among those authorities who are introducing spy cameras into our rubbish bins to check on how much waste we are producing and, even worse, fine us for chucking out too much."
Such a wonderful country, aint it? -
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