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- MisterCookie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+66A quote from bash.org is necessary here:
" In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penisses, taken Viagra and are looking for a new relationship." - coding, on 10/12/2007, -2/+49Someone needs to make a peer to peer spam fighting network with no single point of contention and revokable friend lists and automatic friend dropping on ddossing.
- datagod, on 10/12/2007, -8/+51How about this: Stop purchasing products advertised via spam, you bunch of inbred hippies!
- spin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42I have a modest proposal, ala Jonathan Swift. Whenever a spammer is caught and convicted, all the money they made should be forfeited and subsequently used to purchase steel-toed boots for everyone they sent spam too. They should then be taken on tour, from city to city, state to state, country to country. On this tour, they should be restrained while everyone they ever sent spam to, is allowed to come by and kick them in the nuts for every email they received from said spammer.
Write your congressman! Lets get creative with the punishments for these ass-clowns! Ohhh yeah, I almost forgot, we should EAT THEIR CHILDREN! - stoops, on 10/12/2007, -2/+38Exactley! The only reason why spam is still around is because it works, which means people are actually buying ***** from spam. Please Stop!
- meatstack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35I just put down a similar story from another source...you got the better one, Blood.
http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1776654,00.html
What a sad day that a bunch of spammers can manage to take them down. - spin, on 10/12/2007, -11/+40While we are blaming people, lets blame Microsoft for their OS being the launching pad for 99.9% of the world's spam. Also, let us thank them for the security vulnerabilities that allowed these ass-clowns to create such a freaking huge botnet to attack Blue Security and their customers with.
- darthmdh, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33@spin
Please don't insult ass-clowns by associating them with Microsoft. - konspence, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I am so disappointed in these people. I don't think they did a good job. What would stop them from pooling together a donation project? (I would donate to them) That way they could get a round robin of servers. I feel like all of the emails I have turned over the frog are now pointless. They really should have done better.
PS, I know this comment is flamebait. All the commenters thus far seem to be teary eyed, "hats off" about this situation.
Bluesecurity being gone means the spammers have one just one more battle. How can we let this happen? - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20And yet Congress is more concerned about propping up the dead business models of the Record and Movies Industries by making the end user criminals. Gotta love the priorities. ***** walks and money talks and I'm walking just as fast as I can.
- NerdOfPrey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I continue to be surprised that no-one's released a self-propagating "do-good'er" program - an angelic version of one of the Internet worms that we routinely hear about.
I'm aware that these things have been developed in the past, and I'm also conscious that this sort of vigilantism can be a slippery slope, but you'd think someone might create a white-hat virus that would cleanse infected machines, then go on to actively seek out other compromised computers to repeat the treatment.
It could download freeware spyware applications, antivirus software, a firewall and the lastest OS patches, then expunge itself from the system.
It's morally questionable, and I'm not necessarily advocating it as a course of action, but it just seems unlikely that it hasn't happened yet (or in a contemporary incarnation). - meatstack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17From the horse's Mouth:
http://www.bluesecurity.com/ - dvydra, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17I don't think many digg users are that stupid. It's that weird, mentally feeble 1% out there that's making spam profitable.
- catpounce004, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17So now BlueSecurity has told spammers that they can do anything they want, including grossly illegal actions and get away with it. Good Job.
- circletimesquar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14folks: napster logic applies here. what i mean by that is napster was shut down easily because it had one point of failure. next morpheus/ kazaa proliferated for awhile because they were headless. riaa tried various tactics like flooding bogus/ mangled content, etc.
the point? same kind of war going on here. napster will be remembered forever because it was A GOOD IDEA. that NEVER GOES AWAY. the spammers fought blue security hard because it was a GOOD IDEA and it works. that is NEVER GOING AWAY
listen up spam scum: we found a soft spot, and you said ouch. do you think we are going to stop? the next effort will be headless, and unlike morpheus/ kazaa, you have no legitimate legal means to shut down the headless effort. go ahead spamscum, give us your best shot. you've gained some respite with this attack, good for you, you deserve some recognition for fighting well. now try to stop the next effort from suffocating you arseholes >:-)
napster is dead, but it will be remembered for the genie it let out of the bottle. the nameless soulless riaa and mpaa ***** who shut it down will never be thought of. much is the case with you: you hide because you are sleaze you farking spammers
and same with blue security as with napster: it may be dead, but it will ALWAYS be remembered for the genie it let out of the bottle. it's not going back in the bottle spamscum. and you will be suffocated soon
DEATH TO SPAMMERS - shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15oh and it's a damn shame Yahoo or AOL didnt take this approach. Instead they opted to charge people money for every email sent
http://digg.com/technology/AOL_and_Yahoo_Charging_Customers_$$$_to_Send_Emails
But I guess it makes sense, instead of spending money on R&D to come up with new spam-fighting solutions, they decided to make money by charging others. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Stopped like the Maginot Line stopped Hitler, maybe.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14It'd be great if they open sourced their product and let the world pic up where they started off,
A single company taking them? nah. multiple companies, communities and individuals? that would work. - CognitiveRes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14It's time to strike back against the spammers. Open source project?
PS spammers, I hope the community goes all out for revenge. - swiftwolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Blue has already released their code to the open source community.
Check http://sourceforge.net/projects/bluefrog - ChrisGranger, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I agree 100% with Datagod -- the people who buy from spammers are indirectly responsible for the world's spam problem. If there was no money to be made by spamming, the spammers would find something else to do, pure and simple.
If you know people who are online and use email, but are otherwise somewhat unsophisticated, EDUCATE THEM. Let them know what unscrupulous con artists these spammers are. Reduce the spammer's potential market. - LordLucless, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15While I say hats off to Blue Security, I think what they've really demonstrated is whose in charge of the internet. If anonymous crackers can direct their DDOS bots at anything they don't like, knock it off the net, and are unable to be stopped by authorities, then they really have control over the net. Anything they don't like, they can take out. I think this is something that will need to be addressed sooner rather than later, as the internet becomes more and more integral to everyday life, and commerce becomes even more dependant on it than it is now.
Personally, I think that people need to be directly responsible for their own computers becoming zombies. If ISPs were obliged by law to terminate the account of anyone whose machine was demonstrated to have been infected, that would go a long way to solving the problem. The ISPs would not be in charge of policing their networks, but if they received, say, 3 independant reports and logs of spam from the same customer, they would be obliged to take action. Obviously there would have to be protections in place to ensure that this form of complaint did not itself form a denial of service attack, but that should be surmountable. - oluckboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14seriously.. don't mess with the Israeli.. i doubt anyone would have qualms of a nice spam master assassination.
- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14thanks for the heads up, meatstack. i agree. its a real shame.
- veloscaper, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I'm sure Mossad will pay PharmaMaster back some day, like right in the face when turning some corner.
- axiomata, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Spam works because the cost of "advertising" is effectively $0. How do we stop spam? By ignoring it? By blocking it? No ... by bringing the cost up from $0. Someone needs to sic the RIAA's sue-machine on spammers.
- allthewhile, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I say hats off to blue security. They innovated and did, as the article suggest, prove that spammers can be wounded and spamming on a massive scale can be stopped.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I agree completely, that Pharmamaster has just been given more ammunition to be even further an a-hole. It's like getting a bunch of kids to stand up to the bullies, and then saying "O SRY MASSA!"
- SnaKe09, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9http://www.specialham.com/specialham/m_37745/p_1/tmode_1/smode_1/tm.htm
They are already posting victory..
GUYS run the scripts from the links I've mentioned.... I know its a lame come back thing lol so yeah dont point it out to me =P... but hey we can still be lame and take down their forum - ryan31416, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I don't buy it.
Perhaps Blue Security's business was already in trouble, and this is just a face-saving exit story. Or maybe the guys behind the spam networks threatened the BS guys with physical harm. BS is not shutting down because they found a firefight.
Building DDOS-resistant networks and systems is completely feasible. BS is not responsible when criminals hold other businesses' operations hostage. If Tucows can't build attack resistant services, that's unfortunate, but it is not BS's problem. But of course they can, so something else is happening here.
Giving in to these guys makes it everyone's problem. I think BS is sounding a distress signal to governments, saying "look, effectively fighting spam is possible, but I'm not going to let my children get kidnapped to win this fight...it's your turn".
PS: Sorry to hear about all of you people out there who have spam problems. What's the trouble? Do spam filters not work for you? I trap 500+ spams per day to my address...about five per week make it to my inbox, which is easy for me to ignore. - dstart, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Google should buy Blue Security..
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Yeah.
I'm really pissed that BS seems full of, well, BS!
Who gives a damn if tucows sites were attacked, thats their problem and they should have systems in place to prevent or limit that sort of thing!
BS giving in to spammers, (because thats exactly what it is; ignore this crap about "taking down the internet") is a huge slap in the face for EVERYBODY that supported them, especially during the 1st week of may.
Hopefully someone with balls can create an open source distributed system that is impervious to these sorts of attacks and that sends out 10 spams to the spammers for every one spam they send out!!! Legalities be damned! - stimpy2k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'm running the http://thecarpcstore.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=21 script. Take them down!
- JPhilipson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Why aren't there good hackers that can fight back...I say make it an internet war. Maybe the government will finally step in.
- jwestbrook, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Maybe we should check sourceforge for that?
- DavidDigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8This is a great story that really lets people in the dark (me) know about the dark underworld of spam. Great way to build public support for anti-spam laws. Now how do we keep people energized about this issue and create some coherent policy for them to support?
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14@einsfahrt
"spin,
If you want to place 'blame' I see email as the major culprit not Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo!, etc...But that mentality would be similar to blaming A.G. Bell for telemarketers"
I think the POINT was that it is because of the vulnerabilities in Windows that spammers are able to create their botnets of unsuspecting internet users' computers.
Apparently, a computer running the Mac or Linux OS isn't so easily turned into a zombie/bot by a distant hacker! Get it now? - phobs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I agree, the whole "wild west" analogy for the Internet seems like media hype until things like this happen. If Blue pushed on and the spammers took down several major websites, you can bet there would be repercussions. I can understand why they felt they needed to stop but the result they feared may be the fastest way to get the results they want. When the website of several Fortune 500 companies goes down, the people with all the lobbyists will be on our side.
- zolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I think that one solution is to create a distributed version of 'blue' installed and working on user e-mail application, i.e as a plug-in in Thunderbird. It could work as follows:
1) You select the spam and press 'kill it' button
2) Plug-in automatically finds web links in the spam content
3) It filters link list comparing to black/white list (some kind of p2p database of good/evil sites)
4) It uses whois to find the ISP/owner (or any service/tool with similar function)
5) It automatically sends notification of spam to abuse@ or owner@
I haven't thought much about it, so there may be some drawbacks in it. - muddo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@coding
Please elaborate. Are you sugessting opening up personal email databases to a peer to peer network where your peers have write access to your database?
That would be a disaster, especially on windows where the notion of protected memory is shaky at best. - sirsteveh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@urusai:
At least the Maginot line was something the Germans went _around_. The spammers had their jobs done for them when people made lists of e-mail addresses and put them on the Internet. That'd be like building a Maginot line with all those spiffy machine guns and artillery pointed into France instead of Germany. - SnaKe09, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Well time to hit up another form of payback eg; www.spamitback.com
- SnaKe09, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7All scripts are on here:
http://thecarpcstore.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=1
best so far is to run this:
http://thecarpcstore.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=21
And the page wasn't hacked as all new sources have interviewed the CEO of Blue Security, try reading.. - coding, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Why you could implement either a similar scheme as blue frog, or think of something new completely.
- wyrdness, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I reckon that contact information is fake - the phone number looks like a Plymouth number (nowhere near Lincolnshire). The postal code is correct for the address listed.
- LordLucless, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8That's easy for you to say. You're not the one being asked to offer themselves up as a sacrificial lamb simply to put up a good show. Blue Security could not operate while being deluged with that sort of attack. If it can't operate, it cannot make money. If it cannot make money, it cannot pay it's costs, including the cost of internet traffic being chewed up by the DDOS.
How about you sell all your possessions and flush the money down the toilet before complaining about other people not being willing to fight for the death on your behalf. - SnaKe09, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9There is always going to be dumb people.
There will always be a form of spam.
but ergh gg blue security giving up after the latest news etc... "YOU WIN" this is going to make the spammers feel great and result in poorly written spam ***** ogomgogmgo LOL blue sux spammerz rule..
This sucks so much, just after I sat down with my boss and explained how great bluesecurity is and how it will prevail and help us.. I wish that old Lycos ddos screen saver was re-made "Make love not spam".. maybe you can still get it from somewhere? til a new program is made I think I might stick to vampires etc just to get a little back at these loser spammers. =(
btw should keep an eye on and maybe continue at:
http://thecarpcstore.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=1 - radu79, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The problem with making an Open Source P2P network to fight spam is flawed. You need a central authority, which investigates the spam reports. Otherwise you could use such a network to do a DDoS attack against legitimate targets.
Like others have said, it's up to a big ISP or the government to implement it. WTF, I get over 100 spams a day, this is not fun at all. Imagine how much money Yahoo, Gmail and Hotmail are losing because of the spam. They should just get together and start their own DDoS against the sites advertised by spamers.
Oh, BTW, why isn't the FBI setting up a trap website to catch those who would like to use the spam as a marketing tool? - flameboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5too bad you cant download that program anymore because the "key has expired"
- pukiman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Just open up the page in notepad and edit out the wanted proxy.
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