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- dtele, on 12/18/2007, -1/+51So every time I mention the name Bin Laden....
- Pie4Weebl, on 12/18/2007, -4/+43I'm glad someone listens to me :(
- simplistics06, on 12/18/2007, -2/+35i am hiding bin laden in my basement hes addicted to wow
- ryan83189, on 12/18/2007, -0/+25Thats how i answer my phone, it stops telemarketing too.
- spyd3rweb, on 12/18/2007, -2/+26You know the way to defeat this is a campaign by the people to use all the buzzwords that set off all the alarms in their phone calls, like terrorist, dirty bomb, yellow cake uranium, allah, and much much more.
- rubberbrush, on 12/18/2007, -5/+25The easy way to defeat such a system would be to have everyone say "certain words and phrases" in every communication. Everything would get flagged. It would be like the digg effect on the NSA.
- Aggaman, on 12/18/2007, -2/+20I try to remember to mention bombs and terrorism when I am on the phone. Our Lords and Masters have no respect for privacy.
- Aggaman, on 12/18/2007, -3/+19That's not really the point. Institutions like this should not exist in democratic societies, since they are beyond public oversight. Notice how no-one is ever asked if they would like to trade their privacy for security, because it is likely that they wouldn't. If you think this is scary, then you will think that the following is frightening. In New Zealand, where I am from, there is a signals intelligence station that we discovered is part of the Echelon eavesdropping network. Now pretty much everyone knows that this network exists, but this wasn't the case in the 70s and 80s. But hey, it's OK, because the elected political leaders of New Zealand knew about it and were looking out for us. Except they didn't. The Prime Minister of New Zealand at the time, David Lange, had no idea of the existence of Echelon and was absolutely shocked that he had been kept into the dark. In a decent society, mobs of enraged citizens would burn these installations to the ground.
- pimpsallad, on 12/18/2007, -2/+17I know where Bin Laden is.
- JoJoWalker, on 12/18/2007, -2/+17It sounds silly, but i think this is exactly correct. While the idea in concept (monitoring communications for keywords to prevent terror attacks) seems helpful, the means to the that end smash into pieces just about every tenet that our founding fathers held dear.
That being said, They simplest way to brute force this intrusion into oblivion would be to recruit a critical mass of people willing to say, text, type or mention the known keywords every time they answer the phone, write an email, or send a text/instant message. The sheer volume would cause the NSA to go back to the drawing board and the cat and mouse game would continue (much like the way file sharing continues despite the best efforts of the alphabet gang to crack down). So from here on out, be sure to include all the known key words in all your electronic correspondence... - GhostyBoy, on 12/18/2007, -5/+20Jacob Rothschild David Rockefeller Henry Kissinger Council on Foreign Relations The War on Terror is a Hoax 911 was an Inside Job.
There. Am I flagged yet? - kuragami, on 12/18/2007, -0/+15The original program that did this is called "Echelon". First time it was turned on Americans was under Clinton. At least according to one CIA officer that was interviewed by 60 minutes many years ago.
- inactive, on 12/18/2007, -4/+17Either you, or your friend is full of *****.
- inactive, on 12/18/2007, -1/+13MEANWHILE, SOME DUMB HICK IN GEORGIA
...is saying "I'm glad the terrists isn't attacking my woodshed". - darkciti2, on 12/18/2007, -5/+14***** BUSH !!!
***** CHENEY !!! - nebloof, on 12/18/2007, -1/+10This bash.org quote fits nicely here: http://www.bash.org/?638549
Omniscient Sean: I think we should terrorist start throwing in nuclear weapon noteworthy national security keywords to Allah otherwise innocuous conversations.
InfiniteSuperior: I Bin Laden agree.
Omniscient Sean: So how are Al Qaeda classes?
InfiniteSuperior: I have Al Sadr a psychology report Iran due Wednesday.
Omniscient Sean: Ah, that Tehran sucks.
Omniscient Sean: This bizarre Sadaam open-source database utility has all the Palestine trappings of other open-source utilities.
Omniscient Sean: In this WMD case, useless error messages.
InfiniteSuperior: Other than Pakistan that, classes are Libby going well. - thewump, on 12/18/2007, -2/+11I wonder if there is an internal digg style site at the NSA where people get to vote for their favorite smartass?
- therealkdog, on 12/18/2007, -2/+10Suck it George Bush. Record that and report it.
- darkciti2, on 12/18/2007, -2/+10Hey, I live in Georgia and I resemble that commint !!!
- inactive, on 12/18/2007, -4/+10Cue Wow commercial with Bin Laden:
"I'm a 33rd level Sand Mage. I ride through vast deserts on my Doom Camel, striking fear into the heart of"
-"CUT! There's no Doom Camels in WoW!"
"Maybe I hacked the game. Maybe I created a Doom Camel! Maybe Bin Laden is handy with computers!" - inactive, on 12/18/2007, -3/+9I don't know why you got a -1. Anyone familiar with IT and databases realizes the database is only as good as 2 things: the data contained in it and the queries that retrieve that data. Poison the database and the whole thing goes to hell. So, with that in mind, the more often you pollute the database (mentioning key words on the phone and via electronic communiques), the worse the data becomes. You're basically lowering the signal to noise ratio.
- inactive, on 12/18/2007, -3/+9Something along the lines of "I'm standing outside of the _____ ______ with a loaded 40 cal and I'm ready to snipe the ________"?
- Zlorp, on 12/18/2007, -4/+9im telling you. we all need to start calling random numbers across the ocean and saying ***** about blowing stuff up. if people do this it will ruin the entire point of all this spying. we need to show our government that WE are the authority.
- terminal157, on 12/18/2007, -0/+5It's open policy that the Secret Service will investigate you for threatening the President's life, even indirectly. There have been many documented cases of it happening.
- inactive, on 12/18/2007, -0/+5You're delusional if you think this doesn't have a direct, negative impact on you and everyone else's personal freedoms and liberties.
- bazbloke, on 12/18/2007, -2/+7"unless there is EVIDENCE that you have broken a law or that you are a credible threat " you mean like in gitmo?
- inactive, on 12/18/2007, -1/+5Psst, they don't care. As long as he's MIA they have a job spying on you while helping to "look" for him...
- inactive, on 12/18/2007, -3/+7I bet he was Leroy Jenkins.
- inactive, on 12/18/2007, -3/+7American consumers, for the most part, are dumb enough to sign away their freedom for a $10 coupon to the local Krispy Kreme or Starbucks. Everyone has this pervasive, asinine attitude that if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. However, that's not the spirit of freedom or privacy; that's the pre-cooked answer your masters want to hear you parrot.
- inactive, on 12/18/2007, -1/+5Yes, the solution is not to spy on every ***** citizen. The solution is to PREVENT gaining enemies. Prevention is so much more efficient, like if airlines had been allowed to let pilots have guns, 911 wouldn't have happened, and there'd be little justification for any war in the middle east, and we'd have $100s of BILLIONS more in saved tax money. People think Ron Paul is crazy b/c they don't understand that his way of doing things would keep the peace, and help us keep our MONEY as well.
- Gerz1219, on 12/18/2007, -2/+5Yeah, and Pony Express riders were vulnerable to robbery, and any bandit could have opened stolen mail. If you don't want people to read your letters, don't write them.
Your right to privacy is not dictated by the ease with which it can be violated. - thewump, on 12/18/2007, -2/+5I hate this rhetoric. If we lived in a society where you were innocent until proven guilty then it would be OK to live by, "well I'm not saying anything that is illegal" but we're not.. so I don't want someone able to quote the ***** I talk on the phone in whatever context they choose at some time in the future.
- darkciti2, on 12/18/2007, -2/+5Echelon was actually started by Bush Sr. (George Herbert Bush [aka Bush 41]) back in the early 90's. It took several years to develop due to technology issues that had to be worked out.
Please cite your source about "Clinton turning it on Americans" according to a '60 minutes' interview.
The Bush Crime Family has a history of crime dating back to Prescott Bush and his contributions to the Nazi's. - gudnbluts, on 12/18/2007, -3/+6Unfortunately, "Grilled Pompano" triggers the keyword recognition for "Guantanamo"
- williamdyer, on 12/18/2007, -0/+3It's easy to wreck a nice peach.
- LeRenard, on 12/18/2007, -1/+4Not the same animal. That just protects your link to the gmail server.. your mail is still whizzing around the internet in plaintext before it gets to gMail/after it leaves gMail. SSL to gmail is handy for preventing intercepts from your wifi, for instance, but its still very readable from there.
- inactive, on 12/18/2007, -2/+5I think your comment just ran full speed into a tinfoil hat filter.
- LeRenard, on 12/18/2007, -1/+4Internet protocols need to be overhauled to get rid of all the plaintext.
- darkciti2, on 12/18/2007, -3/+5Terrorists aren't the problem. Mega-corporations and corporate lobbying are.
You have better odds of being Constitutionally ***** by a corporation than being killed by a terrorist. - FKnight, on 12/18/2007, -0/+2"Why do you think cell phones can't call internationally ?"
No one thinks that because cell phones can call internationally. - flipmeat, on 12/18/2007, -0/+2Won't they enjoy a good assination if they're gay?
p.s. we don't screen for misspellings. Love and kisses, NSA. - Zenas, on 12/18/2007, -1/+3Three Israeli companies provide telecom services to the US government agencies:
Amdocs, which provides billing and directory assistance for most American phone companies, Comverse Infosys, which installs and mainstains telephone tapping equipment for US law enforcement, and Odigo, which provides services for the various "Instant Message" systems on your computer. All three companies are owned by Israel and have strong ties to the Israeli Defense [sic] Force. - sremick, on 12/18/2007, -0/+2"Blackbriar..."
- writerwriter, on 12/18/2007, -0/+2I love it how the US Government and the US media has turned the US into a nation of terrified sheep. Terrified of everyone and everything outside their 'borders' (those would be the metaphorical boundaries between this tuft of grass and that one). People in the US are going to end up sitting in their living rooms with their rifles poised on their knees waiting for the "terrorists" to come get them.
Super silly. - Aggaman, on 12/18/2007, -1/+3Which should also be illegal. Your point?
- JoelBakan01, on 12/18/2007, -1/+3I would think "I don't need to know how to land I just want to take off like an angel soaring up to Allah," would generate a certain amount of attention, but not as much as "I've discovered a cheap alternative to oil;" expect g-men in 10-15 min.
- sk545, on 12/19/2007, -0/+2lol. Bourne all the way.
- harry8227, on 12/18/2007, -2/+4You know what we need to do, we ought to try this, once a day pick some provocative words or phrases that would trip the word catchers in the NSA computers, and embed them in a 10 or 15 meg file full of gibberish and then send it to someone on the internet. If everyone did that an couple times a day we could overload those fantastic computers the NSA has with tripe and fill them with 99.9% junk. That is just not a bad idea at all, they want to look through our communications and personnal data then lets let em have it with both barrels.
- goffy59, on 12/18/2007, -4/+6sign me up. i have lots of time. Terrorists rule and america is evil! And which traitor of our government dugg you down. I guess speaking about the constitution is now considered terrorism. The founding fathers really did care about privacy. Even the conservative ones.
- inactive, on 12/18/2007, -1/+3lmao
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