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- Turambar, on 10/11/2007, -22/+260someone hang the 8 that voted against it.
- shiftt, on 10/11/2007, -15/+228Who the hell are these 8 bastards that voted against it? They don't deserve to be politicians.
- atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -18/+173Actually one year too late to save Americans from embarrassment.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+144They never had the Right to get rid of it in the first place!
Our Rights are not handed out by the damned Government! - interg12, on 10/11/2007, -4/+102exactly. our rights protect us from the government.
- interiot, on 10/11/2007, -2/+99If you take the list of people on the Senate Judiciary Committee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Committee_on_the_Judiciary#Members.2C_110th_Congress
And remove the names of the bill's co-sponsors: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN00185:@@@P
You get a list of eleven names. So three of these voted for the bill, the rest voted against: Herb Kohl (D-WI), Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Benjamin Cardin (D-MD), Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Jon Kyl (R-AZ), Jeff Sessions (R-AL), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), John Cornyn (R-TX), Sam Brownback (R-KS), Tom Coburn (R-OK)
(coincidentally, there are three democrats and 8 republicans in that list..) - pintomp3, on 10/11/2007, -8/+66***** like brownback voted against it. people like him should be tried for high treason. and yes, it should be a fair and open trail.
- Eldorian, on 10/11/2007, -4/+56What pisses me off is this country was founded on these principles. We fought in the revolution against England because we believed in the right of Habeus Corpus and other principles and rights we as individuals wanted and needed to protect us from our own government. This entire administration should be taken down for treason against our country and denying the people the very rights our founding fathers believed in.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -8/+59What a bunch of flaming liberals. What's next? Freedom to say what you want and associate with anyone? Where will it end?
/sarcasm - Stonedonkey, on 10/11/2007, -5/+56Yeah... the bill still has to be voted on by the House and Senate. What this article is saying is that the bill is endorsed by the Senate Judiciary Committee. *Nothing* has changed yet.
"Today's vote means the habeas bill can now be brought to the Senate floor at any time. One source with knowledge of the legislative plan said Majority Leader Harry Reid has committed to bringing the bill to a vote within the month...The legislation faces an uphill battle in the Armed Services Committee, a much less hospitable venue for Constitutional rights than the Judiciary Committee." - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+53I can't believe it got ripped apart in the 1st place. Thank god someone in the Senate has some common sense.
- catalysis, on 10/11/2007, -6/+56"someone hang the 8 that voted against it."
Do they get to challenge it first? - mulling, on 10/11/2007, -7/+55We're born with certain rights. We empower the government to protect these rights. When the government fails to protect them, or worse, as in the case of Bush and the puppets on the right, *actively works to destroy them*, we're supposed to take our support away and get ourselves a new government which once again protects our rights. The only reason the streets aren't running red in DC right now (figuratively speaking) is because we've become ignorant and complacent. The founding fathers aren't spinning in their graves, they're weeping.
The 8 who voted against should be granted their wish and permanently imprisoned without trial. - Eilarais, on 10/11/2007, -4/+49Best news I've heard in a while, but 11-8 is still pathetic.
- diggduggjoe, on 10/11/2007, -2/+45Habeas Corpus is not a Constitutional right. It was a right acknowledged as far back as the Magna Carta.
The Constitution only says that it can only be suspended under only certain situations, such as rebellion or invasion. The concept there was not to hold people forever, but that in the case of open warfare we may not have the time to manage a full judicial load. The problem is the Constitution calls it a privilege, so it is less than a right. That wording was what the anti-patriot Gonzalez used to attack it.
If, I was a in a position to make an amendment to the Constitution, it would be to make Habeas Corpus a Right! - MarkCiccone, on 10/11/2007, -29/+65I knew there was a reason I voted Democrat...
- dagamer34, on 10/11/2007, -21/+57@interiot
So one Republican was smart enough to read the Constitution. Amazing.
Honestly, I don't know what people are thinking. The Middle East didn't just go on a personal vendetta against us with no reason. Suspending habeas corpus effectly makes us "terrorists" in the way underhanded dealings can now be done without punishment. Thus the circle of violence continues! - Nerys, on 10/11/2007, -6/+36ncairns - The constitution is not a document GRANTING us rights. a GRANT of rights implies they can be taken away.
These rights are implicit. They are automatic They BELONG to us they are not granted.
The constitution grants NOTHING it IMPOSES LIMITATIONS on the government. It states These rights you (gov) may not infringe.
The 1st amendment DOES NOT GRANT you free speech. Go read it. You are born with the freedom of speech. The 1st amendment states CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW pertaining the right to free speech. Where in that does it GRANT you or me anything ? no where. We already HAVE those rights. the 1st amendment is a dictation to the government. DO NOT TOUCH THIS RIGHT. - WTF4, on 10/11/2007, -1/+29All republicans other then Arlen Specter voted "ney"...
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/70579.html - alphahack, on 10/11/2007, -13/+41what are you guys so happy about?!!?!
did none of you RTFA???
it says and i quote "Today's vote means the habeas bill can now be brought to the Senate floor at any time. One source with knowledge of the legislative plan said Majority Leader Harry Reid has committed to bringing the bill to a vote within the month."
we still got a ways to go before it's actually back. The person who submitted this article should take an english course or something, because he obviously doesn't know what the hell the Senate Judiciary Committee was voting on.
same goes for all the people who posted all the "***** YEAH!!!" comments; noting that the vote was 11 to 8, but not the actual issue which they were voting on.... - jgzman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+27OK, fine. I declare you an enemy combatant.
Arrest him, and lock him up. No, I don't have to prove it, he's an enemy combatant, and enemy combatants don't have a right of habeas corpus. - DarthPoo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+27@Yage
For now, at least, he is only Chancellor Bush. - Dgen_X, on 10/11/2007, -1/+26what were those last three words?
checks and what?
I don't remember those being bothered with recently... - Yage2006, on 10/11/2007, -4/+28Cant emperor bush simply veto this and do whatever the ***** he wants likes hes been doing so far ?
- vango, on 10/11/2007, -1/+25Even when the war has gone to crap, even when no one respects the president, there are still 8 Republicans who will continue to vote as if they have to do WHATEVER THEY CAN to act like complete retards.
heck of a job, bozos - Stonedonkey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+24Yes. Two-thirds of the members of the House and the Senate must vote to override a veto after it has been handed down by the President. And the judicial branch can declare the law invalid if it passes. Checks and balances.
- maino82, on 10/11/2007, -3/+24for real... i want to know who those 8 ***** were
- wtfersk8s, on 10/11/2007, -8/+29damn straight
- w3bsmith, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21Let's find a record of the eight. I want those jerks out as quickly as possible. They have failed to uphold the Constitution which is an impeachable offense.
- grimstar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+23"and yes, it should be a fair and open trail."
Yeah, a fair day and a nice trail to drag him by his legs through! - fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24But how will we fight the ter'rists now?
/sarcasm - linuts, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21@Eldorian
>> We fought in the revolution against England because
>> we believed in the right of Habeus Corpus
The English had Habeas Corpus from the Magna Carter in 1215. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta - bobdotcom, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22No kidding! The thing your country had to be the most proud of was the freedoms guaranteed in your constitution. Then your president, who pledges to uphold the constitution, barely stops short of tearing the whole damned thing up.
- ricodued, on 10/11/2007, -7/+26B-b-b-but Lincoln...
- Akronos, on 10/11/2007, -4/+23"Senator Chris Dodd, the most aggressive defender of the Constitution in the presidential race..."
I thought that honor went to Ron Paul? - Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19I've got the secret evidence that PROVES he's a terrorist! It's so super-duper secret that neither he nor his lawyer (if one slips through somehow) can see it, but it SURELY proves beyond a shadow of a doubt he's a terrorist!
- M4tt3r, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19@diggduggjoe
Technically speaking, [Habeas corpus] can be seen as our 1st, 5th, 6th, 7th and even our 8th amendment.
"The right of habeas corpus—or rather, the right to petition for the writ—has long been celebrated as the most efficient safeguard of the liberty of the subject."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/funddocs/billeng.htm
But who's counting. I remember Keith Olbermann did a break down of the rights we still have left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqxmPjB0WSs - YourDoom123, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18Yea, where were those checks and balances when habeus corpus was thrown out in the first place?
It pisses me off when the republicans claim to be the moral majority, shooting down embryonic stem cell research, trying to get rid of abortion rights, etc. and then turn around and RIP APART the article that they SWORE to protect. - laznhome, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21@ncairns (#7076020)
Have you ever read the Declaration of Independence?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence#Annotated_text_of_the_Declaration
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." - Matrix_Prime, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17checks and balances? Those went out the window long ago.
- Drkboarder, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
V - sorrodos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15@ccrook: You're completely wrong. Get your facts straight. The 8 that voted against the bill were Republicans. The judiciary committee has 19 members, 10 of which are Democrats, 9 are Republicans. Arlen Specter was the lone Republican to vote in favor of the bill in this committee.
Don't just make ***** up next time. kthxbye - snipes, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Yea, but I bet there are people en route to Gitmo right now..and the people already there aren't leaving anytime soon.
- pagit, on 10/11/2007, -5/+19What is this "Habeas Corpus" and where can I buy it ?
- Urusai, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16They never got rid of habeus corpus, since it's in the Constitution. They only passed an illegal law, which, if you don't have habeus corpus, would never be able to be brought to court and properly nullified.
- RoadOfBones, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14Whom were The Eight?
- acex23, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11...and it was all overshadowed by Paris Hilton's jail shenanigans. What a crazy world we live in.
- sorrodos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Just look up the names of the Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee. All of them except Arlen Specter voted against the bill.
Orrin G. Hatch
R-UTAH
Charles E. Grassley
R-IOWA
Jon Kyl
R-ARIZONA
Jeff Sessions
R-ALABAMA
Lindsey Graham
R-SOUTH CAROLINA
John Cornyn
R-TEXAS
Sam Brownback
R-KANSAS
Tom Coburn
R-OKLAHOMA
There's your list. - Nerys, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12Not ignorant at all. You can not "usurp" the constitution without an AMENDMENT to said constitution.
BUT what people fail to realize is LAWS are meaningless. they are simply words on paper or bytes on hard drives. They have NO value NO power NO real meaning.
Laws are nothing ENFORCEMENT is everything. While the Patriot Acts and Mill Comm act are NOT United States Law (they are illegal and VOID on inception) they CAN be illegal ENFORCED against out will.
This is the problem. The Solution is for us the people to get up off our collective asses and actually DO something about it. IE do some ENFORCEMENT. - ATHEISTinHELL, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Constitutional rights, so pre 9/11 thinking.
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