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- Ryan0617, on 03/12/2009, -3/+139They didnt hack 22,000 pcs. They bought them.
- AnotherDiggGuy, on 03/12/2009, -0/+92I like how it's okay for the BBC to do this (and will probably even be hailed), but a TJMaxx employee was canned for exposing their security flaws when management wouldn't listen.
http://www.crimcheck.com/background-check-news/tjx ... - twiztidsinz, on 03/12/2009, -19/+109In fairness... they couldn't find thousands of mac/linux users.
- Totz83, on 03/12/2009, -1/+86British Botnet Consortium?
- MtheoryX, on 03/12/2009, -3/+88I now read all BBC articles with the voice of John Oliver from The Daily Show.
- Mtbeaver, on 03/12/2009, -7/+53I love the BBC...
- DomZy, on 03/12/2009, -1/+27From Clicks Twitter, they did 3 things:
1. Show how millions of spam messages can be sent
2. Show how a DDoS attack works (with consent from a site owner)
3. Warned users of their infection and helped them clean their computer
The show airs in UK on the BBC News Channel, Sat or Sun at 1130 and BBC1 0645. It will also be available on iPlayer - Clbull, on 03/12/2009, -2/+27The BBC didn't do this for criminal intent but rather to show just how serious a threat botnets and DDoS attacks are, but I think it still is unauthorised access into another person's computer.
- random90210, on 03/12/2009, -0/+25BBC FTW! There's a lot of good shows I torrent from BBC3
- waydee, on 03/12/2009, -0/+23video from the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7938949.stm
- JanK1, on 03/12/2009, -4/+26Damn BBC....You Scary!
- waydee, on 03/12/2009, -2/+22To clarify my position:
If someone is going to execute hotgirlwithhugetitsmustsee!!!.jpg.exe as an administrator with a direct connection to the internet then this result is hard to avoid.
In a sense it is Microsofts fault as well for allowing this to happen, the default user on a Windows PC should definitely not have the privileges that allow software to embed itself to this extent within the OS. - gyrfalcon, on 03/12/2009, -7/+25Not that I'm a Microsoft fan, but I could setup almost any Windows machine to be virtual un-hackable. The OS does play a role in security, but the user/administrator is the key.
So please stop all the unfounded fandom crap. - inactive, on 03/12/2009, -4/+19I ***** hate Linux makes an outsiter not being able to join these botnets.
- tnerd, on 03/12/2009, -3/+16Security overrated?
- rebotfc, on 03/12/2009, -4/+17Erm... what they did is highly illegal and probably breaks many UK and other nations laws (the infected computers were spread over the globe).
The "criminal intent" excuse is *****, the UK courts are currently extraditing Gary McKinnon even though he was just 'looking for UFO's'.
Though this does raise the question - should taking over a botnet to force a virus/worm purge on the infected computers be illegal? - Danltn, on 03/12/2009, -0/+12And I thought the BBC was arguably the world's best content producer.
- waydee, on 03/12/2009, -7/+19This is a user problem.
- kaelyiesta, on 03/12/2009, -1/+12Manslaughter / Murder differences in most western nations laws say otherwise.
- Cannonballkid, on 03/12/2009, -0/+11Didn't the villain in Die Hard 4 hack into the pentagon from a Laptop in his attempt to turn off the internet?
- FyberOptic, on 03/12/2009, -0/+10I thought this was illegal to do regardless of why you're doing it? It's like breaking into somebody's house just to show that their door lock isn't very good. You still got to jail, despite your intentions. Though it is Britain, so maybe their laws are different.
In the States, this is why security companies aren't able to deliver emergency cures for worms and such using the technique. They can get in trouble. - djbon2112, on 03/12/2009, -0/+10He should've just exploited it to show them.
- xerox, on 03/12/2009, -0/+9I just want to feel connected... *sobs*
- inactive, on 03/12/2009, -0/+9how does one learn these "white hat" skills?
- IamNomad, on 03/12/2009, -0/+8BBC? Botnet? Darlek ????
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! - squareears, on 03/12/2009, -0/+8This is both impressive & scary at the same time. Got to give it to the beeb
- inactive, on 03/12/2009, -0/+8To be fair they warned all the pc owners about it and helped them clean their system,
and last time i checked hacking into military systems was highly frowned upon, even if it was a honeypot he hacked into
and i don't think the bbc would try that kinda thing without consulting their legal team before hand to ensure its ok. - enantiodromia, on 03/13/2009, -0/+8@ewingo401
IP please? - DomZy, on 03/12/2009, -0/+7From Clicks twitter:
"The answer to the second question is 'yes!' We would not put out a show like this one without having taken legal advice." - inactive, on 03/12/2009, -6/+13intent is irrelevant when you break the law..
- gyrfalcon, on 03/12/2009, -7/+14Because everyone knows Mac's are un-hackable....
- ultrafez, on 03/12/2009, -0/+7Just switch off the internet router. That's show 'em.
- brent218, on 03/12/2009, -3/+9if youve not been running linux lately then im not supprised that youve not noticed the changes that have been made,
you said
"Linux can earn the general 'PC' title when it can do everything Windows can including games"
id have a look at this www.linuxdna.com and/or this www.dreamlinux.com.br/
"a better Office,"
try open office its free and is more than capable
"include every application in the last 14 years to run and settle on some graphics standards"
theres plenty of well supported software have a look for what you want id put money on there being something to do what you need as for the graphical standards, tbh ive never had a problem getting it to run with just about any graphics cards, be they onboard chips in a laptop, or a netbook or any one of the dedicated cards, infact im going to rephrase that its worked graphically on everything ive ever tried it
saying that though i agree about it being the "user problems" i know a few people who have had a play with linux (mainly ubuntu) and as soon as the wifi doesnt work, or they cant access a shared folder "like normal" they throw a tantrum and ive stopped helping them, if they want to learn id show them but some people want you to do it for them and i doubt anyone in the linux community is going to want to do that for them, - DomZy, on 03/12/2009, -0/+6From their twitter:
"The answer to the second question is 'yes!' We would not put out a show like this one without having taken legal advice." - Cannonballkid, on 03/12/2009, -0/+6Top Gear ftw
- smehhs, on 03/13/2009, -0/+6I went back and read it again after seeing this comment. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to read a BBC article again without doing that.
- Frostek, on 03/12/2009, -1/+6In your face, Fox! :-D
- getoffmybridge, on 05/05/2009, -10/+15Mrs
will ya
make me tea
make love to me
put on the telly
to the BBC
to the BBC yeah yeah yeah
BBC 1! BBC 2! BBC 3! BBC 4! BBC 5! BBC 6! BBC 7! BBC heaven! - UNDERSTAR, on 03/13/2009, -0/+5Spy sapping my sentry!
- inactive, on 03/13/2009, -1/+5Does it also prevent you from crafting coherent sentences?
I'm not one to be "grammar nazi" or anything.. but come on. - DomZy, on 03/12/2009, -0/+4From Clicks twitter:
"The answer to the second question is 'yes!' We would not put out a show like this one without having taken legal advice." - Falldog, on 03/12/2009, -1/+5Because the BBC is a news organization is doing a story and TJMaxx is a company who can fire pretty much whoever they want even if he's just trying to help.
- inactive, on 03/13/2009, -0/+4I just read your comment with John Oliver's voice and now everything I read sounds like him.
- inactive, on 03/13/2009, -0/+4
Dugg, not just for the BBC opening the average users eyes... but the very first comment following the article. Really, go back and read it.... - MaverickAlex, on 03/12/2009, -11/+15The only unhackable windows machine is one that isn't connected to the internet.
- Frostek, on 03/12/2009, -0/+4I really doubt it was the Gestapo...
- 1stewart, on 03/13/2009, -0/+3that whole part of the legal system regarding 'intent being relevant when you break the law' also seems to disagree:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea - MattBD, on 03/12/2009, -0/+3Check out Hacking: The Art of Exploitation by No Starch Press:
http://nostarch.com/hacking2.htm
That might be a good place to start. I have a copy but haven't gotten round to working through it yet. - Totz83, on 03/12/2009, -0/+3That argument Sir, is preposterous!
- Rekutyn, on 03/12/2009, -3/+6I want to expand on Corey's statement:
Hackers would be much more apt to try and break into *NIX machines if it were easy/possible to do so. Consider that most servers on the internet run *NIX. Further, consider that these servers are wired up to substantial connections and have access to far more profitable data than an individual desktop PC (i.e. credit card processing servers).
The simple fact of the matter is that Windows does not have acceptable security practices in place, thereby welcoming in such attacks.
If BSD had 90% of the market share, I can assure you that its intrusion rate would still be vastly lower than Windows XP/Vista. Mac OS X Server is much the same. I can't speak for Linux, since it doesn't have the same level of hardening as the UNIX derivatives--given that they've been in continuous development that you can track all the way back to the 60's.
As always, the weakest link is going to be the worst-written application on your system. But, with a hardened OS, you can be fairly confident that the core OS won't be the attack vector. -
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