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- inactive, on 10/24/2008, -2/+93Australia is dangerously going the way of China...
- protogenxl, on 10/24/2008, -2/+80"Hey China, Little Help?"
-Stephen Conroy - inactive, on 10/25/2008, -0/+65Our government needs to move away from it's 1960s values and stop treating everyone like people who'll get offended by seeing the word '*****'.
- jako91, on 10/24/2008, -3/+54The whole plain is a joke, the filtering doesn't work and nobody wants it.
The government is just to scared to pull the plug on the project because they mite seem "against family values" - Atomic1fire, on 10/25/2008, -0/+45Why cant they just make tax credits for the families that want to buy filtering software for their children, or give tax incentives to ISP's that make filtering easily available to those who want it. Seems like a better idea to me, gives people freedom of choice while being pro family at the same time.
- knucklebusted, on 10/24/2008, -1/+36Filtering is a joke. There will always be ways around filters. Just ask the filtering companies.
- Brododium, on 10/25/2008, -0/+34http://nocleanfeed.com/
Australians, do your bit!
Online Petition: http://petitions.takingitglobal.org/oznetcensorshi ...
Donate to Electronic Frontiers Australia: http://www.efa.org.au/support/donations/
Contact Minister Conroy:
(03) 9650 1188
Senator Stephen Conroy
Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy
Level 4, 4 Treasury Place
Melbourne Vic 3002
(All information lifted from the first URL) - positron, on 10/25/2008, -0/+25They have good network penetration and infrastructure but expense and usage limits nullify that advantage.
- zarvensha, on 10/24/2008, -3/+27Please don't tell that our genius plan is not only going to block more than we want to but also cripple the Internet in Australia.
Just let us do what we want without question OK?
How about we all get scared about things our kids could see on the Internet, overreact and shut down our online lives as we know it?
Parents.
The last people in the world who should take responsibility for their kids.
I mean, if we leave it to government to raise our kids I'm sure they can do a good job, look at our Health and Education systems, aren't they in good condition? - treelovinhippie, on 10/25/2008, -0/+24So ***** shady. If they do go ahead with this, I've got a 3 month break from university starting in the next few weeks... anyone up for a tent-city protest on Parliament House? I'm seriously considering just getting a bunch of people together, setting up a wifi connection and pitching tents outside Parliament House... then staying there until they ditch this *****.
What's worse is the entire mainstream media in Australia (all of 5 measly TV channels) and most national newspapers are NOT REPORTING ON THIS CENSORSHIP PLAN. - 40yrOldVirgin, on 10/25/2008, -0/+20They already give free filtering software, which was developed by the previous government.
- dvdrat, on 10/25/2008, -1/+20This is a step closer to China, and we are going to be the closest country to China if this bullcrap goes ahead.
I am a Parent and i would NEVER be gullible enough to put the Govt. in control of my children. Next they will be asking our 'saved' kids to be the test for a 'chip' to help with terrorism.
Filtering will help our children? I don't think so, Who says we need to make ALL adult Aussies view G rated material just because of the kids... what a joke! - Murdats, on 10/25/2008, -0/+17yeah we have already spent a couple million on making software available for free, this is a mandatory nation wide filter, like a firewall, like a great firewall, kinda like that great wall in china.
- freefallgrue, on 10/25/2008, -0/+16***** censorship.
First of all, we need a Bill of Rights.
Second, we need people willing to protect it. - murty, on 10/25/2008, -0/+16This is (arguably) the most reliable ISP in australia and their lowest broadband pricing: http://www.internode.on.net/residential/internet/h ...
To get anything sort of decent we are looking at this: http://www.internode.on.net/residential/internet/h ...
See what we have to put up with america! - benjaxez, on 10/25/2008, -0/+15This is ***** ridiculous seriously, I know I can get around the filter, but the whole idea of them spending millions and millions of tax money that everyone works hard for, In this ridiculous scheme that isn't going to be successful....
- jako91, on 10/25/2008, -0/+14lol yeah but that's way to logical for the government to implement
- Erectile, on 10/25/2008, -0/+14***** the ALP!
And the RIAA, for good measure. - jako91, on 10/25/2008, -1/+15I'm for the protest
- spyd3rweb, on 10/25/2008, -1/+15More like staying there until they remove you.
- copypastry, on 10/25/2008, -4/+17Hey Choina, Little Hilp?
- frieddonuts, on 10/25/2008, -0/+12I had no idea that Australia was some kind of moralist state.
- spyd3rweb, on 10/25/2008, -1/+12We have one here in the US, but people are too apathetic or are too brainwashed to protect it.
- PhilMoskowitz, on 10/25/2008, -0/+11Why the hell a western democracy would willingly make itself an outcast is beyond me.
- halohunter, on 10/25/2008, -0/+11Here's what happened shortly after Conroys office sent the email to the IIA:
"The newly appointed shadow broadband minister, Senator Nick Minchin, has voiced his appall that a member of Senator Conroy’s office had tried to curb severely critical comments made by Internode network engineer Mark Newton regarding the government’s Internet content filtering scheme...
... “I am appalled that a member of Senator Conroy’s staff is apparently trying to bully the IIA over this matter,” Minchin told Computerworld.
“That association is perfectly entitled to express its views and indeed it is very important that the public and the parliament understand the views of the IIA on this matter, and they shouldn’t be bullied by Senator Conroy or his staff. It is absolutely out of line and Senator Conroy should discipline that staff member,” the shadow minister for broadband said.
Minchin said Newton was in fact a constituent of his in South Australia and had written to him with concerns regarding the content filtering scheme. Minchin responded at the time that the opposition was “certainly not” committed to supporting the scheme in parliament. "
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;87930 ... - emotecontrol, on 10/25/2008, -0/+11Seriously, I have never heard of the Australian government doing anything praiseworthy. What the hell is it with you guys? You keep electing crackpots and wingnuts. Couldn't you vote for someone who doesn't have a Master Plan for Fixing Australia For Good?
- bjornski, on 10/25/2008, -0/+11You say that as if Americans don't have the same choice.
- Zootex, on 10/25/2008, -0/+10When your only choice is between an ***** or a ***** it makes things a tad bit difficult.
- Matt88, on 10/25/2008, -1/+11TPG are one of the most complained about ISPs in Australia. The thing is - you get what you pay for.
- dilpil1, on 10/25/2008, -2/+11To the governments of the world who think they can outsmart the hackers of the world and censor the internet, bring it on.
- mattydee123, on 10/25/2008, -1/+10for everyone outside Aus, these are very cheep internet prices - http://tpg.com.au/products_services/adsl2plus_pric ...
- mickstephenson, on 10/25/2008, -1/+10I think I know where the next Tiananmen Square is gonna be.
- ThermiteTerrace, on 10/25/2008, -0/+8I wonder how long it will take Anonymous to take the whole thing down via spammed images of goatse.
- Culyt, on 10/25/2008, -0/+8That's because its not in place.
Actually you will probably still be able to get porn easily after its in place since the filter will be useless leaving p2p networks and such open.
But it will cost close to $200mil, will slow down the entire internet, will give parents a false sense of safety in regards to their children on the internet (The filter won't stop pedos email or chatting to them, convincing them to meet or take photos). Won't stop pedos from accessing the material (Its not like they go to kiddyporn.com, and if they did it would make it easy to catch them which would be a good thing, instead it will involve data dumps over encrypted networks like Tor and Freenet. Think that is a picture of a kitten your seeing, it could contain an encrypted rar or stenography hidden image).
☢ - keithloughnane, on 10/25/2008, -1/+9Any this is why NO government should be allowed to censor the internet.
- frieddonuts, on 10/25/2008, -0/+8See: ACLU, NAACP, EFF, gun rights groups.
Most intelligent people still realize the importance of civil rights. - migshark, on 10/25/2008, -0/+8Because they still want to block child porn and sites which, and I quote: "-should not be looked at at all, there is no socially constructive outcome from looking at these sites" --Pertaining to terrorism.
- inactive, on 10/25/2008, -0/+7I repeat,
Best Internet Filter: Accept * - MrChunks, on 10/25/2008, -1/+8The story is about Australia, not New Zealand.
- Pyroteq, on 10/25/2008, -0/+7"On Tuesday, a policy advisor for Senator Conroy, Belinda Dennett, wrote an email to Internet Industry Association (IIA) board member Carolyn Dalton in an attempt to pressure Newton into reining in his dissent."
Do your bit fellow Aussies, call this ass hole and flood his email.
Contact details:
minister@dbcde.gov.au
Parliamentary office
Suite MG70
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
Tel: 02 6277 7480
Fax: 02 6273 4154
Ministerial office
Level 4, 4 Treasury Place
Melbourne Vic 3002
Tel: 03 9650 1188
Fax: 03 9650 3251
Electorate office
Suite 1B
494 High St
Epping Vic 3076
Tel: 03 9408 0190
Fax: 03 9408 0194 - zemkacz, on 10/25/2008, -0/+7If this happened in sweeden then the gov't would no longer be in power, they would just have been stormed by the citizens and actually DO SOMETHING.
Camon australia, DO SOMETHING, if you don't then what did you expect? - ORBAT, on 10/25/2008, -2/+9Yeah, no kidding. I always figured Aussies for an open-minded lot. You know, what with them being a former penal colony and all.
- halohunter, on 10/25/2008, -0/+7Bad idea. They'll spin it in such a way to say that all opposed to the filtering are pro-pedophila
- Skooma714, on 10/25/2008, -0/+6The UK will probably be next, they are the farthest along as far as the surveillance and database state is concerned.
The US will follow suit eventually. - PopcornDave, on 10/25/2008, -0/+6Because then they can't control what you can and can't see?
- Zootex, on 10/25/2008, -1/+7I sent a link of this story to Today Tonight's submit a story page. I know Today Tonight is a ***** joke as far as journalism goes but none the less, couldn't hurt and every little bit counts right?
- Wodle, on 10/25/2008, -0/+6NSFA....Not suitable for Australians
- Supergaxx, on 10/25/2008, -0/+6Dodo has the highest complaints per customer
Optus and Telstra/Bigpond are next
Then comes TPG and Primus and a few others.
I am with TPG, and at times there are issues, but generally, it is worth it to me. - inactive, on 10/25/2008, -0/+6Think of the poor 16 year olds who won't even be able to look at porn :(
- JAWS, on 10/26/2008, -0/+6I'd say it's worse. Honestly, for a country that calls itself a democracy, I'd be ***** furious. How are people allowing that ***** to happen? Write letters, march, impeach, anything. It's the damn sheep that say complain but say "I'll find a way around it" that are the problem. In fact, for doing ***** like that I'd actually leave the country if I lived there.
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